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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.20 10:26:00 -
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Actually it is 1003.9 DPS.
Someone did the math before,
35.2 (base dmg for proto CR) X 1.15 (proficiency 5) X 1.24 (3 complex damage mods) X 20 (rounds per second)
yep, at a simple 6.6 presses per second, which is easily achievable. Test yourself out here.
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Crimson Cerberes
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Posted - 2013.12.20 10:47:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Actually it is 1003.9 DPS. Someone did the math before, 35.2 (base dmg for proto CR) X 1.15 (proficiency 5) X 1.24 (3 complex damage mods) X 20 (rounds per second) yep, at a simple 6.6 presses per second, which is easily achievable. Test yourself out here. F uck me that's ScR DPS. What even?
SCR would require you to pull the trigger 50% faster for comparible DPS.
So for 1000 DPS from a scrambler, you need to pull the trigger nearly 10 times a second (i.e. you need a turbo controller)
Izlare Lenix wrote:Simple math 1200 rounds a min. 3 round burst means 400 bursts a min. 400/60 secs = 6.6 bursts a second needed.
And yes some people can do that not all people. And always clicking the trigger correctly 6.6 times a second every time you fire the weapon is unrealistic. You will miss click sometimes, or you finger won't move properly. So that 640 dps is unrealistic.
640 DPS would require 4 clicks per second, now that is really easy.
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.20 19:40:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:that pressing the trigger 6.6 times a second is inbetween each burst, to achieve a full auto variant, to do that right is basically impossible, if you want a real DPS you're gonna have to use a stopwatch to get your average RPS, Honestly to me it seems like people put in 3 bursts a second, which would be less than half, putting it well below the other full auto ARs average 500dps w/out prof & dmg mods for either.
Actually 3 clicks per second is incredibly slow, and I am sure you can achieve at least 5 per second. Using your 3 per second figure means that the imperial SCR is at max (skills,dmg mods) doing 360 DPS and would never overheat, a rfile no one could ever consider overpowered.
Izlare Lenix wrote:Strictly talking base stats, no skills, a basic combat rifle can do 640 dps if you can click the trigger 6.6 times a second. Most people can not do that constantly while maintaining accuracy of the weapon. And every time you miss that is 3 rounds not applied to your target. To empty the clip at that ROF would require 18 trigger pulls in under 3 seconds. Some people may be able to do that, but not every time. An automatic weapon always gives you the same ROF, a single shoot weapon does not.
Also to henchmen:
Basic Stats(basic variant no skills no damage mods with pulling the trigger 6.6 times per second): AR: 425 DPS CR: 640 DPS SCR: 475.2 DPS RR: 423 DPS
Can you spot the outlying rifle? I'll give you a hint, it is the one doing 33% more damage than the rest of the weapons.
I am not sure if you two actually realize how slow 3 trigger pulls per second actually is. This means over a 10 second period, you could only pull the trigger 30 times. Like I said earlier, go to this website and check how fast you can click per second.
OF course this is academic, you balance around what is the maximum output of any weapon, not what you deem to be typical usage. If you don't you get people using turbo controllers or whatever that completely breaks the game. Case in point:
Using a turbo controller a base (no skilss or mods) SCR can do like 850 DPS. This gives some people a HUGE advantage (of course the rifle overheats in 1.5 seconds). Honestly that should be nerfed down to 400 RPM like that TAC AR was.
So why did CCP shoose 400 RPM? It is because that is what is achievable for at least most people in click per second (6.6 clicks per second)
TLDR: CR does 33% more damage than the rest of the rifles any way you slice it. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.20 20:21:00 -
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calvin b wrote:STOP THE F***** NERF THREADS. I am sick of you whining a** children. Like I have said before and will say again
The AR is OP it needs a nerf The ScR is OP it needs a nerf The CR is OP it needs a nerf The RR is OP it needs a nerf
Do you know what these have in common. You suck at dust is what is common, the weapons are fine you need to get better or go play another game may I suggest you find a game for children 3 and under.
Your crying about crying..... |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:35:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Crimson Cerberes wrote:Actually it is 1003.9 DPS. Someone did the math before, 35.2 (base dmg for proto CR) X 1.15 (proficiency 5) X 1.24 (3 complex damage mods) X 20 (rounds per second) yep, at a simple 6.6 presses per second, which is easily achievable. Test yourself out here. F uck me that's ScR DPS. What even? SCR would require you to pull the trigger 50% faster for comparible DPS. Oh yeah and it overheats. So for 1000 DPS from a scrambler, you need to pull the trigger nearly 10 times a second (i.e. you need a turbo controller) Is that ScR base damage? Or is that with lvl 5 prof & 3 complex damage mods like you showed on the CR? I don't know how much you've used the CR, but timing one burst after the next isn't something most can do consistently. You may tag two to three bursts in a row without missing the rhythm, but even a millisecond too early and you stutter the burst having to pull the trigger again, and too late and you automatically cut your DPS. You are talking about it's DPS as if everyone playing this game has a computer calculating exactly when to pull the trigger and pulling the trigger for them at exactly the right time to get maximum DPS. Apart from the handful of scrubs who use turbo controllers, this is FAR from the case. In addition, CR has to hit with all of it's rounds per trigger pull for it's DPS to count, so if your aim is even slightly to the side and your crosshairs slip off mid burst, part of your burst doesn't even register and just causes shield flares . The ScR is an Alpha damage weapon. It's round hits with all it's damage at once damage, and it has a charged shot which can OHK many suits. It can also fully kill almost any suit with a charged shot plus 3-4 follow ups regardless of it's shield/armor ratio. The RoF for the ScR is high enough that there are very few people who can actually stutter it's fire pattern by accidentally firing too fast, and it's cooldown time is fast enough to move from one engagement to the next with very little delay (ask Arkena Wyrnspire, we all remember THOSE threads from a few weeks ago). On top of all that, it get's a larger than usual headshot multiplier, which means a headshot with a charged round is absolutely devastating (I've seen plenty of kb/m players using this to their advantage). It's basically a long range shotgun that overheats. And can be fired pretty much fired as fast as you can pull the trigger. And can be charged. And has insanely strong hip-fire aim assist. Keep trying to make the CR out to be better, it's not working bro.
1) In order to stutter the fire pattern of a CR(assuming this actually happens), you must be mashing the button faster than 6.6667 times per second, something you and your counter-parts deem unlikely.
2) I can unload the entire clip in 3 seconds, that means a DPS of 634 base. I have seen this happen many, many times.
3) that is the lvl 5 prof 5 3 dmg mod SCR (actually you can fire 11.75 times per second for 1320 DPS for 1.5secs and then 5 seconds of being defensless)
4) hitting with rounds applies to all weapons, not just the SCR. We are arguing damage potential. I could miss with all of the rounds of an AR or SCR and that is 0 DPS plus being defenseless on overheat for 5 seconds, doesn't change the amount of damage I can do with it.
5) Most people believe hip-fire for the SCR has been nerfed in 1.7
In the end though, the CR does 143% more DPS than an AR while having more range, nothing you say changes that. BOTH the SCR and the CR need a RoF nerf. |
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