DUST Search - Good job with the combat rifle CCP

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

that pressing the trigger 6.6 times a second is inbetween each burst, to achieve a full auto variant, to do that right is basically impossible, if you want a real DPS you're gonna have to use a stopwatch to get your average RPS, Honestly to me it seems like people put in 3 bursts a second, which would be less than half, putting it well below the other full auto ARs average 500dps w/out prof & dmg mods for either.

Actually 3 clicks per second is incredibly slow, and I am sure you can achieve at least 5 per second. Using your 3 per second figure means that the imperial SCR is at max (skills,dmg mods) doing 360 DPS and would never overheat, a rfile no one could ever consider overpowered.

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Strictly talking base stats, no skills, a basic combat rifle can do 640 dps if you can click the trigger 6.6 times a second. Most people can not do that constantly while maintaining accuracy of the weapon. And every time you miss that is 3 rounds not applied to your target. To empty the clip at that ROF would require 18 trigger pulls in under 3 seconds. Some people may be able to do that, but not every time. An automatic weapon always gives you the same ROF, a single shoot weapon does not.

Also to henchmen:

Basic Stats(basic variant no skills no damage mods with pulling the trigger 6.6 times per second):
AR: 425 DPS
CR: 640 DPS
SCR: 475.2 DPS
RR: 423 DPS

Can you spot the outlying rifle? I'll give you a hint, it is the one doing 33% more damage than the rest of the weapons.

I am not sure if you two actually realize how slow 3 trigger pulls per second actually is. This means over a 10 second period, you could only pull the trigger 30 times. Like I said earlier, go to this website and check how fast you can click per second.

OF course this is academic, you balance around what is the maximum output of any weapon, not what you deem to be typical usage. If you don't you get people using turbo controllers or whatever that completely breaks the game. Case in point:

Using a turbo controller a base (no skilss or mods) SCR can do like 850 DPS. This gives some people a HUGE advantage (of course the rifle overheats in 1.5 seconds). Honestly that should be nerfed down to 400 RPM like that TAC AR was.

So why did CCP shoose 400 RPM? It is because that is what is achievable for at least most people in click per second (6.6 clicks per second)

TLDR: CR does 33% more damage than the rest of the rifles any way you slice it.

Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.


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Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 877	Posted - 2013.12.20 10:09:00 - [1] - Quote Shield tank, problem solved. EDIT: Combat rifles do 15% less damage against shields than they do armor. ( - 5 % shields, +10% armor, becomes 15% WORSE against shields than armor) Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 877	Posted - 2013.12.20 10:14:00 - [2] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: You realize in order to get that magical 640 dps, you have to pull the trigger 6.6 times a second. Most humans can not do that. Especially for a prolonged period of time. Additionally, a miss means that all that entire burst's damage is out the window. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 879	Posted - 2013.12.20 23:50:00 - [3] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: that pressing the trigger 6.6 times a second is inbetween each burst, to achieve a full auto variant, to do that right is basically impossible, if you want a real DPS you're gonna have to use a stopwatch to get your average RPS, Honestly to me it seems like people put in 3 bursts a second, which would be less than half, putting it well below the other full auto ARs average 500dps w/out prof & dmg mods for either. Actually 3 clicks per second is incredibly slow, and I am sure you can achieve at least 5 per second. Using your 3 per second figure means that the imperial SCR is at max (skills,dmg mods) doing 360 DPS and would never overheat, a rfile no one could ever consider overpowered. Izlare Lenix wrote: Strictly talking base stats, no skills, a basic combat rifle can do 640 dps if you can click the trigger 6.6 times a second. Most people can not do that constantly while maintaining accuracy of the weapon. And every time you miss that is 3 rounds not applied to your target. To empty the clip at that ROF would require 18 trigger pulls in under 3 seconds. Some people may be able to do that, but not every time. An automatic weapon always gives you the same ROF, a single shoot weapon does not. Also to henchmen: Basic Stats(basic variant no skills no damage mods with pulling the trigger 6.6 times per second): AR: 425 DPS CR: 640 DPS SCR: 475.2 DPS RR: 423 DPS Can you spot the outlying rifle? I'll give you a hint, it is the one doing 33% more damage than the rest of the weapons. I am not sure if you two actually realize how slow 3 trigger pulls per second actually is. This means over a 10 second period, you could only pull the trigger 30 times. Like I said earlier, go to this website and check how fast you can click per second. OF course this is academic, you balance around what is the maximum output of any weapon, not what you deem to be typical usage. If you don't you get people using turbo controllers or whatever that completely breaks the game. Case in point: Using a turbo controller a base (no skilss or mods) SCR can do like 850 DPS. This gives some people a HUGE advantage (of course the rifle overheats in 1.5 seconds). Honestly that should be nerfed down to 400 RPM like that TAC AR was. So why did CCP shoose 400 RPM? It is because that is what is achievable for at least most people in click per second (6.6 clicks per second) TLDR: CR does 33% more damage than the rest of the rifles any way you slice it. I tested that website, I got 4.5 3-5 clicks per second is average. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.