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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2013.12.25 23:52:00 -
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Ander Thedas wrote:As someone who's rocked both FGs and done a decent bit of dropship piloting this forge gun user is pretty damn good. He manages to hit 3/4 shots in a relatively low time frame for them on the last dropship. The first one is the same, plus it was getting hit by swarms. If anything the O.P. is probably more skilled than the pilot. Does that say anything about balance? No, nor do I intend it to. But simply jumping on the bandwagon of trying to knock down anyone who opposes dropships in here is a little much. This guy is a very talented forge gunner, it's pretty easy to see that. You guys can discuss balance all you want, but calling him a noob because he missed one shot at the end and telling him that he lacks aim and skill is just solid douchebaggery.
It's easier to be a bunch of degenerates rather than thoughtful human beings.
I'm glad to see good survivability on a dropship. The amount of fire being tanked was a bit extreme, but not broken. Better to err on the side of too much tank since the alternative is so much worse. I wouldn't call foul unless someone gets away with casual hovering scooping up kills while taking infantry AV fire. Obviously no profession in Dust should be idiot proof.
MCC Lounge Lizard
Forums > Game
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Ryme Intrinseca
449
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Posted - 2013.12.25 23:54:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Hahaha I've been waiting for one of these threads. First of all this guy was shooting at them with their hardeners on, not something I would recommend. This guy also almost killed the incubus if he hasn't missed the last shot he would have got him. Surely the fact he would have got him if the last shot hit proves that it was a good idea to shoot at the hardened DS? Against an incubus maybe. Forge gun does bonus damage to armor. Hitting a python with its harderners up is pretty useless unless you want to knock him about which yes does rob him of a lot of his window, however you probably won't get the kill that way. Besides I just said i don't recommend it, if I was fighting an dropship I'd wait till I had my window.
Well the problem is that AV never really has a window versus an average DS pilot. If you hit them with the hardener down, they put the hardener on before you can get the second shot off. As you say, versus a Python that means the window is already closed. This doesn't need any great skill on the DS pilot's part, just the commonsense to activate a module and stay away until after cooldown.
I suppose you'll say that the solution is to have multiple forge guns, but if that's the only solution AV really is pointless. Much better to use something that can solo a dropship, like another dropship or a militia rail tank. It's a terrible misuse of resources to put two guys on a job one can do.
Quote:One point I can agree with is that the foeprge gun should get its charge time back. What do forge gunners think about that for balancing?
Every little helps I guess, not that I bother with FGs anymore. |
Macchi00
LORD-BRITISH
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Posted - 2013.12.26 13:15:00 -
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Ander Thedas wrote:As someone who's rocked both FGs and done a decent bit of dropship piloting this forge gun user is pretty damn good. He manages to hit 3/4 shots in a relatively low time frame for them on the last dropship. The first one is the same, plus it was getting hit by swarms. If anything the O.P. is probably more skilled than the pilot. Does that say anything about balance? No, nor do I intend it to. But simply jumping on the bandwagon of trying to knock down anyone who opposes dropships in here is a little much. This guy is a very talented forge gunner, it's pretty easy to see that. You guys can discuss balance all you want, but calling him a noob because he missed one shot at the end and telling him that he lacks aim and skill is just solid douchebaggery.
Thank you.
You're friendly clone.
I love ForgeGun.
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
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Posted - 2013.12.26 13:30:00 -
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AV versus Dropships:
Swarms:
- Hardener up, little damage and doesn't cancel shield regen.
- Hardener down, plentiful damage.
Forge Guns:
- Hardener up, decent damage, cancels shield regen.
- Hardener down, loads of damage.
Large Blasters:
- Hardener up, ok damage, cancels regen (I think.)
- Hardener down, lots of damage.
Large Missile:
- Hardener up, decent damage (for an explosive) not sure about regen.
- Hardener down, good damage.
Large Railgun:
- Death.
- Death.
- Death...
One of the biggest factors for Dropships is the impact effects of AV. Forge Guns, Railguns, Missiles, Swarms...all of them can knock a Dropship for six, even if they're paying attention and the main way to recover your balance is to retreat and return: which is not only reducing how much firepower/covering fire you're giving, but it's also reducing the Hardener window. If/When (hopefully when) CCP introduces WP for damage dealt to vehicles, AV will be a lot less hurting (since they'll actually get some reward for driving vehicles away.) |
Heals Vaginas
lcritMYpantS
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Posted - 2013.12.26 13:40:00 -
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The problem in your video is not the strength of the dropship, You decided to use something that requires SP to beat them, this is a no no.
Try a sica with 2 damage mods. minimal ISK, zero SP required. |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.26 13:42:00 -
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GǃIf you try to fail at something and fail is it a fail or a success?" -Draxus Prime
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2013.12.26 14:11:00 -
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Macchi00 wrote:I'll try to think again.
Everyone, thank you for your valuable opinion.
+1 for not raging at people disagreeing with you and instead reconsidering.
Very respectable on the internet.
Level 6 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Leonid Tybalt
DIOS EX.
General Tso's Alliance
30
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Posted - 2013.12.26 15:11:00 -
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Sir Snugglz wrote:Don't blame the derpship. Let me correct you, active modules are op (Still disagree), for they create "windows of opportunity." like tanks, you're better off waiting until modules get on cooldown... and if a pilot decides to run away before that happens... I call him smart... not op. intelligence is not op. strategy is not op.... get on our level.
lol. so you cant shoot at derpships by simply pointing and shooting???? what, you need to actually use strategy? OMG!!!! brains must be overloading.... hahaha.
Unless... The pilot/driver has the skills to perma-harden with dual hardeners that is... Like I do  |
Sir Snugglz
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.26 23:03:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Sir Snugglz wrote:Don't blame the derpship. Let me correct you, active modules are op (Still disagree), for they create "windows of opportunity." like tanks, you're better off waiting until modules get on cooldown... and if a pilot decides to run away before that happens... I call him smart... not op. intelligence is not op. strategy is not op.... get on our level.
lol. so you cant shoot at derpships by simply pointing and shooting???? what, you need to actually use strategy? OMG!!!! brains must be overloading.... hahaha. Unless... The pilot/driver has the skills to perma-harden with dual hardeners that is... Like I do
I was going to add to that. It is possible to activate more than 1 hardener at the same time. When I get hit once I activate 2 hardener... 3rd too if on cooldown. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1848
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Posted - 2013.12.26 23:08:00 -
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Macchi00 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFoAJfZKL-4
I am British, your corp name coupled with this filth is insulting lol.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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