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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.23 19:00:00 -
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The Gallente right now are enjoying victories rather effortlessly, allowing them to stockpile LPs and earn standings easy and fast. The Caldari, however, are lucky to have a few standing levels.
I was just recently kicked for "friendly-fire" when in fact I was doing my job as a missile Gunnlogi and destroying an enemy tank. I had just got to level 1 standings with Caldari (started the other day) and now my standings have almost been reset (16% towards level 1).
Now, it got me thinking, why not increase the payouts for the losing factions? It should allow players to be more equal in terms of standings and LPs, rather than having one player enjoying effortless wins and a stack of LPs while the other has to grind for one LP store item.
Increasing rewards should provide incentives for the good players to join the losing faction and help to reclaim districts and systems from the other faction. I'm thinking of at least a 2x multiplier if a faction has no control over any system. I think that should be a nice reward for winning against the odds.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Kilo Shells
G.L.O.R.Y
Public Disorder.
17
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:58:00 -
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I was thinking along similar lines. I played against a full team of caldari today in my last Cal FW.... Most seem to take the easy road even if it yields useless rewards.
Caldari Assault
My 2 cents on Grenades
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
772
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Posted - 2013.12.25 04:48:00 -
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Then again, Suicide and Sabotage squads are going to enjoy this buff for doing their job and losing a match.
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
955
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Posted - 2013.12.25 05:13:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Then again, Suicide and Sabotage squads are going to enjoy this buff for doing their job and losing a match.
I don't understand how this will benefit them more, as the LP and standings rewards will be increased for winning as well while the faction has less than half of the conquerable systems.
I just want a system that makes time more worthwhile when fighting for the losing faction. Today I probably played 10 Caldari FW battles and won only one. Now I just need two more wins to get level one standings (because the friendly fire bug got me kicked and I lost level one standings).
It makes me irritated how Gallente are probably enjoying high standings levels with stockpiles of LPs while I earn a mediocre 65 LP per battle and zero standings. I've even started to ask myself why I continue to throw away my proto fit tanks at militia tanks on the Gallente side. I'll be much better off running around in my BPO dropsuit that can't do anything useful because the match results will be the same, regardless if I pop five militia tanks or not.
I also somewhat wish LP rewards are based on WPs gained in the battle. Otherwise I could just AFK in the MCC and hope I can get in on some lucky wins (which I will do my best not to do, but losing battle after battle is a morale crusher)
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Kilo Shells
G.L.O.R.Y
Public Disorder.
17
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Posted - 2013.12.25 05:19:00 -
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You can see how this could be seen as biased right?
Caldari Assault
My 2 cents on Grenades
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
955
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Posted - 2013.12.25 13:18:00 -
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Kilo Shells wrote:You can see how this could be seen as biased right?
The only bias I see here is that I'm in full support for something like this to be implemented.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
326
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Posted - 2013.12.25 20:18:00 -
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Hint hint I think shields are u.p.
"May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
317
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Posted - 2013.12.25 21:36:00 -
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I only play Cal FW and it's an absolute joke. I feel like smashing a hole in my TV half the time when I see the blue's on my team. But despite this, I wouldn't want to see the incentive to win disappear.
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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alias lycan
Federated Consultants PMC
Lokun Listamenn
1
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Posted - 2013.12.25 21:50:00 -
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I think the losing side should gain at least half of the standings they would get if they won it takes dedication to constantly fight for a losing team like the caldari why not reward them for their commitment |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
956
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Posted - 2013.12.25 22:03:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:I only play Cal FW and it's an absolute joke. I feel like smashing a hole in my TV half the time when I see the blue's on my team. But despite this, I wouldn't want to see the incentive to win disappear.
Your incentive to win will still be there. Increasing rewards won't change it. Sure, you may earn 130 LP now for loosing, but you will earn almost 700 LP for winning! Your incentive to win will still be there, why would you turn down 700 LP per match for winning?
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
6953
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Posted - 2013.12.25 23:24:00 -
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LP payout is debatable, standings are a must.
Level 6 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
225
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Posted - 2013.12.25 23:32:00 -
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Factional warfare isn't properly settled yet I don't think. There is a certain aspect of imbalance in the system, and certain minor tweaks should be made to counter the completely one sided war.
Best game with a Python:
33kills 1 death (1.6)
24kills 1 death (1.7)
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Stephen Seneca
State Patriots
Templis CALSF
33
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Posted - 2013.12.26 06:35:00 -
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Boys, boys, boys! Im at level , need like 500 more points for level 5... for Caldari FW!! Needless to say Ive smashed my head into multiple walls.. my ass feels like ground hamburger from all the spankings.
If I could get like +5 standing for a loss and a good blueberry squad.. I would be so thankful.. please Santa!
For the State!
Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh.
Rail Rifles. All. The. Way!
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Rodd of Nor
Nor Clan Combat Logistics
2
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Posted - 2013.12.26 21:32:00 -
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You've braved fire, pain, humiliation, and death you've sacrificed time, effort, resources, and yes even your life. All in the name of the (insert Faction name here)
You fight for our people even though the battle is a lost cause. You encounter many better equipped and supported foes on the field, yet you never give in you never back down.
You help and fight for our people with everything you have no matter the cost... but because we lost we don't think any better of you so shove off and don't waste our time....
Is it just me or does anyone else feel this way when they loose a FW battle? |
Stephen Seneca
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
35
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:36:00 -
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Yeah I feel the same way, its nasty out there. For the Caldari anyway. Most of the Gals must be enjoying a cake walk right now.
For the State!
Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh.
Rail Rifles. All. The. Way!
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Skullmiser Vulcansu
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:47:00 -
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I just joined a factional battle for the Gallente, and I killed someone on my team, then killed myself, then antagonized another player enough to kill me three times so that he would be banned, and I died eleven more times on purpose, and we still won the match.
We won by a lot.
I was disappointed. |
Stephen Seneca
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
36
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Posted - 2013.12.27 02:07:00 -
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Yeah Skullmiser.. ill never switch to the gallente side. I coulda been level 10 by now if I got standing for losses lol.
A little more compensation for a loss would be nice. Just to supplement me enough so I dont have to always run back to pubs.
For the State!
Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh.
Rail Rifles. All. The. Way!
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
598
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Posted - 2013.12.27 04:22:00 -
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-1, no thanks. It's harsh, but the alternative is 23/7 AFK leeching in FW.
"Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)"
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
966
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Posted - 2013.12.27 05:51:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:-1, no thanks. It's harsh, but the alternative is 23/7 AFK leeching in FW.
I must say though, that AFK'ing is the best option right now. I'm almost guaranteed a loss every match just by looking at who's on my team. I was able to win only one match today because my squad ended up with two Q-synced squads and we actually quite surprisingly (or not so surprisingly) redlined the Gallente. Our best effort with just our squad and random blueberries still had us losing by a few ticks on the MCC.
I got my +75 standings from the win, but then I later noticed that I lost those 75 standings and I've no idea why (probably because a blueberry ran his LAV into my Gunnlogi?). So basically I got no standings gains today. Great. I can't even get back to level 1 and I need two more wins.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
966
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Posted - 2013.12.27 05:55:00 -
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Rodd of Nor wrote:You've braved fire, pain, humiliation, and death you've sacrificed time, effort, resources, and yes even your life. All in the name of the (insert Faction name here)
You fight for our people even though the battle is a lost cause. You encounter many better equipped and supported foes on the field, yet you never give in you never back down.
You help and fight for our people with everything you have no matter the cost... but because we lost we don't think any better of you so shove off and don't waste our time....
Is it just me or does anyone else feel this way when they loose a FW battle?
I feel the same.
I'd imagine that the Caldari would be trying to bribe mercenaries to fight for them by giving generous amounts of LP and standings just for showing up to battle, regardless if it's won or lost. Do what it takes to make them push against the Gallente.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Stephen Seneca
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
38
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Posted - 2013.12.27 06:08:00 -
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Yeah. I suppose youre right sponk. We have bad players and newbs.. red liners.. griefers.. we dont need afk farmers added to the mix.
Just comes down to organizing a real squad and trying to compete.
For the State!
Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh.
Rail Rifles. All. The. Way!
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The-Errorist
Closed For Business
For All Mankind
430
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Posted - 2013.12.29 09:52:00 -
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Losing should give you a small standing increase for that faction. |
Kilo Shells
G.L.O.R.Y
Public Disorder.
18
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Posted - 2013.12.30 19:58:00 -
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You can kill people mcc camping. I've done it many times. You kill the guy walking into the wall then he quickly gets kicked.
Caldari Assault
My 2 cents on Grenades
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Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
37
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Posted - 2013.12.30 20:10:00 -
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Losing a FW should grant you +15 standing, which is the amount you lose with the enemy faction.
Unless you lose nothing (never found out), in which case a +5 or +10 would be more than enough.
If you're an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
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