We **** and moan at each other because we expect one another to do something that's not going to happen.

Meanwhile, the jacks of all trades like myself are the ones actually doing something other than catering to an ego. I almost had a (metaphorical) stroke earlier in FW because no one would push. Out of three factions (I stay out of Caldari), each and every team I was getting put one were spineless cowards. I can't push by myself anymore. There's too much ganging going on for me to do so. If my team is too afraid to go forward, I'll try to do what I can, but I can only do so much.

Meanwhile, as we few break our (metaphorical) back, we have the little ***** rolling around in HAVs, too afraid to get out of them to contribute to something more. "But you need a HAV to kill a HAV!" Bullshit. I can kill them with six R/Es, a PM (proximity mine) and a goddamn AR. I don't want to hear that ****. I'm tired of the cowardice and the excuses people are trying to make.

****!

Don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the game is meant to be played with players fulfilling different roles and different things. Nobody should do anything and contrary to popular belief, a squad of tankers will not win a game (that's not ambush) by themselves, and from experience just get themselves killed.

We're not meant to be going at eachother on the forums and drawing up a line between AV and Vehicles, or Scouts and Heavies, or Dropships vs Tanks etc, we're meant to work together and fulfill roles. Instead of coming to the forums and whining about a tank, how about you mail a tanker? Instead of coming on here whining about a dropship flying around, speak to an AVer or a Dropship pilot to help you out. Your team isn't coordinated and isn't winning? Make some friends with Infantry players.

Fact is we're meant to all help each other, not just infantry with infantry and vehicles with vehicles, I know it's easier to go with the people you know, I mean I do it, if I'm having trouble with tank spam, which some of us will find does happen, I ask a rail tanker to assist me, usually pegasis or lorhak, if I need Infantry because we're just not pushing, I'll find some friends.

Use the tankers to push or kill tanks, if you're working with a good tanker tell him what to do, chances are, if we're in a squad we're just trying to be helpful. If you've got AVers, ask them to position themselves somewhere with cover and to keep an area locked down. If you've got Infantry ask them to push a point and secure it.

Go with a mix, let's say a Dropship Pilot, a Tanker, a Forge Gunner, and three infantry, you've got a squad capable of pushing up and really laying into an enemy fine. Get the Tanker as a rail to guard against rail tanks, once he's in position get the dropship to put you on a high position near an objective, the forge stays the Infantry lay links and hit the objective, Dropship stays up as recon/distraction, tank switches to blaster and pushes with Infantry, Tank stays on point once clear and Infantry push up. If it's a struggle tank moves on and assists and then falls back to his point, Forge continuously moves up to support.

What a lovely game.

useless laser, useless nova knifes, useless shotgun, useless mk-0, useless md...........

meanwhile Kingdoms of Amalor 150 hours since patch 1.7 , The Last Of Us 55 hours since patch 1.7
played maybe two hours since patch 1.7 but there is no issue for tankers.....lol
playing Batman

Every post you mention these games, yet you are still on these forums xD

Don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the game is meant to be played with players fulfilling different roles and different things. Nobody should do anything and contrary to popular belief, a squad of tankers will not win a game (that's not ambush) by themselves, and from experience just get themselves killed.

We're not meant to be going at eachother on the forums and drawing up a line between AV and Vehicles, or Scouts and Heavies, or Dropships vs Tanks etc, we're meant to work together and fulfill roles. Instead of coming to the forums and whining about a tank, how about you mail a tanker? Instead of coming on here whining about a dropship flying around, speak to an AVer or a Dropship pilot to help you out. Your team isn't coordinated and isn't winning? Make some friends with Infantry players.

Fact is we're meant to all help each other, not just infantry with infantry and vehicles with vehicles, I know it's easier to go with the people you know, I mean I do it, if I'm having trouble with tank spam, which some of us will find does happen, I ask a rail tanker to assist me, usually pegasis or lorhak, if I need Infantry because we're just not pushing, I'll find some friends.

Use the tankers to push or kill tanks, if you're working with a good tanker tell him what to do, chances are, if we're in a squad we're just trying to be helpful. If you've got AVers, ask them to position themselves somewhere with cover and to keep an area locked down. If you've got Infantry ask them to push a point and secure it.

Go with a mix, let's say a Dropship Pilot, a Tanker, a Forge Gunner, and three infantry, you've got a squad capable of pushing up and really laying into an enemy fine. Get the Tanker as a rail to guard against rail tanks, once he's in position get the dropship to put you on a high position near an objective, the forge stays the Infantry lay links and hit the objective, Dropship stays up as recon/distraction, tank switches to blaster and pushes with Infantry, Tank stays on point once clear and Infantry push up. If it's a struggle tank moves on and assists and then falls back to his point, Forge continuously moves up to support.

What a lovely game.

We **** and moan at each other because we expect one another to do something that's not going to happen.

Meanwhile, the jacks of all trades like myself are the ones actually doing something other than catering to an ego. I almost had a (metaphorical) stroke earlier in FW because no one would push. Out of three factions (I stay out of Caldari), each and every team I was getting put one were spineless cowards. I can't push by myself anymore. There's too much ganging going on for me to do so. If my team is too afraid to go forward, I'll try to do what I can, but I can only do so much.

Meanwhile, as we few break our (metaphorical) back, we have the little ***** rolling around in HAVs, too afraid to get out of them to contribute to something more. "But you need a HAV to kill a HAV!" Bullshit. I can kill them with six R/Es, a PM (proximity mine) and a goddamn AR. I don't want to hear that ****. I'm tired of the cowardice and the excuses people are trying to make.

****!

Whilst I must agree the best game is a balanced game it's like 1% of games which I know is what you're here to protest.
But it just never works like that because it's like the stars aligning.


Everybody just wants to be superman and only play for themselves because that's what games are, living out a fantasy.
Somebody is always going to using an AR with a heavy and using a blaster on infantry makes you feel like you're
invincible or playing some sitting-duck-shooting-gallery section in campaign mode.

The best games are when there are tanks on the field, but fighting each other, with AV on either side. Snipers on each side
as opposed to only one. Logis, assaults and heavies on the frontlines working together.

And err...scouts... yeh in boring games I sometimes see one going around knifing but that's about it.
And hey, when was the shotgun a scout only weapon? I've had heavies and people in armour-heavy
suits come at me with one but they've never been able to kill me.

Remember, any other game, or an old-school multiplayer game with your friends? If you wanted to use the shotgun,
you used the shotgun. It should be the same in DUST. Maybe make: a light assault rifle for the scouts; different rounds
for the shotgun; scout-specific pistols and SMGs; the new pistol, perhaps scanners only being able to be used by scouts?
Since they would be recon in any other game, surely.

Although I'm sure further balancing and content can help people live out their roles.

I think really the whole locking a suit to a certain playstyle directly conflicts with being able to "play your own way" and also is
against what CCP want to do because let's face it, if you only want things to be role-specific (which I do as well)
you will literally have to make the suits only good at one role and completely useless at anything else.

That's the only way people won't use the suits differently, when and because they can't use them differently.

Which is a bit like forcing people to do things, although, logis shouldn't be better than heavies. There's always
the logi argument which I agree with because it's not a "logistics" class.

How about this

Ground Forces

Frontline

Assault
fast-moving but deadly in combination with the heavy due to combined stopping power.

Heavy

Support

Logistics
Remove some high and low slots, equipment and support should be the speciality

Scout
acts as recon, can use scanner, provides intel to team, hacking bonus, speed bonus, etc

Vehicular Support split up into 2 sections, ground forces and airborne forces.

Ground Support

Frontline

HAVs
can survive solo but heavily rely on logistics players for repairs, ammo.

MAVs, inexpensive, smaller tanks, more small turrets, slightly larger troop carrying capability
but a lot weaker. (it basically just adds another class in for the heck of it)

Support

LAVs (can re-supply tanks, carry logistics players to repair tanks)

Aerial Support

Frontline

HAAV (heavily armoured aerial vehicles, the tanks of the sky

AAU (aerial assault unit, a.k.a assault dropship, need to find a better acronym) used for short-medium length encounters, not too hard or easy to take down, used to support tanks in a front-line attack wherein the AAU acts to the HAV as a MAV does.

Support

RDV (remote deployment vehicle, unarmed or lightly armed aerial vehicles a.k.a dropship
for troop reinforcements, aerial precision scanning, warbarge support if a squad leader is present
it acts how the LAV does to a HAV.