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Divu Aakmin
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Posted - 2013.12.21 13:36:00 -
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Okay the topic is misleading... sort of. A wedge exists, i believe, in the wealthy and the middle class of Dust514. Wealthy players are on top of the leader board (isk). Less wealthy exist elsewhere. Top players get paid more in matches, wealthy corps takes more pc and gains more wealth. If we force our youngest and poorest player base into the worst equipment can we expect retention? They will count this game as p2w. The payouts could be better for the bottom 75% of the team. The market open to sell salvage... we need some isk making opportunities that dont require getting ground into hamburger using starter fits or sniping. Are there statistics that show corps like motanai japan, nyan san(sp?)AE income/ wealth vs. Total wealth of dust vs. Their own wealth. I am curious to see a wedge growing. PC mechanics vs reward are a bit broken imo. A corp on top stays on top.
So my request is a way to spread the wealth. Less payout for #1 and more payout for #16 and everthing in between relative to these standards. I don't want easy money... well i do. But the reason is for player retention. Also, AUR payout would spur more AUR purchase. As a guy with sales xp you put the product in the customers hands. This isnt done now. Not to mention bow many people dont buy on account of pride. You would get AUR buyers under the P2W radar... think about it. |
Divu Aakmin
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:12:00 -
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Just one mans opinion. If #15 #16 receive 40-70k and #1 and #2 receives 250k to 350k that is quite a bit lop sided. This isnt capitalism either. There is no open market. This is communist dystopia. Big brother needs to open his wallet. |
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Posted - 2013.12.21 16:06:00 -
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It is a bad thing. It doesnt attract a new player base... if i word of mouth sell this game to friends it's like this. "In the first month or two you will be beaten up pretty bad. After that it is a decent game..." that reveals a problem. I seriously cant belive you think AV players and new ppl deserve so little. I do fine in combat. No complaints there. I'm looking out for the new guy. Hardly comparable to eve where there are plenty of oportunities to pve income and enjoy the game. Not comparable at all really. |
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:40:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Divu Aakmin wrote:Hardly comparable to eve where there are plenty of oportunities to pve income and enjoy the game. That's right. Looks like you've found the real problem after all. There's no PvE! I've been saying this for months. Dust 514 needs PvE or new players won't be able to get adjusted. I'd go for that. I' m just thinking of all these brand new guys i get into pug squads that don' t know maps, weapons...etc. Lets face it , they are at a disadvantage several ways: resources, sp, equipment, experience vs. Player (when to run vs. Stand your ground or switch weap type) and map knowledge.
Resources, sp and equipment do overlap a bit, but not entirely (ehp,hps,dps skills.) Resources seem the easiest to affect.
I just put one idea out there. Any other ideas are welcome. I think we can at least agree on some of the above disadvantage. Some probably can't be helped. Others can be helped. Which ones and how? |
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:03:00 -
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Pure capitalism? No.. not even close. No diversified market, supply vs. demand, natural resources.... there is very little economic principal in this game at all. Well there is one, spend isk or aur and you will have an advantage. Undeniably true. That cannot be argued. If you need your isk crutch then disregard this thread. |
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:08:00 -
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Stephen Seneca wrote:New Eden is not typically the cuddly kind of socialist utopia where money grows on trees and no one works for it.
Personally, I look at this game as a challenge. The first few months of getting smacked around makes you a better player. Fighting for the Caldari makes you a better player. Learning how to survive without isk also makes you better with lesser gear.
So instead of collecting your food stamps and welfare cheques get out there and fight back.
Well the new players that don't agree with you won't reply... because they are playing battlefield4. The "welfare" title was an eyecatcher... 120+ views and i'd say it worked. |
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:11:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:So if I donate a million a year to some poor such would I be excluded from the ****?
I am not even sure wtf you are trying to say. Did you actually read anything above or did you just want lay down some insult? |
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:27:00 -
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.... you guys are dicks. Protostomping pub matches and 15mil sp ftw. You people are fkin stupid. |
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:57:00 -
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You didnt read other posts. We work with new players often. Editing angry post now. |
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Posted - 2013.12.21 23:16:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Divu Aakmin wrote:Pure capitalism? No.. not even close. No diversified market, supply vs. demand, natural resources.... there is very little economic principal in this game at all. It's true that there's almost no economy in Dust 514, the economy that IS there is totally capitalistic. Thus, it is purely capitalistic, because there are no opposing economic systems in it. No opposing economy...? That is part of capitalism. Players do not affect the market too much.
But that isnt this thread topic. New player experience/ disadvantage/ retention is the intention I doubt i am going to get much support because the ones who agree are playing something else. The try-hards are the typical forum warriors and are likely to overlook this as qq...
I run std, adv and proto. I don't need isk. Some do. If you enjoy a challenge then we can level the playing field. If you are sympathetic with those who earned their advantage, do you think 5%-10% less on a match will hurt? People have been complaining about new player xp and proto stomping since launch... nothing new here. |
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Posted - 2013.12.22 00:17:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Divu Aakmin wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Divu Aakmin wrote:Pure capitalism? No.. not even close. No diversified market, supply vs. demand, natural resources.... there is very little economic principal in this game at all. It's true that there's almost no economy in Dust 514, the economy that IS there is totally capitalistic. Thus, it is purely capitalistic, because there are no opposing economic systems in it. No opposing economy...? No, an economic system =/= an economy.
Capitalism is an economy controlled by private owners. CCP decides payout and price of goods. Dust is no where near capitalism.
Moving on...? New player experience is a gauntlet. Not a problem here. I'm not new. |
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Posted - 2013.12.22 00:30:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:New Eden is a hypercapitalistic dystopia. What do you expect? You don't know what capitalism is. |
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Posted - 2013.12.22 14:27:00 -
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Okay the people have spoken. Lets go grind up some newbs! |
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