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Ivy Zalinto
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
170
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Posted - 2013.12.18 16:54:00 -
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Ive noticed lately that tankers often fit active scanners now, and my squadmate whom I was using as a test subject was constantly getting scanned was easy proof of this. Not to mention the big flashy scanner animation on the tanks now. Just about any armor tank runs these things. Now for my gatherings about this.
If you can get a tank eager for a kill with a decoy that can actually stay alive, like a long swarm user of the lower variety so it just seems like a given. This has worked the best for results so far; you can actually get a tank to hold still sometimes. Thats when I should see people strike. No more of this shooting at them with your assault rifles and things that just dont do damage to tanks. Sneak up on them and plant 3 of any remote charge on their tank and watch for their hardener to go down.
Last night I successfully killed 5-6 tanks using this tactic within 3 matches. The scout suit with a single enhanced dampener at my level avoids all but prototype scanners so Im never on a tanks radar. It just seems to be a role that has surfaced from the massive increase in vehicle use.
It is also very fun to plant explosives on a hacking targets lav and wait for them to finish and start driving away before blowing them up. I can counterhack from 60% of the upload completion without problem solo anyway. Just saying, quite fun to watch them drive off, hit a jump and press a button mid air to kill a proto in their car. Bonus points for their teammates being in the car with them. Quite literally in fact.
Dedicated scout.
New player tutor; scout instructor
Scrambler Pistol dedication
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1299
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Posted - 2013.12.18 16:59:00 -
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I've been seeing several encouraging Scout posts lately. Between this and the surprisingly effective Scout/Combat Rifle combo, I'll have to get my Dragonfly out and give it another go.
Looks like 1.7 is turning out to be a bit kinder to the fatties and skinnies than I thought it'd be.
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Ivy Zalinto
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
172
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:01:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:I've been seeing several encouraging Scout posts lately. Between this and the surprisingly effective Scout/Combat Rifle combo, I'll have to get my Dragonfly out and give it another go.
Looks like 1.7 is turning out to be a bit kinder to the fatties and skinnies than I thought it'd be. The rail rifles actually work really well too for a ranged scout. Picking people off is pretty easy for my stealth hacking build using the advanced rail. I actually run a valor myself.
Dedicated scout.
New player tutor; scout instructor
Scrambler Pistol dedication
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
2326
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:01:00 -
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Scouts are turning into the recons of dust. C4ing tanks left and right. :D
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Ivy Zalinto
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
172
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:02:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Scouts are turning into the recons of dust. C4ing tanks left and right. :D gg last night. Had you in my team. Cant remember if we won or not but I was going full out attrition against all foes I saw.
Dedicated scout.
New player tutor; scout instructor
Scrambler Pistol dedication
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2242
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:05:00 -
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Vehicle scanners are only 35 dB which is not hard for a scout to avoid. Just having scout 5 should be enough to take you off their scanners.
I may try a scout tank buster fit.
// Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2703
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:09:00 -
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This isn't unforseen. I've been waiting for this moment since before I even put my first points into REs.
No.
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
377
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:12:00 -
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Had my first tank/RE kill yesterday in a medium suit with a basic dampener. What a rush! Left node C after a quick outfit swap (shotty scout to somewhat-sneaky medium RR build) and heard a tank approaching. Spotted the tank and figured, "What the hell, why run back and change to proto AV? Let's try out the RES!" While the rail tank focused on taking out the railgun turret next to C, I made my way around the silo-looking building across from C and calmly walked up behind the tank and threw my three REs on the back of it. Slunk back around the structure and BOOM! one dead tank, two dead reds. My new favorite moment in the game. Now I'll just have to try it out with a scout build...
Life is killing me.
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Ivy Zalinto
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
173
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:16:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Had my first tank/RE kill yesterday in a medium suit with a basic dampener. What a rush! Left node C after a quick outfit swap (shotty scout to somewhat-sneaky medium RR build) and heard a tank approaching. Spotted the tank and figured, "What the hell, why run back and change to proto AV? Let's try out the RES!" While the rail tank focused on taking out the railgun turret next to C, I made my way around the silo-looking building across from C and calmly walked up behind the tank and threw my three REs on the back of it. Slunk back around the structure and BOOM! one dead tank, two dead reds. My new favorite moment in the game. Now I'll just have to try it out with a scout build... You should play scout with your re's as an aggressive type character. You can pull off some really cool killfeeds when you are focused on getting through an area and planting re's rather than directly engaging. Got 7 off a cluster in one match. It looked like an orbital on the feed
Dedicated scout.
New player tutor; scout instructor
Scrambler Pistol dedication
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
736
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:57:00 -
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TBQH
I always thought the light-weapons were to be used by scouts.
They're too "weak" to be used by the heavies and medium suits don't do it well enough if the vehicles get out of range...
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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Canis Ferox
Ultramarine Corp
12
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:05:00 -
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Thank you for this Zalinto - as my previous, hlariously named 'TANK KILLER' fit is now utterly redundant and I have recently into scouts - without having had much cause to use them - I will look forward to trying this tonight with more eagerness than a rescue puppy waiting for Christmas day.
Sticky bombs have to be the finest thing about 1.7. I still haven't done a Al Qieda LAV, demo-truck, kamikaze! "Durka durka, Islama Jihad!"
+1 for you sir, Merry Christmas. |
Ivy Zalinto
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
175
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:08:00 -
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Canis Ferox wrote:Thank you for this Zalinto - as my previous, hlariously named 'TANK KILLER' fit is now utterly redundant and I have recently into scouts - without having had much cause to use them - I will look forward to trying this tonight with more eagerness than a rescue puppy waiting for Christmas day.
Sticky bombs have to be the finest thing about 1.7. I still haven't done a Al Qieda LAV, demo-truck, kamikaze! "Durka durka, Islama Jihad!"
+1 for you sir, Merry Christmas. If your going to try this remember that misdirection is the key to victory in this. Have someone be a rabbit to move the tank into a position that benefits you, then place three on the rear of the tank if possible though anywhere will work. Never move for the front of the tank and keep to the turrets blind side. If its not possible to hide or there's a lot of open ground, abort your mission and keep waiting for an opportunity that benefits you. This is how a scout should always operate.
Dedicated scout.
New player tutor; scout instructor
Scrambler Pistol dedication
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ResistanceGTA
Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden
76
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:14:00 -
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I've really been thinking about getting into the scout, always thought it would be fun. Killing these tanks with Boundless RE's on my dragonfly... Really want a proto suit to do it better.
Dang it, now I'm gonna get a proto scout suit. I'm feeling Gal, any suggestions almighty scout gods? |
Ivy Zalinto
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
176
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:18:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:I've really been thinking about getting into the scout, always thought it would be fun. Killing these tanks with Boundless RE's on my dragonfly... Really want a proto suit to do it better.
Dang it, now I'm gonna get a proto scout suit. I'm feeling Gal, any suggestions almighty scout gods? Proto scout is a long way honestly. If your going to be a scout, core skills need to be topped off, you need to take a weapon that has heavy damage spikes due to your thinner armor. You need to kill quick. What else....invest in profile dampening at least to three. Id run one weapon, dont bother with a damage mod, you need all your cpu and other things generally for your utility slots, like a profile dampener and a codebreaker in my case. I cant fit even a basic mod on my main suit.
Dedicated scout.
New player tutor; scout instructor
Scrambler Pistol dedication
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
886
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:19:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:I've been seeing several encouraging Scout posts lately. Between this and the surprisingly effective Scout/Combat Rifle combo, I'll have to get my Dragonfly out and give it another go.
Looks like 1.7 is turning out to be a bit kinder to the fatties and skinnies than I thought it'd be.
I like your dig. That last parts duct tape? Wanted to make sure I was laughing for the right reasons. |
Green Living
Scions of Athra
1076
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:19:00 -
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Just made my Scout Tank Hunter after seeing this thread. Everyone post their load outs!
Federation Scout gk.0
Enhanced Shield
M209 Assault SubMachine Gun Toxin Sub Machine Gun
Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades
F/45 Remote Explosives
2 Complex Kin Cats ( To keep up with tank speed ) 1 Complex Cardio Regulator 1 Enhanced Profile Dampner |
pseudosnipre
402
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:22:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:Ive noticed lately that tankers often fit active scanners now, and my squadmate whom I was using as a test subject was constantly getting scanned was easy proof of this. Not to mention the big flashy scanner animation on the tanks now. Just about any armor tank runs these things. Now for my gatherings about this.
If you can get a tank eager for a kill with a decoy that can actually stay alive, like a long swarm user of the lower variety so it just seems like a given. This has worked the best for results so far; you can actually get a tank to hold still sometimes. Thats when I should see people strike. No more of this shooting at them with your assault rifles and things that just dont do damage to tanks. Sneak up on them and plant 3 of any remote charge on their tank and watch for their hardener to go down.
Last night I successfully killed 5-6 tanks using this tactic within 3 matches. The scout suit with a single enhanced dampener at my level avoids all but prototype scanners so Im never on a tanks radar. It just seems to be a role that has surfaced from the massive increase in vehicle use.
It is also very fun to plant explosives on a hacking targets lav and wait for them to finish and start driving away before blowing them up. I can counterhack from 60% of the upload completion without problem solo anyway. Just saying, quite fun to watch them drive off, hit a jump and press a button mid air to kill a proto in their car. Bonus points for their teammates being in the car with them. Quite literally in fact. Had used hive + AV spam successfully on a scout suit before 1.7 made REs sticky. =)
Now I've swapped out for flux and REs. Happily, a lot more mercs are dropping hives these days as well...easy RE resupply.
Sockets featuring recessed null cannon letter and the three ramps make for easy RE rain as well. All within 50m of a supply depot!
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
133
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:45:00 -
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Damn, you're giving away good secrets!
Did something similar in the last build when REs weren't sticky, and have done it again as you describe in 1.7.
Works like a champ to those inexperienced tankers who haven't learned not to stay still yet.
I hope they never learn. :) |
Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.12.18 19:29:00 -
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And this is why you should never instantly start whining after a patch. Normally it takes about a month for the metagame to settle down. Then again, you'd need to wait ten years between each patch if you want to be 100% that no one suddenly invents a killer strategy that balances the entire game.
Anyway, the AV role for scouts seems very nice. (It makes me afraid of the cloaking device that is supposed to come, though) Now we just need to do something about dedicated AV weapons. Why the hell do those even exist right now? You can have three dudes swarming a tank from all sides and die horribly even after firing an entire magazine each. I LIKE the way the tanks are right now. I only dislike the fact that "Anti-vehicle" is currently a blatant lie for infantry equipment.
Let's fool around some more and see if there are other new loopholes in the system. |
Ghost Kaisar
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
1233
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Posted - 2013.12.18 19:30:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Scouts are turning into the recons of dust. C4ing tanks left and right. :D
And I'm fine with this.
My scout now runs SMG/Knives, RE's, Fluxes and speed/stamina. It's the same fit I ran in 1.5-1.6, just far more effective now.
Also, I can't wait for the cloak.. Put a cloak on the above fit and that's what I will be running when they drop.
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
431
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Posted - 2013.12.18 19:32:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:Ive noticed lately that tankers often fit active scanners now, and my squadmate whom I was using as a test subject was constantly getting scanned was easy proof of this. Not to mention the big flashy scanner animation on the tanks now. Just about any armor tank runs these things. Now for my gatherings about this.
If you can get a tank eager for a kill with a decoy that can actually stay alive, like a swarm user of the lower variety so it just seems like a given. This has worked the best for results so far; you can actually get a tank to hold still sometimes. Thats when I should see people strike. No more of this shooting at them with your assault rifles and things that just dont do damage to tanks. Sneak up on them and plant 3 of any remote charge on their tank and watch for their hardener to go down.
Last night I successfully killed 5-6 tanks using this tactic within 3 matches. The scout suit with a single enhanced dampener at my level avoids all but prototype scanners so Im never on a tanks radar. It just seems to be a role that has surfaced from the massive increase in vehicle use.
It is also very fun to plant explosives on a hacking targets lav and wait for them to finish and start driving away before blowing them up. I can counterhack from 60% of the upload completion without problem solo anyway. Just saying, quite fun to watch them drive off, hit a jump and press a button mid air to kill a proto in their car. Bonus points for their teammates being in the car with them. Quite literally in fact.
Please spread the good word my friend.
I keep telling people that my tanks do in fact get killed quite often yet people dont seem to believe me.
Right now:
Railguns + Railgun installations = good against tanks
RE`s in any form = good against tanks
Forgeguns = good against tanks if you have the proto forges
Right now it is only the Swarms that are sub standard against tanks but any class suit can fit these so I deem it ok-ish. (Unlike the forge gun that has to be fitted to a slow moving large hitbox heavy suit) |
Ghost Kaisar
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
1233
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Posted - 2013.12.18 19:32:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Just made my Scout Tank Hunter after seeing this thread. Everyone post their load outs!
Federation Scout gk.0
Enhanced Shield
M209 Assault SubMachine Gun Toxin Sub Machine Gun
Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades
F/45 Remote Explosives
2 Complex Kin Cats ( To keep up with tank speed ) 1 Complex Cardio Regulator 1 Enhanced Profile Dampner
Here is mine. Made to kill those shield tanks.
Scout M-1 Series
Basic Shield Enhanced Light damage mod
Federation KLA Plasma Cannon Basic SMG
AV Nades Remote Explosives
CPU upgrade Adv Speed
Works really well for busting tanks.
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:05:00 -
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I really hope this role stays in the game and isn't removed by the inevitable tank nerf. I like the idea of infantry-based AV killing LAVs and dropships, while tanks are either killed by swarms of AV infantry or by scouts who need to get into melee range.
This creates an additional layer of defensive properties for the vehicle types - The ones with flimsy armor can be reliably taken out at range, but are capable of escaping speedily to safety, while the ones with strong armor can and need to protect themselves via point defense guns. (As infantry escorts simply can't keep up) Which means teamwork and additional costs if a tanker doesn't want to be disposable and occupies team members that could be used elsewhere. Let's hope vehicle scanners aren't buffed later on. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1694
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:13:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:I've been seeing several encouraging Scout posts lately. Between this and the surprisingly effective Scout/Combat Rifle combo, I'll have to get my Dragonfly out and give it another go.
Looks like 1.7 is turning out to be a bit kinder to the fatties and skinnies than I thought it'd be. Assault CR has more alpha damage than a shotgun, I guess that's why you are seeing more.
Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity.
GÿåTank driverGÿå
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
636
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:37:00 -
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RE's stick now!? Well it's time to put those Minmitar LPs to use(have yet to spec into RE's).
Scout Tactician
"You have been Scanned"
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
316
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:41:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:Ive noticed lately that tankers often fit active scanners now, and my squadmate whom I was using as a test subject was constantly getting scanned was easy proof of this. Not to mention the big flashy scanner animation on the tanks now. Just about any armor tank runs these things. Now for my gatherings about this.
If you can get a tank eager for a kill with a decoy that can actually stay alive, like a swarm user of the lower variety so it just seems like a given. This has worked the best for results so far; you can actually get a tank to hold still sometimes. Thats when I should see people strike. No more of this shooting at them with your assault rifles and things that just dont do damage to tanks. Sneak up on them and plant 3 of any remote charge on their tank and watch for their hardener to go down.
Last night I successfully killed 5-6 tanks using this tactic within 3 matches. The scout suit with a single enhanced dampener at my level avoids all but prototype scanners so Im never on a tanks radar. It just seems to be a role that has surfaced from the massive increase in vehicle use.
It is also very fun to plant explosives on a hacking targets lav and wait for them to finish and start driving away before blowing them up. I can counterhack from 60% of the upload completion without problem solo anyway. Just saying, quite fun to watch them drive off, hit a jump and press a button mid air to kill a proto in their car. Bonus points for their teammates being in the car with them. Quite literally in fact.
I like.
I'll tell you what, if you secretly plant explosives on my tank, the first thing I'm doing when out of nowhere my tank blows up, is give you a kiss.
Probably a giant GG and some isk as well.
Nuff Said
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
316
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Posted - 2013.12.19 21:43:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Ivy Zalinto wrote:Ive noticed lately that tankers often fit active scanners now, and my squadmate whom I was using as a test subject was constantly getting scanned was easy proof of this. Not to mention the big flashy scanner animation on the tanks now. Just about any armor tank runs these things. Now for my gatherings about this.
If you can get a tank eager for a kill with a decoy that can actually stay alive, like a swarm user of the lower variety so it just seems like a given. This has worked the best for results so far; you can actually get a tank to hold still sometimes. Thats when I should see people strike. No more of this shooting at them with your assault rifles and things that just dont do damage to tanks. Sneak up on them and plant 3 of any remote charge on their tank and watch for their hardener to go down.
Last night I successfully killed 5-6 tanks using this tactic within 3 matches. The scout suit with a single enhanced dampener at my level avoids all but prototype scanners so Im never on a tanks radar. It just seems to be a role that has surfaced from the massive increase in vehicle use.
It is also very fun to plant explosives on a hacking targets lav and wait for them to finish and start driving away before blowing them up. I can counterhack from 60% of the upload completion without problem solo anyway. Just saying, quite fun to watch them drive off, hit a jump and press a button mid air to kill a proto in their car. Bonus points for their teammates being in the car with them. Quite literally in fact. Please spread the good word my friend. I keep telling people that my tanks do in fact get killed quite often yet people dont seem to believe me. Right now: Railguns + Railgun installations = good against tanks RE`s in any form = good against tanks Forgeguns = good against tanks if you have the proto forges Right now it is only the Swarms that are sub standard against tanks but any class suit can fit these so I deem it ok-ish. (Unlike the forge gun that has to be fitted to a slow moving large hitbox heavy suit)
More than once, I've been killed by those turrets. They are incredibly useful now!
Nuff Said
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