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Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4668	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:50:00 - [1] - Quote I was expecting it... maybe the buff wasn't go(o)d enough. Maybe after a week of HMG molestation, assault players will start to chime in. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4172	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:51:00 - [2] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I was expecting it... maybe the buff wasn't go(o)d enough. Maybe after a week of HMG molestation, assault players will start to chime in. Honestly, I think it's because most of us know from experience how bad it was, and actually getting killed by it isn't really an issue. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 279	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:54:00 - [3] - Quote Give it time iam sure people will come to that conclusion eventually.
Awry Barux Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 433	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:56:00 - [4] - Quote I think the HMG is perfect now. As a logi defending a point earlier today, I was doing well against MLT kiddies and such- until a HMG heavy showed up and mopped the installation with my ragdoll. Finally, the feeling of "oh sh*t a HMG heavy" is back and it feels... right.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4172	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:57:00 - [5] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I think the HMG is perfect now. As a logi defending a point earlier today, I was doing well against MLT kiddies and such- until a HMG heavy showed up and mopped the installation with my ragdoll. Finally, the feeling of "oh sh*t a HMG heavy" is back and it feels... right. I know, right? As soon as you see one coming at you you get a spike of adrenaline and the anticipation of a hard fight. I missed that. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 788	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:58:00 - [6] - Quote I believe no one is complaining because players that know how to face Heavies will just snipe away with their RRs.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2712	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:59:00 - [7] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I was expecting it... maybe the buff wasn't go(o)d enough. Maybe after a week of HMG molestation, assault players will start to chime in. Hang on, I haven't started using it yet. No.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1892	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:00:00 - [8] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I was expecting it... maybe the buff wasn't go(o)d enough. Maybe after a week of HMG molestation, assault players will start to chime in. The Tank Spam is an issue that the Assaults are facing moreso atm, give them the longer TTKs they want and there won't be any HMG QQ, anyways the HMG is fine now, It works pretty well in PC when the frame rate is bearable I actually can go 2 v1 with my ADV HMG Heavy let alone my PRO Heavy Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a normal person, if I seem like a douche it's because I hate 90% of people on these forums
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1244	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:02:00 - [9] - Quote I agree. I miss the days from early beta where you would come around the corner, see a heavy, and wonder where you would like to respawn next because your life would be over in half a second. Heavies should be absolutely terrifying in close quarters. A hulking tank of a man that kills anything within 30m in front of him. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4668	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:05:00 - [10] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: I believe no one is complaining because players that know how to face Heavies will just snipe away with their RRs. Back in Chromosome days there wasn't any RR, but people surely knew how to take on a heavy, yet the tears were never ending. I suspect in a week or 2. Fear not, even though I don't play DUST, I'll be another voice fighting for the HMG to not get nerfed again. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 673	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:08:00 - [11] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I agree. I miss the days from early beta where you would come around the corner, see a heavy, and wonder where you would like to respawn next because your life would be over in half a second. Heavies should be absolutely terrifying in close quarters. A hulking tank of a man that kills anything within 30m in front of him. I wish it was 30m, but it's more like 20. {:)}{3GÇó>
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1692	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:08:00 - [12] - Quote Is it good now? Or will I still get owned by militia assault rifles in academy? Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 790	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:09:00 - [13] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: I believe no one is complaining because players that know how to face Heavies will just snipe away with their RRs. Back in Chromosome days there wasn't any RR, but people surely knew how to take on a heavy, yet the tears were never ending. I suspect in a week or 2. Fear not, even though I don't play DUST, I'll be another voice fighting for the HMG to not get nerfed again. Why don't you play anymore? You should come back and test the HMG for yourself and further let me know what's up with it. I'm relegated to playing only on Sundays so it'll be a while until I can test it out for myself.
Scalesdini The Surrogates Of War 200	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:10:00 - [14] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: I believe no one is complaining because players that know how to face Heavies will just snipe away with their RRs. Back in Chromosome days there wasn't any RR, but people surely knew how to take on a heavy, yet the tears were never ending. I suspect in a week or 2. Fear not, even though I don't play DUST, I'll be another voice fighting for the HMG to not get nerfed again. It pretty much did get nerfed again. Not sure how "less accurate but sprays more bullets in the same time period while overheating quicker" is a buff in anyone's eyes. Needs +5m range and HMG op changed back to heat buildup reduction at 3% per level instead of 5% per level, then maybe HMG will be good again.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1892	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:10:00 - [15] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: I believe no one is complaining because players that know how to face Heavies will just snipe away with their RRs. Back in Chromosome days there wasn't any RR, but people surely knew how to take on a heavy, yet the tears were never ending. I suspect in a week or 2. Fear not, even though I don't play DUST, I'll be another voice fighting for the HMG to not get nerfed again. If I can get you in a PC would you be interested in testing the HMG or did you get rid of the PS3? if you'd like to try on a PC match, I'm sure I can get you in it with fair warning. Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a normal person, if I seem like a douche it's because I hate 90% of people on these forums
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 306	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:13:00 - [16] - Quote Yeh, I the lack of QQing is because they're all still in shock from us becoming a massive menace overnight. Don't worry, as soon as it wears off the peace and quiet here is going to change severely. Let's all ready our counter arguments to soon to come HMG nurf threads.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4669	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:26:00 - [17] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: I believe no one is complaining because players that know how to face Heavies will just snipe away with their RRs. Back in Chromosome days there wasn't any RR, but people surely knew how to take on a heavy, yet the tears were never ending. I suspect in a week or 2. Fear not, even though I don't play DUST, I'll be another voice fighting for the HMG to not get nerfed again. Why don't you play anymore? You should come back and test the HMG for yourself and further let me know what's up with it. I'm relegated to playing only on Sundays so it'll be a while until I can test it out for myself. I just can't man. The game is so reliant on spam tactics. Get on a roof, spam FGs, get on a nanohive, spam nades, now it's spamming tanks. I stopped having fun in DUST since my class of choice became a chore to use rather than a joy. I can go on and on about the reasons I stopped playing, but I won't. I'm on PS4 now, playing KZ. Still hoping DUST comes to PS4. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1225	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:27:00 - [18] - Quote The crys of OP are basically because people are still used to nerfed anti-inf heavies. Now they are balanced as tactical area denial defenders. Equip a RR/CR and shoot them in the head from a distance. Or use a plasma cannon. Or get a heavy in your team. Yeah teamwork. If you run at someone with a HEAVY MACHINE GUN, you should die. Its a heavy machine gun. Heavy Machine Gun. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Thumb Green Novashift 587	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:39:00 - [19] - Quote I think people aren't "qq'ing" about the HMG because all the other weapons kill so fast now; the only difference the HMG buff makes to that is now the HMG kills fast too. Actually got a GG mail earlier today because I was using the HMG. Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1091	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:41:00 - [20] - Quote I'm happy for it. We all knew it was UP as f*ck. HMG users were considered "freebies" on the battlefield for kills.

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2230	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:48:00 - [21] - Quote I still think heavies need explosive damage resistance, and I saw a great thread the other day about having increased resistance for frontal damage on heavy suits. HMG buff is not enough. The logibro-heavy pair should be as powerful as two assault users working together (If anyone has seen the delaneys at work you know what I'm talking about) and currently they can't even compare. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 339	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:50:00 - [22] - Quote My beloved Burst is back. I Sacrifice all the victims to Lance, Exmaple and the other Fallen Heavy brother that left the game. Once the FORGE was with me. Now i belong to the Dark side...My Forge is called Imperial Scrambler.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4669	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:50:00 - [23] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I still think heavies need explosive damage resistance, and I saw a great thread the other day about having increased resistance for frontal damage on heavy suits. HMG buff is not enough. The logibro-heavy pair should be as powerful as two assault users working together (If anyone has seen the delaneys at work you know what I'm talking about) and currently they can't even compare. oh yea the class needs some sort of resistance skill imo. Built in, or as a bonus, or a skill. Can't have a "Sentinel" suit die to 1 nade... like, why even name the class that if he can't even withstand 1 nade. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1361	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:52:00 - [24] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I was expecting it... maybe the buff wasn't go(o)d enough. Maybe after a week of HMG molestation, assault players will start to chime in. There won't really be. heavies have had it bad almost as much as scouts. Those guys needed this. now maybe one day it will be my fellow scouts turn.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 724	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:06:00 - [25] - Quote Well. I think heavies have been screwed for so long everybody is at least letting them have a day to enjoy it. Plus, it's just natural that if someone in this huge armored suit carrying a freaking mini gun comes around the corner everything SHOULD just go slo mo and you need to kiss your arse goodbye. For me, it's finally time to stop putting off skilling rep tools to 5... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Ghost Kaisar Kinsho Swords Caldari State 1237	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:08:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Awry Barux wrote: I think the HMG is perfect now. As a logi defending a point earlier today, I was doing well against MLT kiddies and such- until a HMG heavy showed up and mopped the installation with my ragdoll. Finally, the feeling of "oh sh*t a HMG heavy" is back and it feels... right. I know, right? As soon as you see one coming at you you get a spike of adrenaline and the anticipation of a hard fight. I missed that. I love it. They SHRED people now, and fighting one is always a challenge. My scout runs from cover to cover trying to stay ahead of him, until I can circle around him and stab him in the back. Sometimes I lose when he turns in my direction and melts me in a spray of lead. Sometimes I win, and heavy gets knifed with no damage to me at all. It's fun. I learned very fast that I can't rush them point blank with knives anymore (used to be able to in 1.6). Aim for the back Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Ghost Kaisar Kinsho Swords Caldari State 1237	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:10:00 - [27] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I was expecting it... maybe the buff wasn't go(o)d enough. Maybe after a week of HMG molestation, assault players will start to chime in. There won't really be. heavies have had it bad almost as much as scouts. Those guys needed this. now maybe one day it will be my fellow scouts turn. Not sure about the other scouts but I love your buff! Hopefully the day can return where the heavy and scout can duke it out once more (Never face to face though. That would be horridly one sided) Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1613	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:11:00 - [28] - Quote OP DTAR > OP HMG? I'll be back on in a couple weeks. Then, the tears and blood will form rivers on Molden Heath. Alyssa Milano.
Cosgar ParagonX 8876	Posted - 2013.12.19 01:16:00 - [29] - Quote Wait until the Minmatar heavy comes out. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:04:00 - [30] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I was expecting it... maybe the buff wasn't go(o)d enough. Maybe after a week of HMG molestation, assault players will start to chime in. Still seeing some heavies using light weapons though .. sigh ...

Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 420	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:19:00 - [31] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I was expecting it... maybe the buff wasn't go(o)d enough. Maybe after a week of HMG molestation, assault players will start to chime in. Still seeing some heavies using light weapons though .. sigh ... Next time you see a heavy with a light make sure its not a commando, because they DO exist ya know. Otherwise feel free to mock them until their mommy reports you for internet bullying. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1337	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:20:00 - [32] - Quote I saw more than one heavy rocking the HMG today, some where much better than others and the ones with logi were doing well. I saw one fat kid mow down about six mercs in a row because they were just running in front of him like it was a pillow fight. I had an idiot fatty run towards me while I was shooting him with a LR from an Amarr assault. I overheated with him only having about 5% armor to go. Silly fat man, took an entire magazine from me and then I shot him up with a SMG, at least I don't smell like ketchup and cake any more. No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1680	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:27:00 - [33] - Quote I went up against the same Proto Caldari Logi 3 times in one match. First time I melted him when he tried to rush up close into my face. Second time I melted him at about 20 meters away. I yell into my mic "Caldari Logistics are no match for me!" Third time he ran around the corner, saw me, and proceeded to back up/run away. It was the most enjoyable thing ever. My voice over mic at the time was "Oh hey look it's the Caldari Logi back for...oh wait, he's running away! YES, THEY'RE LEARNING!". My entire squad busted out laughing. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
THE DRiZZLE AQUA TEEN KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 129	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:31:00 - [34] - Quote Stopped rocking the hmg months ago heavies are useless the only thing keeping a heavy in pc is forge and a good slayer can wipe a proto heavy logi combo I went ar and the new weapons because this game is ar 514. Forum jail bird next offence 6 month sentence.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4675	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:42:00 - [35] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I went up against the same Proto Caldari Logi 3 times in one match. First time I melted him when he tried to rush up close into my face. Second time I melted him at about 20 meters away. I yell into my mic "Caldari Logistics are no match for me!" Third time he ran around the corner, saw me, and proceeded to back up/run away. It was the most enjoyable thing ever. My voice over mic at the time was "Oh hey look it's the Caldari Logi back for...oh wait, he's running away! YES, THEY'RE LEARNING!". My entire squad busted out laughing. Sounds like the days of Chromosome where people tried to avoid heavies. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 339	Posted - 2013.12.19 02:51:00 - [36] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: The crys of OP are basically because people are still used to nerfed anti-inf heavies. Now they are balanced as tactical area denial defenders. Equip a RR/CR and shoot them in the head from a distance. Or use a plasma cannon. Or get a heavy in your team. Yeah teamwork. If you run at someone with a HEAVY MACHINE GUN, you should die. Its a heavy machine gun. Heavy Machine Gun. I hear tankers saying "You should run! ITS A TANK!" in the back of my head. And people hating that logic.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1318	Posted - 2013.12.19 03:26:00 - [37] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sounds like the days of Chromosome where people tried to avoid heavies. Basically, 1.7 HMG = Chromosome - Sharpshooter It's a freaking meat grinder at close range. More than it ever has been. If TTK felt short before, things just cease to exist as soon as you pull the trigger now. Brick-tanked logis are reduced to fine red mist before my shields are down. But there's virtually no change in effectiveness at the 30-40m range. This is the only reason I can argue this buff has been balanced. Though the Heavy community has argued for mid-range HMG effectiveness, CCP has now clearly shown that is not where they want the gun to be. It's a terrifying toe-to-toe bruiser that cannot be beaten in its kill zone, but has definite weakness at mid-long range. Seems like balance to me. GG, CCP. GG. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 300/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
prometheus actual Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 61	Posted - 2013.12.19 03:40:00 - [38] - Quote shhhhhhhhhhh, heavies are ok, nothing to see here. move along.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 846	Posted - 2013.12.19 03:43:00 - [39] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I was expecting it... maybe the buff wasn't go(o)d enough. Maybe after a week of HMG molestation, assault players will start to chime in. I was thinking the same thing. However, right now, heavies are FINALLY exactly where they need to be, and you won't hear a single complaint out of me unless we start seeing chromosome levels of range from it. Now they have great hit detection and enough damage and spread to be perfect for point defense/point assault. HEAVIES ARE BACK BITCHES! Time to pull my trusty Matari pwn sauce flinger outta the closet and oil that bad boy up for some serious WORK! PREPARE FOR A MIASMIC CLOUD OF FEAR THE LIKES OF WHICH HASN'T BEEN SEEN IN DUST SINCE CHROMOSOME! *PREPARE.... FOR THE RETURN OF THE HEAVY BLOB!!!* Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard! Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero


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