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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:33:00 -
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Dust has forever been an SP game, and it is constantly decided by who has the worst team..
rarely, a team has to earn victory they just pay for it ...
It's the biggest reason this game may fail - it's let so many people have an unbeatable advantage which they will always abuse, until CCP recall the game
With a squad of seasoned players, coming up against the 30mil SP bitches is rarely going to end well if there is more than 2/3 of them...
Imagine playing your first game of Dust against guys who cant step out of 100k suits |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
643
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:15:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Dust has forever been an SP game, and it is constantly decided by who has the worst team..
rarely, a team has to earn victory they just pay for it ...
It's the biggest reason this game may fail - it's let so many people have an unbeatable advantage which they will always abuse, until CCP recall the game
With a squad of seasoned players, coming up against the 30mil SP bitches is rarely going to end well if there is more than 2/3 of them...
Imagine playing your first game of Dust against guys who cant step out of 100k suits
Even if they step out of those suits and run equal gear, they'll still have more fun stomping. Some players are just as better in starter fit as they are in Fully loaded proto suits. It's the blue berries fault who just run straight at their guns without any tactics... Mostly it's CCPs matchmaking |
Judas Iscariot666
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
25
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:21:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Dust has forever been an SP game, and it is constantly decided by who has the worst team..
rarely, a team has to earn victory they just pay for it ...
It's the biggest reason this game may fail - it's let so many people have an unbeatable advantage which they will always abuse, until CCP recall the game
With a squad of seasoned players, coming up against the 30mil SP bitches is rarely going to end well if there is more than 2/3 of them...
Imagine playing your first game of Dust against guys who cant step out of 100k suits
So what are the 30mil SP bitches supposed to do? I do see both sides of the situation but I haven't been in a match where someone isn't running proto gear on either side. Either fix match making in pub matches or make it where u can only run proto fits in Faction Warfare.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
221
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:26:00 -
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I don't know how it will be fixed, if ever and I get that they need something to do but damn, it gets so pointless |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
645
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:28:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I don't know how it will be fixed, if ever and I get that they need something to do but damn, it gets so pointless
I guess that's where the competitive mind set should work. If someone gets smashed by a Proto, they should work hard to get Proto and stomp them back. That's how i started and that how reached 32 mil. No one donated the SP to me or others. Every one of those players that you are calling bitches have earned those 30 mil + SP and suits and everything else. it's not their fault if the other team sucks or CCP puts fresh out of academy players against these players... I will run Proto every match all day, why?! I've earned it and i can afford it. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2465
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:37:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Dust has forever been an SP game, and it is constantly decided by who has the worst team..
rarely, a team has to earn victory they just pay for it ...
It's the biggest reason this game may fail - it's let so many people have an unbeatable advantage which they will always abuse, until CCP recall the game
With a squad of seasoned players, coming up against the 30mil SP bitches is rarely going to end well if there is more than 2/3 of them...
Imagine playing your first game of Dust against guys who cant step out of 100k suits
more rebel scum QQ over getting their asses handed to em over and over... and over and over..
as the infamous Kobrah says.... 'You suck, live with it or go play Pokemon'
while you're at it.. go make me a SaMMiCh and hide you family cause the Imperials are beatin down doors lookin for matari sympathizers
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2467
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:40:00 -
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FYI crying and whining about SP and proto and imbalance in pubs... General discussion with the rest of the clueless NuBs
War room is for big boys to flap their gums at each other, not for those that aren't even skilled enough to be non-factors to put in their 2 isk
unless you're payin of course ;)
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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m twiggz
Pradox One Proficiency V.
170
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:45:00 -
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This is a moot point. I've been on teams of all basic and advanced gear that have won against mostly proto teams, I've also been on mostly proto teams who have lost against mostly basic and advanced gear. It's not always who has the most SP or ISK.
I agree that there should be better match making. Obviously that's something CCP has yet to figure out. |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
645
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:48:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:This is a moot point. I've been on teams of all basic and advanced gear that have won against mostly proto teams, I've also been on mostly proto teams who have lost against mostly basic and advanced gear. It's not always who has the most SP or ISK.
I agree that there should be better match making. Obviously that's something CCP has yet to figure out.
I guess to sum it up... Not every black tuxedo wearing douche is James Bond but some hobo clothes wearing peeps could be John Rambo ?! |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:51:00 -
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and seriously.. isn't 30mil the new 10mil?
I mean im sure 30mil is no longer the 'minority' so u are callin pretty much any vet a '*****'
good luck with that
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
646
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:00:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:and seriously.. isn't 30mil the new 10mil?
I mean im sure 30mil is no longer the 'minority' so u are callin pretty much any vet a '*****'
good luck with that
I was gonna point that out but damn... I wanted him to wonder why everyone had a semi boner for him in game lol |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
1311
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:22:00 -
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i only have 21 mil sp. :( and i'm a vet. just because i didn't use money on this game doesn't make me any less so. \o/
Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
1027
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:35:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Dust has forever been an SP game, and it is constantly decided by who has the worst team..
rarely, a team has to earn victory they just pay for it ...
It's the biggest reason this game may fail - it's let so many people have an unbeatable advantage which they will always abuse, until CCP recall the game
With a squad of seasoned players, coming up against the 30mil SP bitches is rarely going to end well if there is more than 2/3 of them...
Imagine playing your first game of Dust against guys who cant step out of 100k suits
eve online isn't supposed to be easy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ICfpjoevP8 |
Cass Caul
567
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:55:00 -
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lol, a proto suit, a proto weapon, and all the Dropsuit Upgrades skills will run you 21 million. No boosters, logging in once a day, and stop playing after you cap out makes you 400200SP a week. So it'll take someone 52 weeks to get everything proto, if you ignore all the double and triple SP events, that in October and November you were getting an extra 3000-6000+ SP a day from the "event" bonus.
lol and who spec's into things like the scanning skills and kinetic catalyzation, melee amps, cardiac regulation, CPU and PG upgrades to 5. repairtool, nanocircutry, and uplinks.
17 million and you can run whatever you want- that's roughly the SP accumulated by new players that started in June that hit the SP cap each week and have not used boosters.
Oh NO! someone has 30 million SP, that means they have the option to run a variety of prototype suits and prototype weapons I'm s scared because I only use 1 suit, 1 sidearm, and 1 light weapon.
DUST might be an SP game, but that game ends when you get to half of what I have now.
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Cass Caul
567
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:58:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: (and girls, no need to get Appia to reconvene the 'hater' crew)
too bad Rampage and his use of the "N" word got that convo removed
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:11:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:lol, a proto suit, a proto weapon, and all the Dropsuit Upgrades skills will run you 21 million. No boosters, logging in once a day, and stop playing after you cap out makes you 400200SP a week. So it'll take someone 52 weeks to get everything proto, if you ignore all the double and triple SP events, that in October and November you were getting an extra 3000-6000+ SP a day from the "event" bonus. lol and who spec's into things like the scanning skills and kinetic catalyzation, melee amps, cardiac regulation, CPU and PG upgrades to 5. repairtool, nanocircutry, and uplinks. 17 million and you can run whatever you want- that's roughly the SP accumulated by new players that started in June that hit the SP cap each week and have not used boosters. Oh NO! someone has 30 million SP, that means they have the option to run a variety of prototype suits and prototype weapons I'm s scared because I only use 1 suit, 1 sidearm, and 1 light weapon. DUST might be an SP game, but that game ends when you get to half of what I have now.
wait wait... u mean everyone DOESNT have kin cats? cardiac regulator? electronics and engineering to lvl 5??
or dampening? precision? range? uplinks? nanos? biotics?
more than 1 weapon maxed out? multiple suits? vehicles?
damn maybe I am the minority :P
I know this chick appia.. she only needs a suit (optional) and a smile. deaths are free im told
I'll bet to be the assassin she is would only cost someone like 6-7m SP
and I wouldn't fall asleep next to her.. might not have a pulse when I woke up
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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Jin no kami
Valor Coalition
19
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:04:00 -
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Who on dust can pub stomp with standard gear no 10% mods or adv or higher nanos or uplinks during peak hrs no vehicles =ƒÖï |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
329
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:59:00 -
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Jin no kami wrote:Who on dust can pub stomp with standard gear no 10% mods or adv or higher nanos or uplinks during peak hrs no vehicles =ƒÖï Me and my guys don't stomp so to speak, but we win 70% of the time and enjoy the challenge of going against the full proto squads when we do see them because it makes the kills sweeter cause we have to work as a team to get them. We run bpo's and adv gear and most of us are above 25 mil sp. We save the proto for FW or those "special" matches. But as Nav said people have the right to run it if they can, it's a personal choice on what to run. Sucks for new players but until ccp fixes matchmaking, such is life. However, when you step away from the proto and run a bpo or standard suit for a couple weeks, it makes you more cautious and even more deadly when you need to run the top shelf gear.
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Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
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ReGnYuM
Imperfects
1566
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:05:00 -
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FYI Op
If you're posting because of the events last night. I can assure that even had we been running militia the result would been just the same. Most of the players in our squads have been or are in A- Team PC teams. We had a perfect mixture of logi, slayer, and pilot
The Experience gap is just too wide
Lastly, this should be in general. There is a unwritten rule that you don't cry about SP in the waroom
Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset
I learned how to make Jewelry out of Matari Flesh
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Jin no kami
Valor Coalition
19
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:14:00 -
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I agree run what you like that was the reason for grinding so long but I NVR came across a corp that all ran standard or militia. Startup corp players do tho, I run adv unless I'm getting stomped then I switch to my lemniscate suit =ƒÿ+ |
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2222
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:31:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:and seriously.. isn't 30mil the new 10mil?
I mean im sure 30mil is no longer the 'minority' so u are callin pretty much any vet a '*****'
good luck with that 30 mil is the new 10 mil?!
That means, by these standards, I have only 5 mil
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
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STABBEY TAXI
ITAKEUCHIT
33
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:07:00 -
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CCP Should give us a Veteran game mode.
AND Make Vets WANT to play it.
1. A way to get Vets to WANT to do it is to Increase the payouts ATLEAST Isk payouts for said game mode.
2. Make a minimum SP Requirement for the game mode say 10mill SP? By 10mill MOST players will have the proto gear needed to compete on somwhat equal ground.
Just a thought
Figured instead of trying to get noobs into the training match crap, just give Vets a place to actually have GOOD matches outside of PC with skilled players. |
Cass Caul
573
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:16:00 -
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Jin no kami wrote:Who on dust can pub stomp with standard gear no 10% mods or adv or higher nanos or uplinks during peak hrs no vehicles =ƒÖï
1) I have 0SP invested in AR 2) I did not spec' into assault suits until I already had a Scout and a Logi 3) I have Gallente Assault lvl 1 and have only had it since the Vehicle Respec'
I'll do better in a Dragonfly Assault with 'Toxin' Assault Rifle with nothing else equiped that most people I come across. I only need 2 basic shield extenders, 1 basic armor plate, and 1 basic repair tool to deal with proto suits.
I've got a second character, only 9.2 million SP. I have no trouble keeping up with people I know have over 25m SP in pubs or PC.
I've got a third alt That only has 2.5 million SP, I have no trouble coming out on top of the killboards at the end of a pub running just Medic [STARTER FIT] and replacing the MLT Nanite Injector with a A-45 Active Scanner.
Only exception is when a tank dominates the field. which has been every ******* game this past week.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1895
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:24:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:and seriously.. isn't 30mil the new 10mil?
I mean im sure 30mil is no longer the 'minority' so u are callin pretty much any vet a '*****'
good luck with that 15-20's the new 10, then again 10s still 10
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
752
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Posted - 2013.12.20 06:26:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Dust has forever been an SP game, and it is constantly decided by who has the worst team..
rarely, a team has to earn victory they just pay for it ...
It's the biggest reason this game may fail - it's let so many people have an unbeatable advantage which they will always abuse, until CCP recall the game
With a squad of seasoned players, coming up against the 30mil SP bitches is rarely going to end well if there is more than 2/3 of them...
Imagine playing your first game of Dust against guys who cant step out of 100k suits
QFT, yoh. It's all about match-making.
Also. skill level plays a big part in all of this. Not just money. I could've had 10 Billion right now with a 20 Mil SP(I have 15 Mil SP right now...) but I'd still be the same player I am now.
People cry and moan and ***** but the way I see it, Dust has a ceiling when it comes to SP's effect on battles. Once you spec out your AR and it's Proficiency and your Gallente assault you can't really go pass that. I'm sitting on my SP right now just spending it on solidifying what I already have or testing new crap. 15-20-30 it doesn't matter that much other than adaptability and even then that still doesn't play enough of a role to provide constant stomps. At some point, it's not the Skill Points, it's the Skills.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
223
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Posted - 2013.12.20 12:34:00 -
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I should have thought out the post a bit more, It was mostly because I have died too much this week, my mind is going crazy due to it being implanted in a new clone every 30 seconds....
I am a good player and I want to see more competition in games, rather than which side has SP and can afford to run the better gear, most of the time
I get we all have the equipment unlocked and want to use it, but 80% of the matches don't involve fighting, it's just one-sided farming
Last time we met, Cubs your guys owned us, me especially as I kept throwing myself at you's It was almost worth it for getting a few kills on that Regnum guy in his proto.. And unless you don't pay attention to killboard, this rebel scum has caused you trouble on plenty of occasions in pubs and FW,
I am posting here so the more experienced players see this, And maybe consider how game-breaking it is when you guys come out in a pack |
NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
661
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Posted - 2013.12.20 13:18:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I should have thought out the post a bit more, It was mostly because I have died too much this week, my mind is going crazy due to it being implanted in a new clone every 30 seconds....
I am a good player and I want to see more competition in games, rather than which side has SP and can afford to run the better gear, most of the time
I get we all have the equipment unlocked and want to use it, but 80% of the matches don't involve fighting, it's just one-sided farming
Last time we met, Cubs your guys owned us, me especially as I kept throwing myself at you's It was almost worth it for getting a few kills on that Regnum guy in his proto.. And unless you don't pay attention to killboard, this rebel scum has caused you trouble on plenty of occasions in pubs and FW,
I am posting here so the more experienced players see this, And maybe consider how game-breaking it is when you guys come out in a pack
Most of us have been on the same side or still do get those matches atleast once a day. Anyone here who says that they dont loose. Then LOL i dont know what to say to them... Sometimes even if you have two Proto squads you'll end up loosing. But those battles are costly and bloody for both sides. But let me tell you this, those are the matches i look forward to everyday. It's not fun using a duvolle on a starter fit. But the feeling you get when that cowbell rings on a Proto ?! Yummm....
P.s: Regnum would probably win that even if he was in a starter fit with that crew |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2476
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:11:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I should have thought out the post a bit more, It was mostly because I have died too much this week, my mind is going crazy due to it being implanted in a new clone every 30 seconds....
I am a good player and I want to see more competition in games, rather than which side has SP and can afford to run the better gear, most of the time
I get we all have the equipment unlocked and want to use it, but 80% of the matches don't involve fighting, it's just one-sided farming
Last time we met, Cubs your guys owned us, me especially as I kept throwing myself at you's It was almost worth it for getting a few kills on that Regnum guy in his proto.. And unless you don't pay attention to killboard, this rebel scum has caused you trouble on plenty of occasions in pubs and FW,
I am posting here so the more experienced players see this, And maybe consider how game-breaking it is when you guys come out in a pack
honestly? no.
I haven't looked at the killboard in weeks. we WIN, I queue us for the next beatdown. rinse and repeat.
Yes some care bout KDR, while I ONLY care about W/L
I challenge anyone to go up against us in only MLT/ADV gear and be successful.
and killing one or 2 of us once or twice in a match is not considered 'successful'
Win the match, then feel free to chest thump or whatever you enjoy.
Know this, almost all of the people I roll with don't even have a FITTING that isn't proto. Nothing against anyone, but isk doesn't matter to any of us, and we have invested time and SP to create the fittings we like, and shall therefore use them.
'trouble' from my point of view is a close match, whether it be on clones or MCC. other than that, your efforts only come back to haunt you during your 'rehabilitation' therapy
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2476
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:13:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:TheD1CK wrote:I should have thought out the post a bit more, It was mostly because I have died too much this week, my mind is going crazy due to it being implanted in a new clone every 30 seconds....
I am a good player and I want to see more competition in games, rather than which side has SP and can afford to run the better gear, most of the time
I get we all have the equipment unlocked and want to use it, but 80% of the matches don't involve fighting, it's just one-sided farming
Last time we met, Cubs your guys owned us, me especially as I kept throwing myself at you's It was almost worth it for getting a few kills on that Regnum guy in his proto.. And unless you don't pay attention to killboard, this rebel scum has caused you trouble on plenty of occasions in pubs and FW,
I am posting here so the more experienced players see this, And maybe consider how game-breaking it is when you guys come out in a pack Most of us have been on the same side or still do get those matches atleast once a day. Anyone here who says that they dont loose. Then LOL i dont know what to say to them... Sometimes even if you have two Proto squads you'll end up loosing. But those battles are costly and bloody for both sides. But let me tell you this, those are the matches i look forward to everyday. It's not fun using a duvolle on a starter fit. But the feeling you get when that cowbell rings on a Proto ?! Yummm.... P.s: Regnum would probably win that even if he was in a starter fit with that crew
I have lost 3 matches in the past 11 days... 1 yesterday was simply a travesty. full 16 qsync on the other side, only a squad of 5 on my side..
Look forward to those challenges, but after the loss I tried to find a reason, like my own squad not pulling their weight, so I take a gander at the killboard...
My 5 guys top 5, 96 kills combined between us.
the other 11.... ZERO kills....ZERO
just had to shrug that one off lol
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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STABBEY TAXI
ITAKEUCHIT
34
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:14:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:TheD1CK wrote:I should have thought out the post a bit more, It was mostly because I have died too much this week, my mind is going crazy due to it being implanted in a new clone every 30 seconds....
I am a good player and I want to see more competition in games, rather than which side has SP and can afford to run the better gear, most of the time
I get we all have the equipment unlocked and want to use it, but 80% of the matches don't involve fighting, it's just one-sided farming
Last time we met, Cubs your guys owned us, me especially as I kept throwing myself at you's It was almost worth it for getting a few kills on that Regnum guy in his proto.. And unless you don't pay attention to killboard, this rebel scum has caused you trouble on plenty of occasions in pubs and FW,
I am posting here so the more experienced players see this, And maybe consider how game-breaking it is when you guys come out in a pack honestly? no. I haven't looked at the killboard in weeks. we WIN, I queue us for the next beatdown. rinse and repeat. Yes some care bout KDR, while I ONLY care about W/L I challenge anyone to go up against us in only MLT/ADV gear and be successful. and killing one or 2 of us once or twice in a match is not considered 'successful' Win the match, then feel free to chest thump or whatever you enjoy. Know this, almost all of the people I roll with don't even have a FITTING that isn't proto. Nothing against anyone, but isk doesn't matter to any of us, and we have invested time and SP to create the fittings we like, and shall therefore use them. 'trouble' from my point of view is a close match, whether it be on clones or MCC. other than that, your efforts only come back to haunt you during your 'rehabilitation' therapy
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