DUST Search - Scouts and Scanning: The Truth

Sana Rayya wrote:

The below facts have been tested/verified by me using two PS3s in Oceania.

1. Scouts inherently beat Advanced and Basic scanners by nature of their suit bonus (avoids 36dB and higher).

2. To beat 28dB proto scanners, scouts need Dampening Lvl 3 and a single basic or militia dampener. I previously thought it was Lvl 2 Dampening but it's really Lvl 3.

3. To beat the 15dB Duvolle Focused scanners, the Gallente proto scout must have Dampening Lvl 5 and four complex dampeners. Three complex and one enhanced won't do it. This is the only suit in the game that beats the Duvolle Focused.

4. In all of my tests, I received "No Margin of Error" upon scanning the scout no matter if he was illuminated (successfully scanned) or not. I was not able produce the "Some Margin of Error" message, leading me to believe that it was either taken out entirely or that the conditions to display it are so discriminative that it is very rarely seen.

So my advice to scouts:

Get dampening to 3 (202k SP).

Start your battles without dampeners. If you find that you are scanned, switch to a suit with a basic or militia dampener.

If you are scanned after that, either switch to a different class or take note of when you are scanned and count for 10 seconds; once ten seconds are up (the scan time and illumination time of Duvolle Focused scanners), you will likely fall off of the squad's radar (unless they have multiple Duvolle Focused scanners in the squad, which is rare).

If you still find yourself dying or suspect the enemy of using multiple Focused scanners, snipe :)

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Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 579	Posted - 2013.12.25 15:27:00 - [1] - Quote The below facts have been tested/verified by me using two PS3s in Oceania. 1. Scouts inherently beat Advanced and Basic scanners by nature of their suit bonus (avoids 36dB and higher). 2. To beat 28dB proto scanners, scouts need Dampening Lvl 3 and a single basic or militia dampener. I previously thought it was Lvl 2 Dampening but it's really Lvl 3. 3. To beat the 15dB Duvolle Focused scanners, the Gallente proto scout must have Dampening Lvl 5 and four complex dampeners. Three complex and one enhanced won't do it. This is the only suit in the game that beats the Duvolle Focused. 4. In all of my tests, I received "No Margin of Error" upon scanning the scout no matter if he was illuminated (successfully scanned) or not. I was not able produce the "Some Margin of Error" message, leading me to believe that it was either taken out entirely or that the conditions to display it are so discriminative that it is very rarely seen. So my advice to scouts: Get dampening to 3 (202k SP). Start your battles without dampeners. If you find that you are scanned, switch to a suit with a basic or militia dampener. If you are scanned after that, either switch to a different class or take note of when you are scanned and count for 10 seconds; once ten seconds are up (the scan time and illumination time of Duvolle Focused scanners), you will likely fall off of the squad's radar (unless they have multiple Duvolle Focused scanners in the squad, which is rare). If you still find yourself dying or suspect the enemy of using multiple Focused scanners, snipe :)
Mdog 24158 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:23:00 - [2] - Quote So i have to give up all my proto gal scout low slots just to scout..... Im guessing the minmater scout is screwed. Flying derpships and combat rifle destroyer fear me
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 788	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:26:00 - [3] - Quote Mdog 24158 wrote: So i have to give up all my proto gal scout low slots just to scout..... Im guessing the minmater scout is screwed. Needs to be an actual nerf to active scanners it seems...That or lowered profiles for all scouts or better dampeners... Actually better dampeners would probably work wonders. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1823	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:46:00 - [4] - Quote I think it's possible to beat it with 2 complex dampaners and max skills. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 9	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:47:00 - [5] - Quote What does the displayed massage say when you fail to scan someone? Like on my screen it says "scan attempt prevented", what does it say on their end? Does it still "tell them" that someone is hiding behind that rock over there? edit* was gonna fix massage to message but I like massages. "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 582	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:55:00 - [6] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I think it's possible to beat it with 2 complex dampaners and max skills. You would be wrong (if by "it" you meant the Duvolle Focused). If you're talking about 28dB scanners, 2 complex dampeners are overkill on a scout. For Medium suits, two complex dampeners and Lvl 5 dampening beats 28dB scanners, but not the Focused. As I said, it always says "No Margin of Error" regardless as to whether I succesfully lit up the scout or the scout went undetected.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 582	Posted - 2013.12.25 17:05:00 - [7] - Quote This thread was meant to show that scouts need comparatively little investment (202k SP, 1 slot at 18 or 15 CPU) to dodge all but the Duvolle Focused scanner, which is nearly impossible for anyone to avoid. In my experience, you'll run into this scanner in fewer than 1% of matches. I play A LOT, and have only be scanned once or twice by the Duvolle Focused (coincidentally one of those times was by a pair of Nyain Sans, trading off with the Focused scanner). But yeah, since this scanner exists I suppose it means all scouts are automatically useless. That 1% really kills the class.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 756	Posted - 2013.12.25 17:21:00 - [8] - Quote Came expecting whine thread - left presently surprised at an intelligent, informative post +1.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 553	Posted - 2013.12.25 17:32:00 - [9] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: This thread was meant to show that scouts need comparatively little investment (202k SP, 1 slot at 18 or 15 CPU) to dodge all but the Duvolle Focused scanner, which is nearly impossible for anyone to avoid. In my experience, you'll run into this scanner in fewer than 1% of matches. I play A LOT, and have only be scanned once or twice by the Duvolle Focused (coincidentally one of those times was by a pair of Nyain Sans, trading off with the Focused scanner). But yeah, since this scanner exists I suppose it means all scouts are automatically useless. That 1% really kills the class. What level scout? or base light suit.
Tectonic Fusion 803	Posted - 2013.12.25 17:37:00 - [10] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: This thread was meant to show that scouts need comparatively little investment (202k SP, 1 slot at 18 or 15 CPU) to dodge all but the Duvolle Focused scanner, which is nearly impossible for anyone to avoid. In my experience, you'll run into this scanner in fewer than 1% of matches. I play A LOT, and have only be scanned once or twice by the Duvolle Focused (coincidentally one of those times was by a pair of Nyain Sans, trading off with the Focused scanner). But yeah, since this scanner exists I suppose it means all scouts are automatically useless. That 1% really kills the class. What level scout? or base light suit. Prototype gal scout Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 396	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:04:00 - [11] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: The below facts have been tested/verified by me using two PS3s in Oceania. 1. Scouts inherently beat Advanced and Basic scanners by nature of their suit bonus (avoids 36dB and higher). 2. To beat 28dB proto scanners, scouts need Dampening Lvl 3 and a single basic or militia dampener. I previously thought it was Lvl 2 Dampening but it's really Lvl 3. 3. To beat the 15dB Duvolle Focused scanners, the Gallente proto scout must have Dampening Lvl 5 and four complex dampeners. Three complex and one enhanced won't do it. This is the only suit in the game that beats the Duvolle Focused. 4. In all of my tests, I received "No Margin of Error" upon scanning the scout no matter if he was illuminated (successfully scanned) or not. I was not able produce the "Some Margin of Error" message, leading me to believe that it was either taken out entirely or that the conditions to display it are so discriminative that it is very rarely seen. So my advice to scouts: Get dampening to 3 (202k SP). Start your battles without dampeners. If you find that you are scanned, switch to a suit with a basic or militia dampener. If you are scanned after that, either switch to a different class or take note of when you are scanned and count for 10 seconds; once ten seconds are up (the scan time and illumination time of Duvolle Focused scanners), you will likely fall off of the squad's radar (unless they have multiple Duvolle Focused scanners in the squad, which is rare). If you still find yourself dying or suspect the enemy of using multiple Focused scanners, snipe :) Regarding point 4 I can assure you the message comes up as long as you catch a scout that beats your scanner. I get that message often enough when using a basic scanner...
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 532	Posted - 2013.12.25 19:06:00 - [12] - Quote I'd change the Focused scanner to 20dB, which, if I did my math right, would require a scout to have 2 complex dampeners on to dodge. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 0; Other DS: 25; Tanks: 22 Gêå2 12/22


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