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Azri Sarum wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Respec is highly likely when racial bonuses come out.

It's one thing when you spec into something which gets nerfed later because it was OP, that's your own fault for picking it in the first place. This is what most people are QQing about, because numbers changed and they don't like it. So no Respec.

It's another thing when you were never given the option in the first place due to missing Racial variants, such as Gal/Cal/Min Heavies or Cal/Amarr scouts.

You have to understand that this game is incomplete, and they've admitted to that. They pushed it out before this stuff was done to meet that 5/14 release date. Because of that, not all the racial variants were in place, not all the 'baseline' weapons were in place, and the suit and vehicle bonuses were completely jacked up.

So while I dont think there should be a respec with the release of every new weapons or whatever, I think this is a reasonable case in which the game was not complete when you were making your initial choices, and when those holes are filled it, you should be able to decide if you want to pick the route previously unavailable to you.

Also I asked about this at a roundtable at Vegas and they said they were seriously considering respecs in the future. The exact details are of course unknown, but the release of the racial suits would make the most sense.

Respecs for new items will never happen. If anyone truly believes this they are delusional. We have gotten a trickle of new items since release. Flaylock, Plasma cannon, Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, etc. Not once did we get a respec for those, nor did we need one.

The smart players either have a pool of unspent SP waiting for new items, or start saving the moment they hear of something they want. This is why we saw many proto CR/RR on day one of 1.7. I know i was amongst those who had saved up in preparation.

What people have to understand is that we will always be skilling into things with new things on the horizon. There is no 'complete' state to this game. Its not your traditional shooter that releases and is done forever. There will be new stuff coming out year after year for the life of this game.

For an infantry respec to ever happen they would have to do something extremely disruptive to our trees. Complete reworks or deleting things kind of level. See vehicles if you need an example.

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Psyon Sebiestor FACTION WARFARE ARMY 16	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:11:00 - [1] - Quote Can we finally .. finally have the rest of the racial suits and weapons + an infantry respec .. I don't care about a player Market or anything else but this ... This includes racial bonuses on suits that are actually relevant as well .. rework the infantry tree to be more like the vehicle tree .. stop forcing us to waste SP in pointless skills that just open other skills and have no actual benefits themselves
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1342	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:12:00 - [2] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/sz6NkCv.jpg
Psyon Sebiestor FACTION WARFARE ARMY 16	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:14:00 - [3] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sz6NkCv.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6mpfOw4I5W_Z1NF5aa6efSHjiGv3nEB-k-RjuMIaXIB1-JG-i
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1342	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:17:00 - [4] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sz6NkCv.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6mpfOw4I5W_Z1NF5aa6efSHjiGv3nEB-k-RjuMIaXIB1-JG-i Nope. No reason for respec. Just save up.
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:19:00 - [5] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sz6NkCv.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6mpfOw4I5W_Z1NF5aa6efSHjiGv3nEB-k-RjuMIaXIB1-JG-i Nope. No reason for respec. Just save up. ?? Why no respecs ?
Psyon Sebiestor FACTION WARFARE ARMY 18	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:23:00 - [6] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sz6NkCv.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6mpfOw4I5W_Z1NF5aa6efSHjiGv3nEB-k-RjuMIaXIB1-JG-i Nope. No reason for respec. Just save up. Infantry skill tree needs completely reworking and that would merit a respec .. you have nothign to back your argument up so ... http://jinxiesworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/no_seriously_fuck_off.jpg PS http://mariebernadettesbored.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/jesuslovesyoubutithinkyoureacunt.jpg
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3347	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:26:00 - [7] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Can we finally .. finally have the rest of the racial suits and weapons + an infantry respec .. I don't care about a player Market or anything else but this ... This includes racial bonuses on suits that are actually relevant as well .. rework the infantry tree to be more like the vehicle tree .. stop forcing us to waste SP in pointless skills that just open other skills and have no actual benefits themselves +1 AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 723	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:28:00 - [8] - Quote I'm no fan of respecs in general but it certainly would make no sense to suddenly complete the enitre dropsuit skill tree and not give one. That's the one totally legit reason for one left! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1346	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:33:00 - [9] - Quote Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sz6NkCv.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6mpfOw4I5W_Z1NF5aa6efSHjiGv3nEB-k-RjuMIaXIB1-JG-i Nope. No reason for respec. Just save up. Infantry skill tree needs completely reworking and that would merit a respec .. you have nothign to back your argument up so ... http://jinxiesworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/no_seriously_fuck_off.jpg PS http://mariebernadettesbored.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/jesuslovesyoubutithinkyoureacunt.jpg You get unlimited SP. Nothing stops you from skilling everything. Deal with it. No respecs.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1242	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:34:00 - [10] - Quote Respec is highly likely when racial bonuses come out. It's one thing when you spec into something which gets nerfed later because it was OP, that's your own fault for picking it in the first place. This is what most people are QQing about, because numbers changed and they don't like it. So no Respec. It's another thing when you were never given the option in the first place due to missing Racial variants, such as Gal/Cal/Min Heavies or Cal/Amarr scouts. You have to understand that this game is incomplete, and they've admitted to that. They pushed it out before this stuff was done to meet that 5/14 release date. Because of that, not all the racial variants were in place, not all the 'baseline' weapons were in place, and the suit and vehicle bonuses were completely jacked up. So while I dont think there should be a respec with the release of every new weapons or whatever, I think this is a reasonable case in which the game was not complete when you were making your initial choices, and when those holes are filled it, you should be able to decide if you want to pick the route previously unavailable to you. Also I asked about this at a roundtable at Vegas and they said they were seriously considering respecs in the future. The exact details are of course unknown, but the release of the racial suits would make the most sense. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1346	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:37:00 - [11] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: It's another thing when you were never given the option in the first place due to missing Racial variants, such as Gal/Cal/Min Heavies or Cal/Amarr scouts. New items are no reason for allowing a respec. They didn't give one when the CR and RR came out for a very good reason. They won't give one for new Dropsuits. Unless they are reworking the way the infantry skilltree works there won't be a respec. If you want the new suits better save up your SP now.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1242	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:40:00 - [12] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: It's another thing when you were never given the option in the first place due to missing Racial variants, such as Gal/Cal/Min Heavies or Cal/Amarr scouts. New items are no reason for allowing a respec. They didn't give one when the CR and RR came out for a very good reason. They won't give one for new Dropsuits. Unless they are reworking the way the infantry skilltree works there won't be a respec. If you want the new suits better save up your SP now. Why respec the guns when the racial suits are still on the way? And I never let my unallocated drop below 8 million. EDIT: Let me put it this way. Say someone wanted to be a shield heavy? Should they just never spec into heavy suits for a year until the racial variants come out? ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Psyon Sebiestor FACTION WARFARE ARMY 20	Posted - 2013.12.18 22:52:00 - [13] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Psyon Sebiestor wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: http://i.imgur.com/sz6NkCv.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6mpfOw4I5W_Z1NF5aa6efSHjiGv3nEB-k-RjuMIaXIB1-JG-i Nope. No reason for respec. Just save up. Infantry skill tree needs completely reworking and that would merit a respec .. you have nothign to back your argument up so ... http://jinxiesworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/no_seriously_fuck_off.jpg PS http://mariebernadettesbored.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/jesuslovesyoubutithinkyoureacunt.jpg You get unlimited SP. Nothing stops you from skilling everything. Deal with it. No respecs. LMAO how exactly is that backing up your argument ? There is no point selling your old house when you buy a new house because you are constantly gaining money it is unlimited .. Facepalm It is the weakest argument I have ever heard xD PS Scrubs like you really p1ss me off .. who died and made you God ? I don;t give a flying fck if YOU say no to respecs or deal with it .. your a fcking nobody so how about you take that opinion of yours and shove it where the sun doesn't shine .. either put some thought into your point of view and come and back it up with some actual reasons so we can have a discussion or get bent, I don;t want to hear anymore of this No .. deal with it BS
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1970	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:06:00 - [14] - Quote vehicle are working completely different as they did before. The infantry side however only had 2 guns added to it which has beeing announced like 1 1/2 months before they got implemented with stats etc. Lets say CCP implements the other racial suits and announces them like 2 months before they add them. You would punish the players who saved their SP up in that time and give the lazy guys free ticket to spec into the next FOTM. people who have the patience to save SP after something got announced are the winners. I for example saved up like 2 million SP when the new rifles got announced. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:19:00 - [15] - Quote I'm a no vote on respecs. A reworked and respecced infantry tree would have the skills revalued SP wise, therin hurting my ability to just keep what I have already specced into. I also agree it fraudulently rewards players who wouldn't/couldn't/didn't do some very basic maths and enable FOTM chasers, creating extremely lopsided suit types on the ground. Finish adding the variants and balance them properly YES, full respec, NO. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
CAELAN Andoril Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:36:00 - [16] - Quote I vote wait until all the suits are out, then give a final respec. Not everyone has millions of SP. Not everyone is a closed beta vet. Yes, there are people who abuse it, and yes, people's actions have consequences. But this isn't because of FOTM chasers or tryhards or any of that. This is because the game is incomplete, it's as simple as that. Once they actually finish the game, give everyone one respec and then no more. I don't care how much CCP tries to say otherwise, this game isn't even in beta, we're still in alpha. Until the game's actually finished, our actions should have barely any consequence, in-game or in-universe. In and out of hiatus frequently.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis De Novo 323	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:41:00 - [17] - Quote I have over 30 million sp please give me a respec it won't help me at all muhahahaha We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1385	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:47:00 - [18] - Quote Ok, first off, the OP is asking for a complete tree rework. With that in mind, let me continue. dark cloud, you obviously didn't read the OP. You are slinging mud at him as if he just asked for a respec because of the new rifles. If he WERE, I'd be right there with you, but because you didn't read the OP, and as a vehicle player who not two weeks ago got a similar rework and respec, you are just being an *******. To Aikuchi, you are being an idiot. I don't like the idea of respecs in the slightest, but if they completely change the entire set of infantry trees the way they did the vehicle ones, I'd be telling you to stuff it. If they just add new stuff without changing the current, I'd be right there with you. If they do change them, I don't want Minmatar Logistics V if the bonus changes to something I don't care about, like +1% to speed per level. That isn't what I invested in, so I shouldn't have over 2mil SP stuck there. If they change the whole tree setup as well, they HAVE to give your SP back. I don't want my V in Systems Hacking if there is no longer a Systems Hacking skill. Shields as Weapons
Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 213	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:56:00 - [19] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Respec is highly likely when racial bonuses come out. It's one thing when you spec into something which gets nerfed later because it was OP, that's your own fault for picking it in the first place. This is what most people are QQing about, because numbers changed and they don't like it. So no Respec. It's another thing when you were never given the option in the first place due to missing Racial variants, such as Gal/Cal/Min Heavies or Cal/Amarr scouts. You have to understand that this game is incomplete, and they've admitted to that. They pushed it out before this stuff was done to meet that 5/14 release date. Because of that, not all the racial variants were in place, not all the 'baseline' weapons were in place, and the suit and vehicle bonuses were completely jacked up. So while I dont think there should be a respec with the release of every new weapons or whatever, I think this is a reasonable case in which the game was not complete when you were making your initial choices, and when those holes are filled it, you should be able to decide if you want to pick the route previously unavailable to you. Also I asked about this at a roundtable at Vegas and they said they were seriously considering respecs in the future. The exact details are of course unknown, but the release of the racial suits would make the most sense. Respecs for new items will never happen. If anyone truly believes this they are delusional. We have gotten a trickle of new items since release. Flaylock, Plasma cannon, Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, etc. Not once did we get a respec for those, nor did we need one. The smart players either have a pool of unspent SP waiting for new items, or start saving the moment they hear of something they want. This is why we saw many proto CR/RR on day one of 1.7. I know i was amongst those who had saved up in preparation. What people have to understand is that we will always be skilling into things with new things on the horizon. There is no 'complete' state to this game. Its not your traditional shooter that releases and is done forever. There will be new stuff coming out year after year for the life of this game. For an infantry respec to ever happen they would have to do something extremely disruptive to our trees. Complete reworks or deleting things kind of level. See vehicles if you need an example. EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1244	Posted - 2013.12.18 23:59:00 - [20] - Quote Azri Sarum wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Respec is highly likely when racial bonuses come out. It's one thing when you spec into something which gets nerfed later because it was OP, that's your own fault for picking it in the first place. This is what most people are QQing about, because numbers changed and they don't like it. So no Respec. It's another thing when you were never given the option in the first place due to missing Racial variants, such as Gal/Cal/Min Heavies or Cal/Amarr scouts. You have to understand that this game is incomplete, and they've admitted to that. They pushed it out before this stuff was done to meet that 5/14 release date. Because of that, not all the racial variants were in place, not all the 'baseline' weapons were in place, and the suit and vehicle bonuses were completely jacked up. So while I dont think there should be a respec with the release of every new weapons or whatever, I think this is a reasonable case in which the game was not complete when you were making your initial choices, and when those holes are filled it, you should be able to decide if you want to pick the route previously unavailable to you. Also I asked about this at a roundtable at Vegas and they said they were seriously considering respecs in the future. The exact details are of course unknown, but the release of the racial suits would make the most sense. Respecs for new items will never happen. If anyone truly believes this they are delusional. We have gotten a trickle of new items since release. Flaylock, Plasma cannon, Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, etc. Not once did we get a respec for those, nor did we need one. The smart players either have a pool of unspent SP waiting for new items, or start saving the moment they hear of something they want. This is why we saw many proto CR/RR on day one of 1.7. I know i was amongst those who had saved up in preparation. What people have to understand is that we will always be skilling into things with new things on the horizon. There is no 'complete' state to this game. Its not your traditional shooter that releases and is done forever. There will be new stuff coming out year after year for the life of this game. For an infantry respec to ever happen they would have to do something extremely disruptive to our trees. Complete reworks or deleting things kind of level. See vehicles if you need an example. Right. I mean I just heard it directly from the Creative Director's mouth sitting next to me, but what do I know? ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes

Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 562	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:02:00 - [21] - Quote Hey, Don't expect 1.8 to be a "huge"patch like we saw in 1.7. They will probably add more stuff in march-april... right before fanfest. A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4226	Posted - 2013.12.19 00:21:00 - [22] - Quote When the final racial Rifle variants were released, I was all for a respec of AR and Scrambler investment, and THOSE SKILLS ONLY. I would still be all for that happening, but people who have already bought the new RR and CR skills? Those should stay. When they release the remaining racial Dropsuit variants, I want to see a major rework of the skill tree, either alongside the release of a short time before, and at that time, I'd like to see a resepc given for all infantry skills, much like the one we recently had for vehicles. And no, I don't think these requests are unreasonable, because they are - much like the reasoning behind the respec for "release" (hahaha yeah right) and the vehicle respec - massive changes and a lot of new/changed content.


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