DUST Search - Hi CCP,Assault dropship is OP.Looking at this video

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

Hahaha I've been waiting for one of these threads. First of all this guy was shooting at them with their hardeners on, not something I would recommend. This guy also almost killed the incubus if he hasn't missed the last shot he would have got him.

Surely the fact he would have got him if the last shot hit proves that it was a good idea to shoot at the hardened DS?

Against an incubus maybe. Forge gun does bonus damage to armor. Hitting a python with its harderners up is pretty useless unless you want to knock him about which yes does rob him of a lot of his window, however you probably won't get the kill that way. Besides I just said i don't recommend it, if I was fighting an dropship I'd wait till I had my window.

Also I have no sympathy for mercs who shoot at me with assault rifles and expect anything other than being killed. I wouldn't have even seen these guys unless they open fire on me and show me where they are, I mean what did you expect? Pro tip, when you see an assault dropship run! Find cover! Don't try and be Rambo!

One point I can agree with is that the foeprge gun should get its charge time back. What do forge gunners think about that for balancing?

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Macchi00 LORD-BRITISH 31	Posted - 2013.12.25 15:48:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFoAJfZKL-4 I love ForgeGun.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 500	Posted - 2013.12.25 15:50:00 - [2] - Quote You're signature is I love forge guns no surprise, listen im a forger too, you gotta train you're aiming and use the assault or breach. *Assassination is my thing.*
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 291	Posted - 2013.12.25 15:50:00 - [3] - Quote yea no
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2259	Posted - 2013.12.25 15:59:00 - [4] - Quote You want to one hit kill dropships? Those pilots knew what they were doing and you forced them to retreat. Rumor has it that CCP is planning on bringing back WP for damaging vehicles and then you'll get credit for forcing a retreat. Overall, the engagements looked balanced to me. // Spike Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1635	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:23:00 - [5] - Quote I two shotted a hardened Python earlier with my Wiyrkomi Breach Forge Gun. He wasn't a rookie either- I could tell by the way he was attempting to speed away, the turning, the twisting. Made me feel good shooting it down. I normally get the boring pilots that don't even attempt to evade (which makes me feel bad). Dropships are pretty weak. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara The Traitor, in the name of "freedom".
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 490	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:24:00 - [6] - Quote Hahaha I've been waiting for one of these threads. First of all this guy was shooting at them with their hardeners on, not something I would recommend. This guy also almost killed the incubus if he hasn't missed the last shot he would have got him. Dropships can still be destroyed, rather easily actually.
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 130	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:27:00 - [7] - Quote Hahaha funny. Fear my Minmatarian brothers.
Macchi00 LORD-BRITISH 31	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:41:00 - [8] - Quote I'll try to think again. Everyone, thank you for your valuable opinion. I love ForgeGun.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2003	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:52:00 - [9] - Quote how about you use a assault forgegun which does more damage? nublets and their forgeguns that can hold the carge. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1357	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:54:00 - [10] - Quote Macchi00 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFoAJfZKL-4 dafuq why is your game so smooth? Tank 514.

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1389	Posted - 2013.12.25 17:40:00 - [11] - Quote If that's op then my toes are op because they help me balance my entire body. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Zirzo Valcyn Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2013.12.25 17:59:00 - [12] - Quote 6/10 for the responses u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4247	Posted - 2013.12.25 18:00:00 - [13] - Quote Macchi00 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFoAJfZKL-4 >Watched video of brainless moron shooting a vehicle while its hardeners are on >Was not impressed Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 532	Posted - 2013.12.25 18:58:00 - [14] - Quote 1: Shield hardeners and a booster. Swarms aren't very effective against shields but still knock him around a lot (he went completely nose upwards at one point). He ran away, you won. Congrats. 2: You missed the kill shot. CCP did say that they will try to implement partial SP for chasing away vehicles. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 0; Other DS: 25; Tanks: 22 Gêå2 12/22
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:13:00 - [15] - Quote I just wish all forge gunners and rail tanks had your skill.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 960	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:16:00 - [16] - Quote Get a rail tank and pop him in 2/3 shots. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2361	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:18:00 - [17] - Quote The pilot had hardeners on genius. Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 391	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:20:00 - [18] - Quote Macchi00 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFoAJfZKL-4 You know those effects on the dropship means they've got they're hardeners up right? Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 209	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:31:00 - [19] - Quote Don't blame the derpship. Let me correct you, active modules are op (Still disagree), for they create "windows of opportunity." like tanks, you're better off waiting until modules get on cooldown... and if a pilot decides to run away before that happens... I call him smart... not op. intelligence is not op. strategy is not op.... get on our level. lol. so you cant shoot at derpships by simply pointing and shooting???? what, you need to actually use strategy? OMG!!!! brains must be overloading.... hahaha.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 521	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:38:00 - [20] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Macchi00 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFoAJfZKL-4 dafuq why is your game so smooth? Edit: Oh, I didn't notice the kill assist popup Did someone say... SMOOTH? *Assassination is my thing.*

gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4290	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:50:00 - [21] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Macchi00 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFoAJfZKL-4 dafuq why is your game so smooth? Edit: Oh, I didn't notice the kill assist popup Did someone say... SMOOTH? No, no one said smooth, you're not wanted here. and op, learning to aim might help you against us derpships, we're pretty fragile against forges. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 2889	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:54:00 - [22] - Quote Oh look, the pilot is really skilled. This must mean that the ads is op!!!!!! me goes fetch 35 videos of people going 67/0 with an assault rifle Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 164	Posted - 2013.12.25 20:56:00 - [23] - Quote As someone who's rocked both FGs and done a decent bit of dropship piloting this forge gun user is pretty damn good. He manages to hit 3/4 shots in a relatively low time frame for them on the last dropship. The first one is the same, plus it was getting hit by swarms. If anything the O.P. is probably more skilled than the pilot. Does that say anything about balance? No, nor do I intend it to. But simply jumping on the bandwagon of trying to knock down anyone who opposes dropships in here is a little much. This guy is a very talented forge gunner, it's pretty easy to see that. You guys can discuss balance all you want, but calling him a noob because he missed one shot at the end and telling him that he lacks aim and skill is just solid douchebaggery.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 264	Posted - 2013.12.25 21:14:00 - [24] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hahaha I've been waiting for one of these threads. First of all this guy was shooting at them with their hardeners on, not something I would recommend. This guy also almost killed the incubus if he hasn't missed the last shot he would have got him. Dropships can still be destroyed, rather easily actually. Actually it's always a good idea to shoot a ASD even with it's hardeners up . A shot to the front or the tail will knock him about throwing him off balance ... the more off balance he is the less he's able to aim and kill you .I've been able to make a DS crash into a tower with a well placed shot . Also for Forges at least it tends to stop any regen he might have gotten while you were not shooting at him . If he's hurt enough a high prof Forger can even pound through the harder and kill him unless he retreats . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2265	Posted - 2013.12.25 21:51:00 - [25] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Actually it's always a good idea to shoot a ASD even with it's hardeners up . A shot to the front or the tail will knock him about throwing him off balance ... the more off balance he is the less he's able to aim and kill you .I've been able to make a DS crash into a tower with a well placed shot . Half my deaths are due to towers and MCCs that I don't see when I'm retreating. // Spike Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Ryme Intrinseca 428	Posted - 2013.12.25 22:09:00 - [26] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hahaha I've been waiting for one of these threads. First of all this guy was shooting at them with their hardeners on, not something I would recommend. This guy also almost killed the incubus if he hasn't missed the last shot he would have got him. Surely the fact he would have got him if the last shot hit proves that it was a good idea to shoot at the hardened DS?
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1987	Posted - 2013.12.25 22:23:00 - [27] - Quote I watched the video and concluded that the OP was being sarcastic. He almost killed a Dropship with its resists up! Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 494	Posted - 2013.12.25 23:25:00 - [28] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hahaha I've been waiting for one of these threads. First of all this guy was shooting at them with their hardeners on, not something I would recommend. This guy also almost killed the incubus if he hasn't missed the last shot he would have got him. Surely the fact he would have got him if the last shot hit proves that it was a good idea to shoot at the hardened DS? Against an incubus maybe. Forge gun does bonus damage to armor. Hitting a python with its harderners up is pretty useless unless you want to knock him about which yes does rob him of a lot of his window, however you probably won't get the kill that way. Besides I just said i don't recommend it, if I was fighting an dropship I'd wait till I had my window. Also I have no sympathy for mercs who shoot at me with assault rifles and expect anything other than being killed. I wouldn't have even seen these guys unless they open fire on me and show me where they are, I mean what did you expect? Pro tip, when you see an assault dropship run! Find cover! Don't try and be Rambo! One point I can agree with is that the foeprge gun should get its charge time back. What do forge gunners think about that for balancing?
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 301	Posted - 2013.12.25 23:30:00 - [29] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hahaha I've been waiting for one of these threads. First of all this guy was shooting at them with their hardeners on, not something I would recommend. This guy also almost killed the incubus if he hasn't missed the last shot he would have got him. Surely the fact he would have got him if the last shot hit proves that it was a good idea to shoot at the hardened DS? Against an incubus maybe. Forge gun does bonus damage to armor. Hitting a python with its harderners up is pretty useless unless you want to knock him about which yes does rob him of a lot of his window, however you probably won't get the kill that way. Besides I just said i don't recommend it, if I was fighting an dropship I'd wait till I had my window. Also I have no sympathy for mercs who shoot at me with assault rifles and expect anything other than being killed. I wouldn't have even seen these guys unless they open fire on me and show me where they are, I mean what did you expect? Pro tip, when you see an assault dropship run! Find cover! Don't try and be Rambo! One point I can agree with is that the foeprge gun should get its charge time back. What do forge gunners think about that for balancing? At the very least they should light up like the fourth of July so I can at least see who's shooting me. The hit indicators are useless as I can see blaster rounds coming from one direction and the indicators are on some random side thats not being hit.
dogmanpig black market bank 88	Posted - 2013.12.25 23:30:00 - [30] - Quote lol the first one misses 3 shots and the second misses the killing blow. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 8 1/10 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"

Rusty Shallows 595	Posted - 2013.12.25 23:52:00 - [31] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: As someone who's rocked both FGs and done a decent bit of dropship piloting this forge gun user is pretty damn good. He manages to hit 3/4 shots in a relatively low time frame for them on the last dropship. The first one is the same, plus it was getting hit by swarms. If anything the O.P. is probably more skilled than the pilot. Does that say anything about balance? No, nor do I intend it to. But simply jumping on the bandwagon of trying to knock down anyone who opposes dropships in here is a little much. This guy is a very talented forge gunner, it's pretty easy to see that. You guys can discuss balance all you want, but calling him a noob because he missed one shot at the end and telling him that he lacks aim and skill is just solid douchebaggery. It's easier to be a bunch of degenerates rather than thoughtful human beings. I'm glad to see good survivability on a dropship. The amount of fire being tanked was a bit extreme, but not broken. Better to err on the side of too much tank since the alternative is so much worse. I wouldn't call foul unless someone gets away with casual hovering scooping up kills while taking infantry AV fire. Obviously no profession in Dust should be idiot proof. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Ryme Intrinseca 449	Posted - 2013.12.25 23:54:00 - [32] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hahaha I've been waiting for one of these threads. First of all this guy was shooting at them with their hardeners on, not something I would recommend. This guy also almost killed the incubus if he hasn't missed the last shot he would have got him. Surely the fact he would have got him if the last shot hit proves that it was a good idea to shoot at the hardened DS? Against an incubus maybe. Forge gun does bonus damage to armor. Hitting a python with its harderners up is pretty useless unless you want to knock him about which yes does rob him of a lot of his window, however you probably won't get the kill that way. Besides I just said i don't recommend it, if I was fighting an dropship I'd wait till I had my window. Well the problem is that AV never really has a window versus an average DS pilot. If you hit them with the hardener down, they put the hardener on before you can get the second shot off. As you say, versus a Python that means the window is already closed. This doesn't need any great skill on the DS pilot's part, just the commonsense to activate a module and stay away until after cooldown. I suppose you'll say that the solution is to have multiple forge guns, but if that's the only solution AV really is pointless. Much better to use something that can solo a dropship, like another dropship or a militia rail tank. It's a terrible misuse of resources to put two guys on a job one can do. Quote: One point I can agree with is that the foeprge gun should get its charge time back. What do forge gunners think about that for balancing? Every little helps I guess, not that I bother with FGs anymore.
Macchi00 LORD-BRITISH 35	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:15:00 - [33] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: As someone who's rocked both FGs and done a decent bit of dropship piloting this forge gun user is pretty damn good. He manages to hit 3/4 shots in a relatively low time frame for them on the last dropship. The first one is the same, plus it was getting hit by swarms. If anything the O.P. is probably more skilled than the pilot. Does that say anything about balance? No, nor do I intend it to. But simply jumping on the bandwagon of trying to knock down anyone who opposes dropships in here is a little much. This guy is a very talented forge gunner, it's pretty easy to see that. You guys can discuss balance all you want, but calling him a noob because he missed one shot at the end and telling him that he lacks aim and skill is just solid douchebaggery. Thank you. You're friendly clone. I love ForgeGun.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 204	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:30:00 - [34] - Quote AV versus Dropships: Swarms: - Hardener up, little damage and doesn't cancel shield regen. - Hardener down, plentiful damage. Forge Guns: - Hardener up, decent damage, cancels shield regen. - Hardener down, loads of damage. Large Blasters: - Hardener up, ok damage, cancels regen (I think.) - Hardener down, lots of damage. Large Missile: - Hardener up, decent damage (for an explosive) not sure about regen. - Hardener down, good damage. Large Railgun: - Death. - Death. - Death... One of the biggest factors for Dropships is the impact effects of AV. Forge Guns, Railguns, Missiles, Swarms...all of them can knock a Dropship for six, even if they're paying attention and the main way to recover your balance is to retreat and return: which is not only reducing how much firepower/covering fire you're giving, but it's also reducing the Hardener window. If/When (hopefully when) CCP introduces WP for damage dealt to vehicles, AV will be a lot less hurting (since they'll actually get some reward for driving vehicles away.)
Heals Vaginas lcritMYpantS 73	Posted - 2013.12.26 13:40:00 - [35] - Quote The problem in your video is not the strength of the dropship, You decided to use something that requires SP to beat them, this is a no no. Try a sica with 2 damage mods. minimal ISK, zero SP required.
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Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7100	Posted - 2013.12.26 14:11:00 - [37] - Quote Macchi00 wrote: I'll try to think again. Everyone, thank you for your valuable opinion. +1 for not raging at people disagreeing with you and instead reconsidering. Very respectable on the internet. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance 30	Posted - 2013.12.26 15:11:00 - [38] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: Don't blame the derpship. Let me correct you, active modules are op (Still disagree), for they create "windows of opportunity." like tanks, you're better off waiting until modules get on cooldown... and if a pilot decides to run away before that happens... I call him smart... not op. intelligence is not op. strategy is not op.... get on our level. lol. so you cant shoot at derpships by simply pointing and shooting???? what, you need to actually use strategy? OMG!!!! brains must be overloading.... hahaha. Unless... The pilot/driver has the skills to perma-harden with dual hardeners that is... Like I do
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 211	Posted - 2013.12.26 23:03:00 - [39] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Sir Snugglz wrote: Don't blame the derpship. Let me correct you, active modules are op (Still disagree), for they create "windows of opportunity." like tanks, you're better off waiting until modules get on cooldown... and if a pilot decides to run away before that happens... I call him smart... not op. intelligence is not op. strategy is not op.... get on our level. lol. so you cant shoot at derpships by simply pointing and shooting???? what, you need to actually use strategy? OMG!!!! brains must be overloading.... hahaha. Unless... The pilot/driver has the skills to perma-harden with dual hardeners that is... Like I do I was going to add to that. It is possible to activate more than 1 hardener at the same time. When I get hit once I activate 2 hardener... 3rd too if on cooldown.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1848	Posted - 2013.12.26 23:08:00 - [40] - Quote Macchi00 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFoAJfZKL-4 I am British, your corp name coupled with this filth is insulting lol. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.



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