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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:37:00 -
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Here's an idea. Instead of continually scanning, the Active Scanner should send out a single pulse. Just one. If you get hit by that pulse, you're marked. Prevents people from abusing the thing by doing a 360 while using it. Also, instead of just getting a "you've been scanned" notification, have it mark the scanner to whoever was hit by the scan pulse. If you mark someone, you yourself are marked. Possibly add a variant that's weaker, but doesn't reveal you to the enemy.
With these two changes, I think the Active Scanner would be less overused while still being an effective tool for finding the enemy. No more 360-degree turns to reveal everything nearby, and no more spamming it without consequences.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage looks nicer.
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ReVe-ZePHoS
Paladen Night's
2
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:08:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Here's an idea. Instead of continually scanning, the Active Scanner should send out a single pulse. Just one. If you get hit by that pulse, you're marked. Prevents people from abusing the thing by doing a 360 while using it. Also, instead of just getting a "you've been scanned" notification, have it mark the scanner to whoever was hit by the scan pulse. If you mark someone, you yourself are marked. Possibly add a variant that's weaker, but doesn't reveal you to the enemy.
With these two changes, I think the Active Scanner would be less overused while still being an effective tool for finding the enemy. No more 360-degree turns to reveal everything nearby, and no more spamming it without consequences.
except the active scanner is designed to do just that, ITS DESIGN NO SCAN THE ENTIRE AREA TO LOCATE BIOMETRIC SIGNALS EMITTED BY ENEMY DROPSUITS, EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES, AND INSTILLATIONS.
you cant complain about people using their equipment as it was intended.
and why should it give away your position, its for your intel not the enemy, thats why its a personal handheld scanning device.
and there are major consequences such as not being able to defend yourself.
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ReVe-ZePHoS
Paladen Night's
2
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:13:00 -
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the only current problem with the game is the supercharged HAV's and the nerf blaster av
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
803
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:15:00 -
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ReVe-ZePHoS wrote:except the active scanner is designed to do just that, ITS DESIGN NO SCAN THE ENTIRE AREA TO LOCATE BIOMETRIC SIGNALS EMITTED BY ENEMY DROPSUITS, EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES, AND INSTILLATIONS.
Did I ever say it wasn't?
ReVe-ZePHos wrote:and why should it give away your position
To give passive scanning its own advantage.
ReVe-ZePHos wrote:the only current problem with the game is the supercharged HAV's and the nerf blaster av
I call bullshat.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage looks nicer.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
568
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:58:00 -
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Some scanners have a long scan time for the sole purpose of being able to spin around and scan 360* - i.e. the Creodron Proximity scanner.
What they should do is halve the current scan times, and add this to the illumination time. That means that the most commonly used scanners (the Adv and Proto Quantums) won't be able to get 360* anymore, just 180*, and only if you are very quick. |
ReVe-ZePHoS
Paladen Night's
2
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Posted - 2013.12.19 18:00:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:ReVe-ZePHoS wrote:except the active scanner is designed to do just that, ITS DESIGN NO SCAN THE ENTIRE AREA TO LOCATE BIOMETRIC SIGNALS EMITTED BY ENEMY DROPSUITS, EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES, AND INSTILLATIONS. Did I ever say it wasn't? ReVe-ZePHos wrote:and why should it give away your position To give passive scanning its own advantage. EXCEPT THE SCANNER IS FOR IDENTIFYING ENEMY POSITIONS TO PLAN THE BEST ROUTE OF ATTACK OR DEFENSE AND IF IT GIVES AWAY YOUR POSITION WHEN YOU USE IT THEN THAT NEGATES ITS WHOLE PURPOSE ReVe-ZePHos wrote:the only current problem with the game is the supercharged HAV's and the nerf blaster av I call bullshat.
YOUR PROBABLY ONE OF THE NOOBS WHO HAVE NEVER DRIVEN THE HAV'S BEFORE AND HAVE FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING THAT CAN KILL A PROTO WELL GUES WHAT I HAVE 30 MIL SP INTO VEHICLES AND HAVE BEEN A PILOT SINCE CHROMOSOME AND THE NEW VEHICLE UPDATES ARE F****** ********
HAV= HEAVY attack vehicle(heavy generaly means slow moving) NOT SUPERPOWER FORD MUSTANG WITH GUNS
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Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
370
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:13:00 -
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I think the scanner's 360-¦ spin that everyone does is actually an exploit otherwise there would be no point to the varying scan durations.
"We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
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Dustbunny Durrr
ReD or DeaD
13
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:19:00 -
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ReVe-ZePHoS wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:ReVe-ZePHoS wrote:except the active scanner is designed to do just that, ITS DESIGN NO SCAN THE ENTIRE AREA TO LOCATE BIOMETRIC SIGNALS EMITTED BY ENEMY DROPSUITS, EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES, AND INSTILLATIONS. Did I ever say it wasn't? ReVe-ZePHos wrote:and why should it give away your position To give passive scanning its own advantage. EXCEPT THE SCANNER IS FOR IDENTIFYING ENEMY POSITIONS TO PLAN THE BEST ROUTE OF ATTACK OR DEFENSE AND IF IT GIVES AWAY YOUR POSITION WHEN YOU USE IT THEN THAT NEGATES ITS WHOLE PURPOSE ReVe-ZePHos wrote:the only current problem with the game is the supercharged HAV's and the nerf blaster av I call bullshat. YOUR PROBABLY ONE OF THE NOOBS WHO HAVE NEVER DRIVEN THE HAV'S BEFORE AND HAVE FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING THAT CAN KILL A PROTO WELL GUES WHAT I HAVE 30 MIL SP INTO VEHICLES AND HAVE BEEN A PILOT SINCE CHROMOSOME AND THE NEW VEHICLE UPDATES ARE F****** ******** HAV= HEAVY attack vehicle(heavy generaly means slow moving) NOT SUPERPOWER FORD MUSTANG WITH GUNS
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1119
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Posted - 2013.12.19 20:54:00 -
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The 360-¦ thing does indeed seem like an exploit. An alternative would be to make the scanner detect things after a certain time of continuous exposure depending on their profile. You could still find a few heavies by doing the scan rotation but not much else.
Regarding the "scan and get scanned" idea: I like it in general but i think a blanket rule is a bit too indiscriminate. Here is an alternate version of this idea from me that increases your own suits profile while and shortly after scanning.
This means that most heavies and mediums are likely to get detected themselves when scanning but the lights'/scouts' low innate signature radius makes them able to avoid detection.
Currently there's no reason why scanning should be done by scouts over other frame sizes. This would adress that, cut down on the spam signicantly and finally give scouts something no one else can do better.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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ReVe-ZePHoS
Paladen Night's
2
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:20:00 -
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Thank you for shouting at the top of your lungs, I needed something to wake me up this morning.[/quote]
sorry bout that, forgot to take of caps lock
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
809
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:22:00 -
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ReVe-ZePHoS wrote:EXCEPT THE SCANNER IS FOR IDENTIFYING ENEMY POSITIONS TO PLAN THE BEST ROUTE OF ATTACK OR DEFENSE AND IF IT GIVES AWAY YOUR POSITION WHEN YOU USE IT THEN THAT NEGATES ITS WHOLE PURPOSE
Not necessarily. Your entire team gets intel of all scanned enemies, but the scanned enemies only get intel on you. Taking one for the team, per se. Also, unless the enemy is observant, they might not even notice you.
ReVe-ZePHos wrote:YOUR PROBABLY ONE OF THE NOOBS WHO HAVE NEVER DRIVEN THE HAV'S BEFORE AND HAVE FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING THAT CAN KILL A PROTO WELL GUES WHAT I HAVE 30 MIL SP INTO VEHICLES AND HAVE BEEN A PILOT SINCE CHROMOSOME AND THE NEW VEHICLE UPDATES ARE F****** ********
HAV= HEAVY attack vehicle(heavy generaly means slow moving) NOT SUPERPOWER FORD MUSTANG WITH GUNS
Whoa, easy there. For one, I've driven HAVs back in Chromosome. For two, I'm not saying it's not a problem, I'm say it's not the only problem. There are other problems with the game. There's never been a game with no problems with it.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage looks nicer.
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ReVe-ZePHoS
Paladen Night's
2
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Posted - 2013.12.20 13:51:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:ReVe-ZePHoS wrote:EXCEPT THE SCANNER IS FOR IDENTIFYING ENEMY POSITIONS TO PLAN THE BEST ROUTE OF ATTACK OR DEFENSE AND IF IT GIVES AWAY YOUR POSITION WHEN YOU USE IT THEN THAT NEGATES ITS WHOLE PURPOSE [quote=Ulysses Knapse]Not necessarily. Your entire team gets intel of all scanned enemies, but the scanned enemies only get intel on you. Taking one for the team, per se. Also, unless the enemy is observant, they might not even notice you.
once again it is used for avoidance and manuevering to find a better way to engage the enemy and that entire purpose is negated if it gives away your position
idk about you but if i get scanned the first thing i do is look around to maybe catch them when they think im not looking
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ReVe-ZePHoS
Paladen Night's
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Posted - 2013.12.20 13:57:00 -
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ReVe-ZePHos wrote:the only current problem with the game is the supercharged HAV's and the nerf blaster av
I call bullshat.[/quote]
YOUR PROBABLY ONE OF THE NOOBS WHO HAVE NEVER DRIVEN THE HAV'S BEFORE AND HAVE FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING THAT CAN KILL A PROTO WELL GUES WHAT I HAVE 30 MIL SP INTO VEHICLES AND HAVE BEEN A PILOT SINCE CHROMOSOME AND THE NEW VEHICLE UPDATES ARE F****** ********
HAV= HEAVY attack vehicle(heavy generaly means slow moving) NOT SUPERPOWER FORD MUSTANG WITH GUNS[/quote]
Thank you for shouting at the top of your lungs, I needed something to wake me up this morning.[/quote]
thank you for killing me yesterday dur lol
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Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
505
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:12:00 -
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I mostly agree except the part about the scanner user being marked part. In my opinion, a scanner user could indeed be marked but only for player to whom the scan failed to detect. This would make using dampeners more rewarding.
As for people justifiyng the 360-¦, please do explain why is it that every scanner has a stat for scan angle, some scanners being 45-¦, others 60-¦ or within that range. That stat is completely irrelevant with the 360-¦ maneuver. Scanners were made with 2 distinct options, one with narrow scan angle but long range and another with wide scan angle but short range. The fact that people can 360-¦ renders this intent for scanners obsolete.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
574
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:52:00 -
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If scanners were meant only for "snapshots" at a specific angle then they would all be instantaneous, and you wouldn't get any more data when turning around.
Yet we have some scanners with 5 second scan durations, allowing you to spin and collect constant intel throughout your pirouette.
Scanners had to have an angle just because of they type of device it is - a handheld beam-projecting flashlight deal. The narrowness of the angle itself only comes to play with the flux scanners, which have very short scan times. That's why I'd support a change to the current scan time so that the Quantum scanners will only be effective for 180*, assuming you still spin with them. In all honesty I doubt this would have a huge effect on gameplay as most organized squads have two or more people scanning for them. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
843
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:29:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:If scanners were meant only for "snapshots" at a specific angle then they would all be instantaneous, and you wouldn't get any more data when turning around.
Yet we have some scanners with 5 second scan durations, allowing you to spin and collect constant intel throughout your pirouette.
Scanners had to have an angle just because of they type of device it is - a handheld beam-projecting flashlight deal. The narrowness of the angle itself only comes to play with the flux scanners, which have very short scan times. That's why I'd support a change to the current scan time so that the Quantum scanners will only be effective for 180*, assuming you still spin with them. In all honesty I doubt this would have a huge effect on gameplay as most organized squads have two or more people scanning for them.
You're right, it would be better if scanning was reworked so that it wasn't as exploitable.
However, this is more of a quick fix to tide us over.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage looks nicer.
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Zunist Tae
Single Player Opps
4
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:32:00 -
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I don't like the idea of being auto found when using an active scanner. It already keeps me from using a weapon while scanning, which means being lit up like a Christmas tree for everyone feels over the top.
However, a partial give away wouldn't be bad...Some visual indicator that indicates which quadrant the signal came from maybe. That's also more in line with how tech like that actually works. Finding the source of a signal when you only have one point of detection isn't really viable, usually takes three (four if you're working scanning from the sky...)
Of course even that would make me sad. Nothing quite as amusing as scanning your way to the back of a snipers head....  |
CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
526
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:37:00 -
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well u may not consider the hav slow moving but i can definitely say is slow turning.:) |
lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
Public Disorder.
58
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Posted - 2013.12.20 20:22:00 -
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I'm a ballerina and honestly I would be ok with a 180 view. I'm not sure I dig people being able to find me just because I scanned. However, it would be hilarious for a single red to come get their revenge and find me...and the squad I'm always running with. However, it would be just another red flag on the logi. I'm already jumping around like a flea while healing my crew.
Generally, I've learned to keep my scanning to some minimum in usually 180 degrees because its what my team ultimately really needs. flank, front, flank, in the direction we're moving, so I think that's a legitimate restriction. However, now when I see the 'you have been scanned' message, I tend to scan back out of spite. "Fine!! I'll scan you BACK!!"
Minmatar Logisis | Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
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ReVe-ZePHoS
Paladen Night's
2
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Posted - 2013.12.20 22:50:00 -
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lee corwood wrote:I'm a ballerina and honestly I would be ok with a 180 view. I'm not sure I dig people being able to find me just because I scanned. However, it would be hilarious for a single red to come get their revenge and find me...and the squad I'm always running with. However, it would be just another red flag on the logi. I'm already jumping around like a flea while healing my crew.
Generally, I've learned to keep my scanning to some minimum in usually 180 degrees because its what my team ultimately really needs. flank, front, flank, in the direction we're moving, so I think that's a legitimate restriction. However, now when I see the 'you have been scanned' message, I tend to scan back out of spite. "Fine!! I'll scan you BACK!!"
i could put up with that too because im mostly a tanker (30mil sp) but also a logi and a heavy (about 5mil sp)
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