DUST Search - [Video] Why Profile Dampening is pointless.

Maken Tosch wrote:

Anmol Singh wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Last time I checked, hiding behind a hill masks your profile from the enemy precision scan. This video just confirms my theory.

Also, the built-in base precision of your suit is only meant to pick up most medium and heavy frames. They were never meant to pick up light frames like the scouts. You can try to augment the precision scan to get maybe a scout with a standard profile level, but you're never gonna be able to track a proto scout. Nothing wrong with that.

EDIT:

If you're talking about being spotted beyond the 10m range, he was within your line of sight which means he will light up regardless on the mini map. By the way, the passive scan range for scouts has been recently buffed to 16m now.

They buff the passive scan to 16m, great, still cannot see a heavy right behind me....

Then you're doing something wrong. If he's hiding behind a hill, that might explain why. But if he's hiding behind a man-made wall, then it's pretty obvious he did everything he can to reduce his profile. But even then, a fatty shouldn't be able to hide from me. What is your current fitting?

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Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4167	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:13:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nu8C7dIQg Your suit's precision should have to beat their suit's profile for this to happen. Had posted this in the past but I figure it needs to be brought back up. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 856	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:26:00 - [2] - Quote Nerf eyes. Nose is fine *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5923	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:33:00 - [4] - Quote Last time I checked, hiding behind a hill masks your profile from the enemy precision scan. This video just confirms my theory. Also, the built-in base precision of your suit is only meant to pick up most medium and heavy frames. They were never meant to pick up light frames like the scouts. You can try to augment the precision scan to get maybe a scout with a standard profile level, but you're never gonna be able to track a proto scout. Nothing wrong with that. EDIT: If you're talking about being spotted beyond the 10m range, he was withing your line of sight which means he will light up regardless on the mini map. By the way, the passive scan range for scouts has been recently buffed to 16m now. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 560	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:40:00 - [5] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nu8C7dIQg Your suit's precision should have to beat their suit's profile for this to happen. Had posted this in the past but I figure it needs to be brought back up. This is why i suck!! *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 560	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:43:00 - [6] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Last time I checked, hiding behind a hill masks your profile from the enemy precision scan. This video just confirms my theory. Also, the built-in base precision of your suit is only meant to pick up most medium and heavy frames. They were never meant to pick up light frames like the scouts. You can try to augment the precision scan to get maybe a scout with a standard profile level, but you're never gonna be able to track a proto scout. Nothing wrong with that. EDIT: If you're talking about being spotted beyond the 10m range, he was within your line of sight which means he will light up regardless on the mini map. By the way, the passive scan range for scouts has been recently buffed to 16m now. They buff the passive scan to 16m, great, still cannot see a heavy right behind me.... *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5923	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:45:00 - [7] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Last time I checked, hiding behind a hill masks your profile from the enemy precision scan. This video just confirms my theory. Also, the built-in base precision of your suit is only meant to pick up most medium and heavy frames. They were never meant to pick up light frames like the scouts. You can try to augment the precision scan to get maybe a scout with a standard profile level, but you're never gonna be able to track a proto scout. Nothing wrong with that. EDIT: If you're talking about being spotted beyond the 10m range, he was within your line of sight which means he will light up regardless on the mini map. By the way, the passive scan range for scouts has been recently buffed to 16m now. They buff the passive scan to 16m, great, still cannot see a heavy right behind me.... Then you're doing something wrong. If he's hiding behind a hill, that might explain why. But if he's hiding behind a man-made wall, then it's pretty obvious he did everything he can to reduce his profile. But even then, a fatty shouldn't be able to hide from me. What is your current fitting? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
mollerz Minja Scouts 1375	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:51:00 - [8] - Quote MAken- there is no way they are calculating walls and LOS proper. I can;t see tanks rolling around, heavies, they can see me lots of times through walls and I am a scout skill/p damp lv 5 figga minja. tacnet is totally not working. #shittycoding
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 75	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:51:00 - [9] - Quote You should by able to HEAR a heavy behind you, I should start using my headphones again. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT You'd just LOVE to think it was the wind. Dropship Extremist
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 561	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:52:00 - [10] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Last time I checked, hiding behind a hill masks your profile from the enemy precision scan. This video just confirms my theory. Also, the built-in base precision of your suit is only meant to pick up most medium and heavy frames. They were never meant to pick up light frames like the scouts. You can try to augment the precision scan to get maybe a scout with a standard profile level, but you're never gonna be able to track a proto scout. Nothing wrong with that. EDIT: If you're talking about being spotted beyond the 10m range, he was within your line of sight which means he will light up regardless on the mini map. By the way, the passive scan range for scouts has been recently buffed to 16m now. They buff the passive scan to 16m, great, still cannot see a heavy right behind me.... Then you're doing something wrong. If he's hiding behind a hill, that might explain why. But if he's hiding behind a man-made wall, then it's pretty obvious he did everything he can to reduce his profile. But even then, a fatty shouldn't be able to hide from me. What is your current fitting? Proto mini scout, 3 complex shields, k-5 SG, proto flaylock, complex kin katz and one enhanced damp... *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5924	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:53:00 - [11] - Quote I just ran the numbers. Scout Mk.0 with the most high slots for a scout class currently can be augmented to have a precision scan of 23.71 dB using complex precision enhancers. Commando Ak.0 with most low slots for a heavy class currently can be augmented to have a scan profile of 27.36 dB using all complex profile dampeners. You should not be able to have a problem seeing him. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5924	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:55:00 - [12] - Quote mollerz wrote: MAken- there is no way they are calculating walls and LOS proper. I can;t see tanks rolling around, heavies, they can see me lots of times through walls and I am a scout skill/p damp lv 5 figga minja. tacnet is totally not working. Hmm... is this a recent problem with 1.7 because I haven't been able to log back in since I no longer have a PS3. Back in 1.6 when I had it I was having no problem at all seeing heavies behind me. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5924	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:56:00 - [13] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Proto mini scout, 3 complex shields, k-5 SG, proto flaylock, complex kin katz and one enhanced damp... That explained it then. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 68	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:57:00 - [14] - Quote I'm level 3 in profile dampening and on my Min Logi I put on 3 basic profile dampeners and a complex armor plate. My profile level after the math is said and done would be about 29 dB (decibel). This means that tanks cannot scan me out and scouts will fail to pick me up only if they did not skill into scan precision. So either your dB (decibel) on your dropsuit is still high or your profile dampening level is too low.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 561	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:58:00 - [15] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Proto mini scout, 3 complex shields, k-5 SG, proto flaylock, complex kin katz and one enhanced damp... That explained it then. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG!! INJECT ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE! *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1217	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:58:00 - [16] - Quote I only see people these days when Im pointing at the them with my crosshair. I can have a tank 5 meters from me and not show up on my scanner, something is very very wrong with the passive scanning system. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2403	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:20:00 - [17] - Quote As much as people hate active scanners, they are not working right at the moment either. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5926	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:21:00 - [18] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: I'm level 3 in profile dampening and on my Min Logi I put on 3 basic profile dampeners and a complex armor plate. My profile level after the math is said and done would be about 29 dB (decibel). This means that tanks cannot scan me out and scouts will fail to pick me up only if they did not skill into scan precision. So either your dB (decibel) on your dropsuit is still high or your profile dampening level is too low. Is you math accounting for stacking penalties? My math is based on the Dust Fitting Tool that we have. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4168	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:23:00 - [19] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Last time I checked, hiding behind a hill masks your profile from the enemy precision scan. This video just confirms my theory. Also, the built-in base precision of your suit is only meant to pick up most medium and heavy frames. They were never meant to pick up light frames like the scouts. You can try to augment the precision scan to get maybe a scout with a standard profile level, but you're never gonna be able to track a proto scout. Nothing wrong with that. EDIT: If you're talking about being spotted beyond the 10m range, he was within your line of sight which means he will light up regardless on the mini map. By the way, the passive scan range for scouts has been recently buffed to 16m now. And you don't see a problem with that? Just casually glancing over someone, even if your physical human eyes didn't catch that they were there, putting them on your minimap and displaying a chevron over their head..? forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5926	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:23:00 - [20] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Proto mini scout, 3 complex shields, k-5 SG, proto flaylock, complex kin katz and one enhanced damp... That explained it then. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG!! INJECT ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE! /touches your face with the power of God /gives you knowledge Not enough precision enhancers and the heavy is probably stacking profile dampers up the ass. But that means they are soft targets now. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?

Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4168	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:24:00 - [21] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Proto mini scout, 3 complex shields, k-5 SG, proto flaylock, complex kin katz and one enhanced damp... That explained it then. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG!! INJECT ME WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE! /touches your face with the power of God /gives you knowledge Not enough precision enhancers and the heavy is probably stacking profile dampers up the ass. But that means they are soft targets now. A heavy with profile dampeners eh..? forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5926	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:24:00 - [22] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Last time I checked, hiding behind a hill masks your profile from the enemy precision scan. This video just confirms my theory. Also, the built-in base precision of your suit is only meant to pick up most medium and heavy frames. They were never meant to pick up light frames like the scouts. You can try to augment the precision scan to get maybe a scout with a standard profile level, but you're never gonna be able to track a proto scout. Nothing wrong with that. EDIT: If you're talking about being spotted beyond the 10m range, he was within your line of sight which means he will light up regardless on the mini map. By the way, the passive scan range for scouts has been recently buffed to 16m now. And you don't see a problem with that? Just casually glancing over someone, even if your physical human eyes didn't catch that they were there, putting them on your minimap and displaying a chevron over their head..? If I'm a scout and someone sees me directly with line of sight, then it's my fault for not hiding effectively. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5926	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:25:00 - [23] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: A heavy with profile dampeners eh..? I know. It's about as laughable as a heavy with a nova knife. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 82	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:28:00 - [24] - Quote You don't NEED profile dampening. List of things you WILL need: Militia Caladari dropsuit 2 shield extenders 2 armor plates militia shotgun militia smg or pistol militia locus grenades A sense of humor Fantastically unaware enemies (if they see you they're probably already dead) Systems hacking level 5 All core pg/cpu maxed out The ability to press on while your screen reads 'YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED' Same as above and number 8 Have fun 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT You'd just LOVE to think it was the wind. Dropship Extremist
mollerz Minja Scouts 1378	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:29:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: mollerz wrote: MAken- there is no way they are calculating walls and LOS proper. I can;t see tanks rolling around, heavies, they can see me lots of times through walls and I am a scout skill/p damp lv 5 figga minja. tacnet is totally not working. Hmm... is this a recent problem with 1.7 because I haven't been able to log back in since I no longer have a PS3. Back in 1.6 when I had it I was having no problem at all seeing heavies behind me. I've mentioned it to musturd when we've been running around together, and he basically said tacnet was broken. and this is before 1.7. You know someone can see you through walls be cause you can see them on the tacnet matching your movements. And to get surprised by a heavy- which happens- is kind of silly. And to not pick up tanks and low flying dropships is even sillier. You can run numbers all day, but the numbers aren't what's happening in game. #shittycoding
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 82	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:30:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: A heavy with profile dampeners eh..? I know. It's about as laughable as a heavy with a nova knife. I run heavies with novas. 'Enemy stares at me in shock' +50 commence rage mail spam 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT You'd just LOVE to think it was the wind. Dropship Extremist
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2241	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:30:00 - [27] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: And you don't see a problem with that? Just casually glancing over someone, even if your physical human eyes didn't catch that they were there, putting them on your minimap and displaying a chevron over their head..? The point of this is you don't want vision to result in marking people on your TacNet that would otherwise be missed by passive scanning? I've thought about this too. If an assassin was standing in the shadows in a dark scout suit and dampened off your TacNet then it would be nice to be able to stay hidden to a quick visual scan. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4168	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:31:00 - [28] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Last time I checked, hiding behind a hill masks your profile from the enemy precision scan. This video just confirms my theory. Also, the built-in base precision of your suit is only meant to pick up most medium and heavy frames. They were never meant to pick up light frames like the scouts. You can try to augment the precision scan to get maybe a scout with a standard profile level, but you're never gonna be able to track a proto scout. Nothing wrong with that. EDIT: If you're talking about being spotted beyond the 10m range, he was within your line of sight which means he will light up regardless on the mini map. By the way, the passive scan range for scouts has been recently buffed to 16m now. And you don't see a problem with that? Just casually glancing over someone, even if your physical human eyes didn't catch that they were there, putting them on your minimap and displaying a chevron over their head..? If I'm a scout and someone sees me directly with line of sight, then it's my fault for not hiding effectively. It's not about direct line of sight, it's anywhere on the screen. That's 50 or so meters that simply being on the screen will put you on the map, regardless of your profile and regardless of their precision. I'd say something is wrong with that. If all it takes is just casually glancing over someone - even if you, the player, did not physically recognize that there was another player there - it reveals your location. I don't think it should work that way. I think that your precision should have to beat their profile in order to reveal them on your TacNet. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2410	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:35:00 - [29] - Quote Nothing is wrong with Passive Scanning guys. I have done tests https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110984 It works...most people fail to understand the minimap ranges, the enemy speed, and the compression effects. However for a long time I have pointed out that LOS scan is unfair to the profile game. Precision of 0? We have "I Spy" books for a reason, nobody's eyes can spot everything. Radius of at least 80 meters? Come on.... I Buy Officer Weapons and IA5 Pistols Contact me for arrangements; 200k-500k a pop Lentarr Legionaire
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5926	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:55:00 - [30] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: It's not about direct line of sight, it's anywhere on the screen. That's 50 or so meters that simply being on the screen will put you on the map, regardless of your profile and regardless of their precision. I'd say something is wrong with that. If all it takes is just casually glancing over someone - even if you, the player, did not physically recognize that there was another player there - it reveals your location. I don't think it should work that way. I think that your precision should have to beat their profile in order to reveal them on your TacNet. Now that you put it that way, I see what you mean. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?



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