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negative49er The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 423	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:15:00 - [1] - Quote I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove Dedicated Shotgun Scout
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 275	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:19:00 - [2] - Quote Even though i use it on my scout suit i agree that it should be removed from the game.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 744	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:20:00 - [3] - Quote Just being in a scout suit doesn't automatically mean that invisibility is your god given right - through on a damp or two, then we'll talk.
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3872	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:22:00 - [4] - Quote No, dont remove it. That would make the Scout bonus pointless. Lower Scout scan profile, so it can dodge everything but the Focused through passives, and make the cooldown of the scanner, double the time of the duration the targets are lit up for. DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:22:00 - [5] - Quote If you're in a scout suit, and a PRO one at that, all you need is a basic dampener and you won't be scanned again. That said though, I agree that something has to be done about the scanner.
abarkrishna WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:30:00 - [6] - Quote They see you let them come to you. Be good bait. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 2069	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:37:00 - [7] - Quote If you're a medium frame, get dampened. You have no right to whine, spend those damn 950.000 SP like I did and enjoy beating scanners. As for Scouts, different story. They need a lower base profile. Scouts are the only ones who can say something about scanners and the solution is just a lower profile, nothing complicated. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1194	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:40:00 - [8] - Quote this is what i have suggested. Basically a manual piloted drone that can send to your squad tacnet enemy positions. "Just another piece of duct tape" *Sciogli le trecce ai cavalli, ballano...*
calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1279	Posted - 2013.12.21 13:51:00 - [9] - Quote Refund all SP skilled into scanner, give ISK back on all bought scanners, and give us back passive radar and I would be very happy. The evil hidden in the name
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 592	Posted - 2013.12.21 14:22:00 - [10] - Quote Remove? No, that's my EWAR (Gal Scout). I'll need it to compete against other Scouts. Better option is to just change it to ehere it goes by scan precision. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1376	Posted - 2013.12.21 14:57:00 - [11] - Quote negative49er wrote: I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove You want the days back when passive scans were shared with the whole team then? Get yourself some profile dampeners.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 606	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:07:00 - [12] - Quote negative49er wrote: I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove same bro.. *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 606	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:08:00 - [13] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: negative49er wrote: I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove You want the days back when passive scans were shared with the whole team then? Get yourself some profile dampeners. when putting profile damps on a proto scout is necessary, you know the game is broken. *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 309	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:24:00 - [14] - Quote It just needs drawback. As of right now, you can scan for eternity without fear, able to see everyone without them able to see you. In military operations, real life active scanners are not used all the time because they give away your position via triangulation. Perhaps a similar mechanic could be implemented to dissuade people from locking on their scanners. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 69	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:28:00 - [15] - Quote It just needs a nerf! Or a counter (cloaking) I think I'm the only person still waiting for mechs/giant robot killing machines..... dangCCPyourslowpickupthepace
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 745	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:31:00 - [16] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: negative49er wrote: I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove You want the days back when passive scans were shared with the whole team then? Get yourself some profile dampeners. when putting profile damps on a proto scout is necessary, you know the game is broken. No, actually the opposite would be true. To reiterate, running proto doesn't mean you should auto-magically become invisible to all scanners. You should still have to think about your fits, prioritise what's most important stealth, speed or a little bit of tank - that is literally the entire effing point of the fitting system. That being said, proto scouts with no damps (but all passive damping skills maxed) should still only be scannable by proto scanners - any lower would be broken.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 541	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:33:00 - [17] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Just being in a scout suit doesn't automatically mean that invisibility is your god given right - throw on a damp or two, then we'll talk. Spot on. Skill into the passive profile reduction and use dampeners....works wonders.
Green Living Scions of Athra 1100	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:34:00 - [18] - Quote Yeah, I never get scanned in my scout suit with advance dampner.
Green Living Scions of Athra 1100	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:35:00 - [19] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: It just needs drawback. As of right now, you can scan for eternity without fear, able to see everyone without them able to see you. In military operations, real life active scanners are not used all the time because they give away your position via triangulation. Perhaps a similar mechanic could be implemented to dissuade people from locking on their scanners. There is a drawback, once you start the scan you cannot stop scanning. Therefore if you were to catch someone scanning it's an easy kill. I have been caught multiple times with my scanner out and got biomassed.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 541	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:38:00 - [20] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: It just needs drawback. As of right now, you can scan for eternity without fear, able to see everyone without them able to see you. In military operations, real life active scanners are not used all the time because they give away your position via triangulation. Perhaps a similar mechanic could be implemented to dissuade people from locking on their scanners. There are already effective counters....another scanner, killing the scanning red, ect. Not trolling here...but how many of you were griping about having near perfect situational awareness before active scanners were required? How many of you thought the scanner was awesome when you first tried it? Everybody else figured it out and now the scanner is as prevalent as hives, uplinks, and rep tools....which is fine.

Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 310	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:43:00 - [21] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: It just needs drawback. As of right now, you can scan for eternity without fear, able to see everyone without them able to see you. In military operations, real life active scanners are not used all the time because they give away your position via triangulation. Perhaps a similar mechanic could be implemented to dissuade people from locking on their scanners. There are already effective counters....another scanner, killing the scanning red, ect. Not trolling here...but how many of you were griping about having near perfect situational awareness before active scanners were required? How many of you thought the scanner was awesome when you first tried it? Everybody else figured it out and now the scanner is as prevalent as hives, uplinks, and rep tools....which is fine. Indeed - the scanner is a brilliant tool. It should stay a brilliant tool. But right now it's used as wall hacks for the entire team, and as the OP says, flanking becomes quite difficult. You're right however - dissuading people from using their scanners is not the way to go about it. It needs to be addressed in context in different situations of stealth. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 310	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:44:00 - [22] - Quote Green Living wrote: Jackof All-Trades wrote: It just needs drawback. As of right now, you can scan for eternity without fear, able to see everyone without them able to see you. In military operations, real life active scanners are not used all the time because they give away your position via triangulation. Perhaps a similar mechanic could be implemented to dissuade people from locking on their scanners. There is a drawback, once you start the scan you cannot stop scanning. Therefore if you were to catch someone scanning it's an easy kill. I have been caught multiple times with my scanner out and got biomassed. A few seconds of vulnerability does not equate to a drawback I'm afraid. I died once that way, then I learnt to be wary of corners whilst I scanned. I think you might just have been unlucky, but I'm not one to judge. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9280	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:44:00 - [23] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Just being in a scout suit doesn't automatically mean that invisibility is your god given right - throw on a damp or two, then we'll talk. Just using a scanner doesn't automatically mean that visibility is your god given right - throw on an active scanning mod or two, then we'll talk. Vids / O7
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 524	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:47:00 - [24] - Quote No more 360 scans. You have to hold it in the Scan radius for 1-2 seconds consistently to get the scanner to lock on those signatures. Either that or get rid of the active scanner and make it all about the passive scanning modules... Needs a re balance though as the skills favor vet's opposed to a balanced middle of the road all players aproach.
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 6	Posted - 2013.12.21 17:33:00 - [25] - Quote Hail Brother, I beat scanners frequently in my assault suit using a complex dampener. I unfortunately cannot sympathize with a scout that cannot stay off the radar. Perhaps some weapons and equipment tweaking is necessary. Possibly overly aggressive tactics are playing a role in your recent demise. Fighting fire with fire only makes both our houses burn down, fight fire with water. "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 90	Posted - 2013.12.21 17:59:00 - [26] - Quote The way i see it a moment of scanning should be like a brief pop up on positions instead its acting like a tracking satellite. After being 'scanned' how is it that you are tracked for the duration. Sure you should light up if your in the enemy 'line of sight' , however you light up on the enemy's hud no matter what you do or where you go ie "wall hack". IRL radar has to keep performing sweeps to 'update' the position of an object. If you sweep over it once you would know something is there and have a last known position but if the enemy is moving then information gets outdated. I think what makes a scanner OP is that it tracks you. That means unless you are dampened you would be tracked no matter where you go or what you do. You can't even peek around corners cause the enemy would see that you are at the corner and see exactly when you move to peek out. My suggestion is that you are only highlighted on the hud if the enemy has LoS on you, otherwise the radar should only show a last known position or last 'scanned' position. Therefore it is still a valuable tool to let you know where the enemy is but it can't be a 100 percent all seeing gods eye that it is now. Proto stompers easily win using this method, not many people can hide from it and those that can',t don't have anywhere to go or run. That is makes it frustrating, you really can't fight if the enemy knows exactly where you are at and doing at all times. Should it be a valuable tool yes,game breaking tool no, however the way it is doing now is kinda game breaking. It effectively throws out any type of meta game. Especially if the enemy employs proto scanners. Most suits even under max dampening couldn't hide to save its life. If the enemy used the proto focused then the only suit that could evade is a proto gallente scout. Trust in the Rust! 7-Time Matar Mass Driver World Champion Combat Rifle is for Combat!
J'Hiera Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 51	Posted - 2013.12.21 18:12:00 - [27] - Quote You do realize if you add a countereffect to the one doing the scanning, where he lights up or is triangulated, completely negates the purpose of using a scanner on the Scout? I guess it doesnt matter to YOU if you dont fit a scanner. Other scouts have gone below the Scanner radar through fitting. If you havent fit your suit for radar invisibility, thats your problem. I agree that scouts could use a buff, but one of their big things is invisibility to medium and heavy suits. The scanner is a counter to that. It takes up an equipment slot, it takes a lot of PG and CPU to fit (I have to scale down my medium suit) and you light up when you use it. The counter to the scanner is another scanner.
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 24	Posted - 2013.12.21 18:40:00 - [28] - Quote I can not.even comprehend that this is a discussion... remember the fully sync'd tac net where everyone could see everything? If you were talking to loudly or had background noise on your mic you would be shown on enemy tac net? Rember when a sniper could scope you and.you would light up to everyone? What next are you going to whinge about? Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast. I am hungry. Let's go eat!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 77	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:42:00 - [29] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Just being in a scout suit doesn't automatically mean that invisibility is your god given right - throw on a damp or two, then we'll talk. Are you stupid..?
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 544	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:56:00 - [30] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Just being in a scout suit doesn't automatically mean that invisibility is your god given right - throw on a damp or two, then we'll talk. Are you stupid..? No need for flames. I think his point is that the current counters to scanning (dampeners, and passive skills) are very underutilized.

Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 763	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:59:00 - [31] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Even though i use it on my scout suit i agree that it should be removed from the game. Removal is stupid and lazy. Fix the numbers and change the limitations or buff the dampeners. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 175	Posted - 2013.12.21 21:00:00 - [32] - Quote negative49er wrote: I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove Active scanners are one of the few equipment items in the game that actually have a counter. If you want to be stealthy you need to use dampeners. You'll have less EHP but if you're good at being stealthy you should never have to engage an enemy head on.
boba's fetta Operation Clone Shield 127	Posted - 2013.12.21 21:13:00 - [33] - Quote i have a single miltia damp on my scout suit. most scans fail.
Akdhar Saif Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 112	Posted - 2013.12.21 21:14:00 - [34] - Quote I used 24k SP on the basic scanner and now I feel dirty for using it in combat. The damn thing is super OP.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 77	Posted - 2013.12.21 21:34:00 - [35] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Just being in a scout suit doesn't automatically mean that invisibility is your god given right - throw on a damp or two, then we'll talk. Are you stupid..? No need for flames. I think his point is that the current counters to scanning (dampeners, and passive skills) are very underutilized. Don't think so the flames are already there anyways.
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 967	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:59:00 - [36] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: negative49er wrote: I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove You want the days back when passive scans were shared with the whole team then? Get yourself some profile dampeners. when putting profile damps on a proto scout is necessary, you know the game is broken. What you said makes absolutely no sense. Dampeners and active scanners are each other's enemies. You can't beat one without the other. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven 515	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:01:00 - [37] - Quote negative49er wrote: I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove It's called 1 complex profile damper on your scout suit. that's it. Nothing but the one proto scanner can get you (Forgot the name, but no one uses it). And if you put two complex profile dampers. Not even that proto scanner will find you. You'll be completely invisible. Stop being a noob and get with the program. Newb
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven 515	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:03:00 - [38] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: negative49er wrote: I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove You want the days back when passive scans were shared with the whole team then? Get yourself some profile dampeners. when putting profile damps on a proto scout is necessary, you know the game is broken. What you said makes absolutely no sense. Dampeners and active scanners are each other's enemies. You can't beat one without the other. Exactly what he said. It's working as intended. You can't have one thing without a counter to it. Active scanner find people. Profile Dampners hide people. Multiple Dampners trump scanners. Newb
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3429	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:03:00 - [39] - Quote negative49er wrote: I can't flank, i can't stealth, or i can't even scout and to top it all off i'm in my proto scout suit. Active scanner need to be replace, tone down, or remove Killing the game for EVERYONE that tries to play strategically and not HP+Damage Stacking.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3429	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:06:00 - [40] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Just being in a scout suit doesn't automatically mean that invisibility is your god given right - throw on a damp or two, then we'll talk. You need 4 Complex dampeners in order to avoid all scanners.On a Scout with all Passives at 5. Thats 3.5 MILLION SP (OR MORE) that cant beat a 1million SP or less Active scanner. This is stupid. And so are you if you think this is balanced. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446



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