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Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1185	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:05:00 - [1] - Quote If large rail gun projectiles had enough of an arc trajectory so that it makes redline rail sniping more of a challenge, which would hopefully draw out some of the rail noobs out of the redline. Long range rail tanking would require a bit more skill wih having to take into account charge up time, slight flight time, and slight arcing flight pattern. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1563	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:09:00 - [2] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: If large rail gun projectiles had enough of an arc trajectory so that it makes redline rail sniping more of a challenge, which would hopefully draw out some of the rail noobs out of the redline. Long range rail tanking would require a bit more skill wih having to take into account charge up time, slight flight time, and slight arcing flight pattern. Lol They slowed down the projectile speed. It's now more difficult to hit a moving target, especially at range. Dropships are the hardest to hit, for obvious reasons. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 895	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:10:00 - [3] - Quote So instead of aiming right at a target, I would need to aim a little above it? How much more skill do you think it takes to do that? Also it would probably break the lore as these guns are super powerful, and are actually capable of shooting star ships... hurr durr *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1563	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:13:00 - [4] - Quote Zekain K wrote: So instead of aiming right at a target, I would need to aim a little above it? How much more skill do you think it takes to do that? Also it would probably break the lore as these guns are super powerful, and are actually capable of shooting star ships... hurr durr I would imagine the railguns mounted on EVE ships to be considerably larger than what's on tanks. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 422	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:13:00 - [5] - Quote Zekain K wrote: So instead of aiming right at a target, I would need to aim a little above it? How much more skill do you think it takes to do that? Also it would probably break the lore as these guns are super powerful, and are actually capable of shooting star ships... hurr durr you want a lore breaker... how about a rail gun that cant shoot past 300m (looking at you FG) Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1563	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:23:00 - [6] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Zekain K wrote: So instead of aiming right at a target, I would need to aim a little above it? How much more skill do you think it takes to do that? Also it would probably break the lore as these guns are super powerful, and are actually capable of shooting star ships... hurr durr you want a lore breaker... how about a rail gun that cant shoot past 300m (looking at you FG) The forge is short, and doesn't have many coils to keep the slug accurate. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
jerrmy12 kahoalii Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 179	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:34:00 - [7] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Protocake JR wrote: If large rail gun projectiles had enough of an arc trajectory so that it makes redline rail sniping more of a challenge, which would hopefully draw out some of the rail noobs out of the redline. Long range rail tanking would require a bit more skill wih having to take into account charge up time, slight flight time, and slight arcing flight pattern. Lol They slowed down the projectile speed. It's now more difficult to hit a moving target, especially at range. Dropships are the hardest to hit, for obvious reasons. thats why i 2hk dropships from 400m+, riiiight recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 177	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:37:00 - [8] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Zekain K wrote: So instead of aiming right at a target, I would need to aim a little above it? How much more skill do you think it takes to do that? Also it would probably break the lore as these guns are super powerful, and are actually capable of shooting star ships... hurr durr you want a lore breaker... how about a rail gun that cant shoot past 300m (looking at you FG) The forge is short, and doesn't have many coils to keep the slug accurate. ...despite it being 100% accurate? The reticle is huge but if you stand still and crouch it will pass directly through the middle every time.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 929	Posted - 2013.12.23 09:03:00 - [9] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: If large rail gun projectiles had enough of an arc trajectory so that it makes redline rail sniping more of a challenge, which would hopefully draw out some of the rail noobs out of the redline. Long range rail tanking would require a bit more skill wih having to take into account charge up time, slight flight time, and slight arcing flight pattern. No and here's why. The rail turret is slow rotation without the skills. I'm hoping the Minmatar artillery projectile turret would be the arched traj turret when released. Rail tech is charged round so makes sense that it would hit straight. Although a tiny bit of arc in its effective range and some range reduction would be nice. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 930	Posted - 2013.12.23 09:15:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Zekain K wrote: So instead of aiming right at a target, I would need to aim a little above it? How much more skill do you think it takes to do that? Also it would probably break the lore as these guns are super powerful, and are actually capable of shooting star ships... hurr durr I would imagine the railguns mounted on EVE ships to be considerably larger than what's on tanks. Lol yeah! If that size turret were in EVE it'd be Tiny Tiny Railgun. Large, medium, smallGÇª tiny tiny. I think the drone turrets are bigger than these. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1564	Posted - 2013.12.23 09:17:00 - [11] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Protocake JR wrote: If large rail gun projectiles had enough of an arc trajectory so that it makes redline rail sniping more of a challenge, which would hopefully draw out some of the rail noobs out of the redline. Long range rail tanking would require a bit more skill wih having to take into account charge up time, slight flight time, and slight arcing flight pattern. Lol They slowed down the projectile speed. It's now more difficult to hit a moving target, especially at range. Dropships are the hardest to hit, for obvious reasons. thats why i 2hk dropships from 400m+, riiiight That's because you know how to use a rail. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1564	Posted - 2013.12.23 09:20:00 - [12] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: If large rail gun projectiles had enough of an arc trajectory so that it makes redline rail sniping more of a challenge, which would hopefully draw out some of the rail noobs out of the redline. Long range rail tanking would require a bit more skill wih having to take into account charge up time, slight flight time, and slight arcing flight pattern. Also, you're talking about a weapon system that has a huge range, something much further than WWII battleships that fired from the sea onto land targets. Over 23 nautical miles So no, for the ranges in this game, rail slugs should not suffer drop. Infantry cries for tank changes, and they don't like them. Tell them to use vehicles, they complain, and use cars anyway
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 856	Posted - 2013.12.23 10:03:00 - [13] - Quote Give it recoil and give it a randomized recentering so it doesn't go back to the exact same position like with the sniper rifle. Or cut it's range to that of a forge gun. Of course no tanker want's to have to be OUT of the redline to have to snipe across the map, poor babies, so we'll never see that. ^See that game balancing logic? It's called "LORE BE DAMNED!!!!" Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard! Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 515	Posted - 2013.12.23 10:07:00 - [14] - Quote Recoil (doesn't exactly recenter after firing) and considerable spread at 300m+ would solve everything i guess. To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 510	Posted - 2013.12.23 10:45:00 - [15] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Give it recoil and give it a randomized recentering so it doesn't go back to the exact same position like with the sniper rifle. Or cut it's range to that of a forge gun. Of course no tanker want's to have to be OUT of the redline to have to snipe across the map, poor babies, so we'll never see that. ^See that game balancing logic? It's called "LORE BE DAMNED!!!!" Can't look up far enough to hit a Dropship outside of the Redline......soooooooo no.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 862	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:33:00 - [16] - Quote Ninjanomyx wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Give it recoil and give it a randomized recentering so it doesn't go back to the exact same position like with the sniper rifle. Or cut it's range to that of a forge gun. Of course no tanker want's to have to be OUT of the redline to have to snipe across the map, poor babies, so we'll never see that. ^See that game balancing logic? It's called "LORE BE DAMNED!!!!" Can't look up far enough to hit a Dropship outside of the Redline......soooooooo no. Or you could be smart and increase the view angle when you cut the range. You know, if you're into that kinda thing. Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard! Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1784	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:38:00 - [17] - Quote Zekain K wrote: So instead of aiming right at a target, I would need to aim a little above it? How much more skill do you think it takes to do that? Also it would probably break the lore as these guns are super powerful, and are actually capable of shooting star ships... hurr durr You know that you need to lead the target right? And yes, I don't think that a projectile moving at mach 20 would arch much over 600 meters. Lack of content makes stuff broken... GÿåTank driverGÿå
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1785	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:41:00 - [18] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Give it recoil and give it a randomized recentering so it doesn't go back to the exact same position like with the sniper rifle. Or cut it's range to that of a forge gun. Of course no tanker want's to have to be OUT of the redline to have to snipe across the map, poor babies, so we'll never see that. ^See that game balancing logic? It's called "LORE BE DAMNED!!!!" ** you, I'm often in CQC with my rail. Only a hanful of twats redline railsnipe Seriously ppl, stop blaming the railgun for the ***** redline problems Lack of content makes stuff broken... GÿåTank driverGÿå
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2459	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:45:00 - [19] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Protocake JR wrote: If large rail gun projectiles had enough of an arc trajectory so that it makes redline rail sniping more of a challenge, which would hopefully draw out some of the rail noobs out of the redline. Long range rail tanking would require a bit more skill wih having to take into account charge up time, slight flight time, and slight arcing flight pattern. Lol They slowed down the projectile speed. It's now more difficult to hit a moving target, especially at range. Dropships are the hardest to hit, for obvious reasons. thats why i 2hk dropships from 400m+, riiiight That's because you know how to use a rail. It's not even difficult. If you have problems aiming with a rail then you need some serious help. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
ladwar Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 1932	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:46:00 - [20] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Zekain K wrote: So instead of aiming right at a target, I would need to aim a little above it? How much more skill do you think it takes to do that? Also it would probably break the lore as these guns are super powerful, and are actually capable of shooting star ships... hurr durr you want a lore breaker... how about a rail gun that cant shoot past 300m (looking at you FG) The forge is short, and doesn't have many coils to keep the slug accurate. ...despite it being 100% accurate? The reticle is huge but if you stand still and crouch it will pass directly through the middle every time. lol, noobs. not even going to explain how wrong this all is. Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth not looking for a corp, don't ask.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9384	Posted - 2013.12.24 02:59:00 - [21] - Quote Or just stop rewarding redline play ::gasp:: YouTube Videos Incubus pilot, any ISK donated is used to purchase new ships
the shadow dragon Paladen Night's 0	Posted - 2013.12.28 01:06:00 - [22] - Quote The only way red line tanking stops is when CCP make the battle longer and the map bigger. Which CCP will never do until dust 514 is ported to the PS4.
Rusty Shallows 602	Posted - 2013.12.28 01:11:00 - [23] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Give it recoil and give it a randomized recentering so it doesn't go back to the exact same position like with the sniper rifle. Or cut it's range to that of a forge gun. Of course no tanker want's to have to be OUT of the redline to have to snipe across the map, poor babies, so we'll never see that. ^See that game balancing logic? It's called "LORE BE DAMNED!!!!" Pure freaking brilliance! If you ever run for CPM my vote is yours. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 416	Posted - 2013.12.28 01:25:00 - [24] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Zekain K wrote: So instead of aiming right at a target, I would need to aim a little above it? How much more skill do you think it takes to do that? Also it would probably break the lore as these guns are super powerful, and are actually capable of shooting star ships... hurr durr I would imagine the railguns mounted on EVE ships to be considerably larger than what's on tanks. Lol yeah! If that size turret were in EVE it'd be Tiny Tiny Railgun. Large, medium, smallGÇª tiny tiny. I think the drone turrets are bigger than these. Actually they're about the same size. 75mm is more than a reasonable estimate on the tank rail bore, and even that small turret can hit for full damage up to 3 kilometers and can ping you up to 6 kilometers.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 880	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:35:00 - [25] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Give it recoil and give it a randomized recentering so it doesn't go back to the exact same position like with the sniper rifle. Or cut it's range to that of a forge gun. Of course no tanker want's to have to be OUT of the redline to have to snipe across the map, poor babies, so we'll never see that. ^See that game balancing logic? It's called "LORE BE DAMNED!!!!" ** you, I'm often in CQC with my rail. Only a hanful of twats redline railsnipe Seriously ppl, stop blaming the railgun for the ***** redline problems This "handful" of yours has been around since closed beta and at least 30% of all tankers have done it at least occasionally for as long as rail sniping has been a thing. But the problem is that it's doable, not the number of those who do it, so the number of those who do it is irrelevant. If you CQC with it, then it's not really a problem for you, is it? So HTFU and quit whingin over something that, as you said yourself, doesn't really effect you. Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2052	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:37:00 - [26] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: If large rail gun projectiles had enough of an arc trajectory so that it makes redline rail sniping more of a challenge, which would hopefully draw out some of the rail noobs out of the redline. Long range rail tanking would require a bit more skill wih having to take into account charge up time, slight flight time, and slight arcing flight pattern. Add the same thing to redline snipers then Problem is tho is that the large railgun is alot more powerful so by the time the shell should arc due to gravity on these maps it would have already hit the target instantly Intelligence is OP
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 880	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:43:00 - [27] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Or just stop rewarding redline play ::gasp:: Agree with this, however it doesn't stop them from sitting just out of the redine (like the north hill @ C on Manus Peak) and doing the exact same thing. It's also obvious that we need a mercy rule in place for redline matches, they are bollocks for both sides. One side gets trashed and the other side is just wandering around hoping the redlined team tries to push so they have something to do. Ending matches like this after a few minutes would get everyone into the next match quicker and save newer and burned out players the hassle of sitting around waiting for these to end. We also need people to get points in the redline when the enemy holds all objectives. Apart from that though, there needs to be a timer after you spawn in the redline. If your team holds at least one objective, you can ony score points from in your redline for 30-45 seconds. After that, you are cut off until you respawn. Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero


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