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Defy Gravity
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
151
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:22:00 -
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But the horrible..... horrible things they said feels true at the same time. As much as I want to burn game spot studios to the ground there argument is valid. I may be a little late but once I read that review, it ruined my day. Idk maybe its just that I'm a vet on this game. But I'm crushed by that review.
Amarr FW Supporter.
"I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
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LeGoose
SAM-MIK
114
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:23:00 -
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Did they take a second look at Dust or is this their original review from back in May? |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
1372
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:24:00 -
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At least they periodically review the game. There is nothing to say in a future review CCP can't manage to get a 10. They are the only ones holding themselves back.
#shittycoding
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Justice Prevails
142
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:27:00 -
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As long as you enjoy the game, that's all that matters. If I listened to movie critics, I would have never seen half the movies I love.
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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Defy Gravity
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
151
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:30:00 -
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LeGoose wrote:Did they take a second look at Dust or is this their original review from back in May? Its the review they claim is from 1.7 but its not.
Amarr FW Supporter.
"I will melt you with my scrambler rifle Minmatar filth!"
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ThePrinceOfNigeria
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:31:00 -
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This game sucks and the majority of people know it. Sorry, too see that you are in denial about the truth. Dust had a lot of potential but CCP bungled and mismanaged that potential. They should stick to internet spaceships IMO. FPS games are obviously a bit more than they can handle it seems. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2700
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:33:00 -
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At no point in this game's development would I have given it above a 6. However, like the UP scout suit, it's uniquely entertaining, if incredibly frustrating to play. It's not for everyone.
No.
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Protocake JR
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
1144
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:36:00 -
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I remember way back before and after the 2011 e3 build, the game would micro freeze about every 3 seconds (on top of low framerates).
I remember the early weapon mechanics that made absolutely no sense (AV grenades that did 1500 dmg to infantry, dumb fire swarms).
I don't think many CCP apologists realize just how bad this game used to be and how bad the game still is to this day. Progress has been made, it's not as bad as it was, but the foundation that they built this game on was made of shattered (more like powdered) glass. It was bad. Unplayable for everyone except those who believed in the concept and potential.
If CCP can pull this off in a reasonable amount of time (1-2 years max) and turn Dust into a success, then i'll support them. However, it's the uncertainty that is killing me. I look forward to glancing CCP's financial report.
The PC and SL should fit into Sidearm/ Equipment slots so it's accessible and practical to carry one.
AV spam vs V spam
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2184
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:40:00 -
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Me too :(
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2283
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:49:00 -
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This game has enough in it that I'm going to stick it out. While it does have its bad points, there are also many good points that are not offered by any other FPS title.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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ThePrinceOfNigeria
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:50:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:This game has enough in it that I'm going to stick it out. While it does have its bad points, there are also many good points that are not offered by any other FPS title.
Please elaborate on these good points that are unavailable anywhere else cause I ain't seeing them... |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME
930
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Posted - 2013.12.18 02:51:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:This game has enough in it that I'm going to stick it out. While it does have its bad points, there are also many good points that are not offered by any other FPS title. this.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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DUST 514 Player 12345678914
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
581
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:15:00 -
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ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:This game sucks and the majority of people know it. Sorry, too see that you are in denial about the truth. Dust had a lot of potential but CCP bungled and mismanaged that potential. They should stick to internet spaceships IMO. FPS games are obviously a bit more than they can handle it seems. EDIT: No one seems to have posted the link so here it is - http://www.gamespot.com/dust-514/Summary from Gamespot review: THE GOOD *With cooperative teammates, it's occasionally a reasonable facsimile of better shooters *Weapons are imaginative sci-fi spins on the usual suspects THE BAD *Low frame rate and muddy textures hamper gameplay and aesthetics *Poorly designed maps with little attention to scale, flow, or originality *Cumbersome menus and customization systems *Link to EVE Online and its lore is mostly theoretical SCORE - 4/10
There is no assurance that this score won't go down either. The world hasn't stopped.
Protocake JR wrote:I look forward to glancing CCP's financial report. Labour costs down.
Should be an interesting spend on "R&D".
You have a lot to answer for.
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2284
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:16:00 -
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ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Michael Arck wrote:This game has enough in it that I'm going to stick it out. While it does have its bad points, there are also many good points that are not offered by any other FPS title. Please elaborate on these good points that are unavailable anywhere else cause I ain't seeing them...
1. Teamwork
No other game quite enforces the thought of teamwork like Dust does. And I'm thinking about the big two on consoles...BF and COD. In those games, lone rangers can carry squads or teams. Especially in the latter. Teamwork supercedes the John Rambos of FPS. I've seen matches where guys get 44 kills and 2 deaths...but still lost
2. Perishable items
It's a wonderful but frightening concept of perishable items. Frightening because you have to micro manage and be careful of what you do. Being reckless can cost you more than just your KDR. It can and will cost you ISK. Of course those who are active in PC scoffs at this, but for the average player, ISK management is a necessity.
3. Science Fiction FPS
Science fiction is great commentary on our society. It always has and will continue to be so. Dust 514 offers a deep and imaginative world that you can completely submerge into. It goes further than Halo story with lore that could take you weeks to months to read just to have a handle on what's happening...speaking of current events
4. Players and Lore
Players and their action shift the lore. Victories are even talked about in the in game news circuit. It was quite cool to read that EoN made it into the lore when they took to Molden Heath and battles raged on. It gave the player meaning and the feeling of being a part of something more. I like the sound of that compared to be a random character for a NAVY SEALS team or some terrorist extreme faction. Here, your actions can change the course of the universe
5. Social Aspect
Let's face it, Dust 514 got the social aspect mastered. The only way I was introduced to so many great players in the likes of BF and COD is if I increased rank, forums, or just played alot. In Dust, that middle ground is cut as comm channels help mercs to assemble together. One comm channel can bring the world together and you might find yourself with a member from Japan, to Iceland, to Norway and such. Friends are made and enemies are born.
6. Intense action/Coming down to the wire
"Battles in New Eden can be fast, frentic."
A good battle in New Eden is memorable. It feels action packed like a movie. You recall your squad mate coming in at the right moment to lay down an opponent that nearly killed you while you got caught reloading. Driving a LAV behind enemy lines to get a uplink down so the enemy can be pinched. Crouching behind cover as enemies slowly move forward to push onto the bridge.
These are just some scenarios but you get the picture. Battles in NE can be damn good. Players will switch their tactics (or not) to adjust to the changes. You could be killing their MCC, but your team clone reserves are depleting rapidly. Small things such as this makes the battle memorable to where you salute your enemies for a good war. You really can't find that same feeling in BF or COD.
These are just some of things I thought about when you asked that question. Stuff like the above and more keeps me coming back.
And when you play with like minded people...it makes the experience worth it even more
o7 to the mercs keeping up the fight!
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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Ion Crush
Altyr Initiative
147
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:18:00 -
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Being able to get an eve pilot to come and chase away an enemy in orbit providing orbitals and then coordinating with another eve pilot to provide orbitals for our side. And having one of the orbitals literately clear the way for the point cap that turned the game to our favor and eventual victory. Just another day in Minmatar FW. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4659
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:23:00 -
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That guy is a freelance writer, and this is a "revised review". He also did the EVE review as well, which I think got 8/10.
The original review was done by Kevin, which imo, is one of the best reviewers in the industry today, and he scored the game low as well. I can't remember the score he gave, but I want to think it's 6/10... it might be lower, but not a 4... I think.
Anyway, reviewer was right for the most part, the bads were SPOT ON! Linking DUST and EVE is a selling point, cuz without that this game is nothing more than a sub par lobby shooter with poor graphics. Thanks to the EVE lore (lack of), this game has potential to someday be decent.
Till that day, we can expect much of the same. When the beta testing was more fun than the actual game, something went wrong. Just saying.
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:26:00 -
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@Michael
Are you Iron Wolf Sabre? You speak volumes of poo, just like it.
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2288
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:30:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:@Michael
Are you Iron Wolf Sabre? You speak volumes of poo, just like it.
@Badonk
Were you born just today?
It is my own perspective which is my own opinion. Imagine that? Not everybody will view it the same.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1375
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:34:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:@Michael
Are you Iron Wolf Sabre? You speak volumes of poo, just like it.
I thought he had solid points.
#shittycoding
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Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:35:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:@Michael
Are you Iron Wolf Sabre? You speak volumes of poo, just like it.
@Badonk Were you born just today? It is my own perspective which is my own opinion. Imagine that? Not everybody will view it the same.
Correct
So you aren't IWS? My opinion is you talk poo, much like IWS. |
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iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1218
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Posted - 2013.12.18 03:57:00 -
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Gamespot wrote:
"Dust's link to EVE was supposed to provide the context for these endless war games. But the bond between the two games remains ill-defined. Corporations, the life blood of EVE, barely receive an introduction in Dust. Ditto for the former game's vast libraries of lore. Sitting in the cramped mercenary's quarters, just a few menu clicks away from jumping into battles all across the universe, it's impossible to get a sense of the vastness of space that makes the massively multiplayer online role-playing game at once so daunting and mysterious. We know that data transmits across the void between EVE and Dust, because a name taken in one cannot be used in the other. But personality never makes the jump."
I think this is the most valid point the article raises.
"We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
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castba
Penguin's March
265
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Posted - 2013.12.18 04:04:00 -
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A review is just an opinion and as with arseholes, everybody has one. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2291
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Posted - 2013.12.18 04:05:00 -
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Badonk Adonk wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:@Michael
Are you Iron Wolf Sabre? You speak volumes of poo, just like it.
@Badonk Were you born just today? It is my own perspective which is my own opinion. Imagine that? Not everybody will view it the same. Correct So you aren't IWS? My opinion is you talk poo, much like IWS.
LOL @ the usage of poo!
One man's trash is another man's treasure
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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ThePrinceOfNigeria
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.12.18 05:07:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Michael Arck wrote:This game has enough in it that I'm going to stick it out. While it does have its bad points, there are also many good points that are not offered by any other FPS title. Please elaborate on these good points that are unavailable anywhere else cause I ain't seeing them... 1. Teamwork No other game quite enforces the thought of teamwork like Dust does. And I'm thinking about the big two on consoles...BF and COD. In those games, lone rangers can carry squads or teams. Especially in the latter. Teamwork supercedes the John Rambos of FPS. I've seen matches where guys get 44 kills and 2 deaths...but still lost 2. Perishable items It's a wonderful but frightening concept of perishable items. Frightening because you have to micro manage and be careful of what you do. Being reckless can cost you more than just your KDR. It can and will cost you ISK. Of course those who are active in PC scoffs at this, but for the average player, ISK management is a necessity. 3. Science Fiction FPS Science fiction is great commentary on our society. It always has and will continue to be so. Dust 514 offers a deep and imaginative world that you can completely submerge into. It's social commentary on the state of things can't be overlooked. It goes further than Halo story with lore that could take you weeks to months to read just to have a handle on what's happening...speaking of current events 4. Players and Lore Players and their action shift the lore. Victories are even talked about in the in game news circuit. It was quite cool to read that EoN made it into the lore when they took to Molden Heath and battles raged on. It gave the player meaning and the feeling of being a part of something more. I like the sound of that compared to be a random character for a NAVY SEALS team or some terrorist extreme faction. Here, your actions can change the course of the universe 5. Social Aspect Let's face it, Dust 514 got the social aspect mastered. The only way I was introduced to so many great players in the likes of BF and COD is if I increased rank, forums, or just played alot. In Dust, that middle ground is cut as comm channels help mercs to assemble together. One comm channel can bring the world together and you might find yourself with a member from Japan, to Iceland, to Norway and such. Friends are made and enemies are born. 6. Intense action/Coming down to the wire "Battles in New Eden can be fast, frentic." A good battle in New Eden is memorable. It feels action packed like a movie. You recall your squad mate coming in at the right moment to lay down an opponent that nearly killed you while you got caught reloading. Driving a LAV behind enemy lines to get a uplink down so the enemy can be pinched. Crouching behind cover as enemies slowly move forward to push onto the bridge. These are just some scenarios but you get the picture. Battles in NE can be damn good. Players will switch their tactics (or not) to adjust to the changes. You could be killing their MCC, but your team clone reserves are depleting rapidly. Small things such as this makes the battle memorable to where you salute your enemies for a good war. You really can't find that same feeling in BF or COD. These are just some of things I thought about when you asked that question. Stuff like the above and more keeps me coming back. And when you play with like minded people...it makes the experience worth it even more o7 to the mercs keeping up the fight!
LOL WUT? So which developer are you? Or do you honestly believe this bullshit that spewed from your anus? |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
692
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Posted - 2013.12.18 06:08:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:1. Teamwork
No other game quite enforces the thought of teamwork like Dust does. And I'm thinking about the big two on consoles...BF and COD. In those games, lone rangers can carry squads or teams. Especially in the latter. Teamwork supercedes the John Rambos of FPS. I've seen matches where guys get 44 kills and 2 deaths...but still lost
Debatable. I've seen these matches too...and most of the time that's the winning side. Even if they weren't a way to win a match of strategy all together (sometimes I wonder why), all those kills were someone not backing up someone else or taking up objectives.
wrote:2. Perishable items
It's a wonderful but frightening concept of perishable items. Frightening because you have to micro manage and be careful of what you do. Being reckless can cost you more than just your KDR. It can and will cost you ISK. Of course those who are active in PC scoffs at this, but for the average player, ISK management is a necessity.
Yup.
wrote:3. Science Fiction FPS
Science fiction is great commentary on our society. It always has and will continue to be so. Dust 514 offers a deep and imaginative world that you can completely submerge into. It's social commentary on the state of things can't be overlooked. It goes further than Halo story with lore that could take you weeks to months to read just to have a handle on what's happening...speaking of current events
4. Players and Lore
Players and their action shift the lore. Victories are even talked about in the in game news circuit. It was quite cool to read that EoN made it into the lore when they took to Molden Heath and battles raged on. It gave the player meaning and the feeling of being a part of something more. I like the sound of that compared to be a random character for a NAVY SEALS team or some terrorist extreme faction. Here, your actions can change the course of the universe
Eh...I feel more like a drop in the bucket. EvE's got the lore, I don't think we count for much. Yet.
wrote:5. Social Aspect
Let's face it, Dust 514 got the social aspect mastered. The only way I was introduced to so many great players in the likes of BF and COD is if I increased rank, forums, or just played alot. In Dust, that middle ground is cut as comm channels help mercs to assemble together. One comm channel can bring the world together and you might find yourself with a member from Japan, to Iceland, to Norway and such. Friends are made and enemies are born. Not sure about "mastered", but it is good for this. Yes to this point.
wrote:6. Intense action/Coming down to the wire
"Battles in New Eden can be fast, frentic."
A good battle in New Eden is memorable. It feels action packed like a movie. You recall your squad mate coming in at the right moment to lay down an opponent that nearly killed you while you got caught reloading. Driving a LAV behind enemy lines to get a uplink down so the enemy can be pinched. Crouching behind cover as enemies slowly move forward to push onto the bridge.
These are just some scenarios but you get the picture. Battles in NE can be damn good. Players will switch their tactics (or not) to adjust to the changes. You could be killing their MCC, but your team clone reserves are depleting rapidly. Small things such as this makes the battle memorable to where you salute your enemies for a good war. You really can't find that same feeling in BF or COD.
And this is not exclusive to Dust. A good match against a good team is memorable in every FPS. Most also suffer from having one side swamp the other like Dust.
2/6 = 33% F
REQUESTED PARENT-TEACHER CONFERENCE
CCP, Geth Infiltrator is OP! plz nerf.
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abarkrishna
WarRavens
180
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Posted - 2013.12.18 06:48:00 -
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The gameplay's more tangible issues are too numerous to recount in full. Battlegrounds are too large for the player count, resulting in long stretches where enemies are nowhere to be found. They're wastelands of muddy industrial sameness, with no attention to scale or flow. Paths dead-end nonsensically. Ladders and hallways lead to empty rooms devoid of relation to objectives or tactics. Weapon types are tremendously imbalanced. Audio effects sound cheap and have little relevance to the direction or proximity of their source. Dips in the frame rate result in distant enemies frequently looking like they're moving in stop-motion. The list goes on, but the problems run deeper.
This pretty much sums it all up.
No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2.
When will they learn!
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2303
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Posted - 2013.12.18 06:59:00 -
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ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Michael Arck wrote:ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Michael Arck wrote:This game has enough in it that I'm going to stick it out. While it does have its bad points, there are also many good points that are not offered by any other FPS title. Please elaborate on these good points that are unavailable anywhere else cause I ain't seeing them... 1. Teamwork No other game quite enforces the thought of teamwork like Dust does. And I'm thinking about the big two on consoles...BF and COD. In those games, lone rangers can carry squads or teams. Especially in the latter. Teamwork supercedes the John Rambos of FPS. I've seen matches where guys get 44 kills and 2 deaths...but still lost 2. Perishable items It's a wonderful but frightening concept of perishable items. Frightening because you have to micro manage and be careful of what you do. Being reckless can cost you more than just your KDR. It can and will cost you ISK. Of course those who are active in PC scoffs at this, but for the average player, ISK management is a necessity. 3. Science Fiction FPS Science fiction is great commentary on our society. It always has and will continue to be so. Dust 514 offers a deep and imaginative world that you can completely submerge into. It's social commentary on the state of things can't be overlooked. It goes further than Halo story with lore that could take you weeks to months to read just to have a handle on what's happening...speaking of current events 4. Players and Lore Players and their action shift the lore. Victories are even talked about in the in game news circuit. It was quite cool to read that EoN made it into the lore when they took to Molden Heath and battles raged on. It gave the player meaning and the feeling of being a part of something more. I like the sound of that compared to be a random character for a NAVY SEALS team or some terrorist extreme faction. Here, your actions can change the course of the universe 5. Social Aspect Let's face it, Dust 514 got the social aspect mastered. The only way I was introduced to so many great players in the likes of BF and COD is if I increased rank, forums, or just played alot. In Dust, that middle ground is cut as comm channels help mercs to assemble together. One comm channel can bring the world together and you might find yourself with a member from Japan, to Iceland, to Norway and such. Friends are made and enemies are born. 6. Intense action/Coming down to the wire "Battles in New Eden can be fast, frentic." A good battle in New Eden is memorable. It feels action packed like a movie. You recall your squad mate coming in at the right moment to lay down an opponent that nearly killed you while you got caught reloading. Driving a LAV behind enemy lines to get a uplink down so the enemy can be pinched. Crouching behind cover as enemies slowly move forward to push onto the bridge. These are just some scenarios but you get the picture. Battles in NE can be damn good. Players will switch their tactics (or not) to adjust to the changes. You could be killing their MCC, but your team clone reserves are depleting rapidly. Small things such as this makes the battle memorable to where you salute your enemies for a good war. You really can't find that same feeling in BF or COD. These are just some of things I thought about when you asked that question. Stuff like the above and more keeps me coming back. And when you play with like minded people...it makes the experience worth it even more o7 to the mercs keeping up the fight! LOL WUT? So which developer are you? Or do you honestly believe this bullshit that spewed from your anus?
Imagine that...folks perceive things in this world different than you.
The bullshit I don't believe about you is that you have announced your dislike for this game for several months
Yet you continue your crusade on this forum, trying to dampen the enjoyment others have found in this game.
If people continue to like this game and you don't...then why are you still here on the forums?
Why do you create threads that talk about CCP firing folks to promote hostility towards them?
I don't understand people these days. I do to an extent but I don't. Why is it that when folks don't follow others, they are immediately met with backlash?
It's childish, immature, silly, corny, weird and utterly stupid.
Is there nothing else worth your time besides the forums of the game you despise?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
3409
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Posted - 2013.12.18 07:17:00 -
[28] - Quote
Honestly the only thing dust is good at is the social aspect.
Dust is by far, the BEST fps game I have ever seen in this department. The chat channels, the corp channels, the push to talk thing(my fav) and being able to talk to anyone anywhere as long as you got the chat channel.
Apart from just chatting, the corp thing is amazing. No other fps encourages joining of clans as much as dust. However this is partly due to pub stomping... You know... If you're not in a corp, you probably can't fight pubstomping.
That is honestly what has kept me on this game for so long. Nothing else really apart from my Friends that I have gained thanks to the social aspect of this game.
GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢
Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
Forum Warrior LV. 3 | Warframe is awesome! | PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
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Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
329
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Posted - 2013.12.18 07:40:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:
2. Perishable items
It's a wonderful but frightening concept of perishable items. Frightening because you have to micro manage and be careful of what you do. Being reckless can cost you more than just your KDR. It can and will cost you ISK. Of course those who are active in PC scoffs at this, but for the average player, ISK management is a necessity.
I'm sorry, of all the many FPSs I have played I can quite comfortably say that the above is your only valid and reasonable point. Even then, though Dust may be the only one to do this, it still does it badly compared to what it COULD be.
Especially the teamwork thing, have you ever seen a competitive, voice-commed TF2 match or a 100-man outfit vs 100-man outfit base siege in PS2, those both rain on Dust for teamwork (for different reasons).
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Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
276
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:02:00 -
[30] - Quote
I understand how you feel. The first review by Kevin Van Ord was actually quite fair, and it's interesting to see that the score has gone DOWN since the launch, but we are looking at two different reviewers who have different experiences with the EVE universe. The points about the maps are very valid though - the maps are big enough for 48 or 64 players in some instances... they are just huge - not ideal for 32 players. I still have faith despite all this - it can get better, it's just that the progress is so glacial. Hopefully the Executive producer is taking a good hard look at everything here. |
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2308
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:12:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:Michael Arck wrote:
2. Perishable items
It's a wonderful but frightening concept of perishable items. Frightening because you have to micro manage and be careful of what you do. Being reckless can cost you more than just your KDR. It can and will cost you ISK. Of course those who are active in PC scoffs at this, but for the average player, ISK management is a necessity.
I'm sorry, of all the many FPSs I have played I can quite comfortably say that the above is your only valid and reasonable point. Even then, though Dust may be the only one to do this, it still does it badly compared to what it COULD be. Especially the teamwork thing, have you ever seen a competitive, voice-commed TF2 match or a 100-man outfit vs 100-man outfit base siege in PS2, those both rain on Dust for teamwork (for different reasons).
You don't have to apologize about sharing your opinion. It is yours.
I never got into TF2 and didn't play PS2.
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steadyhand amarr
Scions of Athra
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:18:00 -
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There are games that do the teamwork aspect far better than dust tbh.
All shooters require the same level of teamwork at a competive level. And for an example counter strike A bad team will lose a 100% of the same even if they are good players solo
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2308
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:23:00 -
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But the penalty is higher for not committing to teamwork in Dust than in other games.
Yeah, you can lose in other games, badly, if teamwork is not happening. In Dust, if teamwork isn't happening, you can lose plus lose ISK. That include payouts and suits extinguished. The punishment hits twice fold
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
720
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Posted - 2013.12.18 09:06:00 -
[34] - Quote
Michael Arck wrote:ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Michael Arck wrote:This game has enough in it that I'm going to stick it out. While it does have its bad points, there are also many good points that are not offered by any other FPS title. Please elaborate on these good points that are unavailable anywhere else cause I ain't seeing them... 1. Teamwork No other game quite enforces the thought of teamwork like Dust does. And I'm thinking about the big two on consoles...BF and COD. In those games, lone rangers can carry squads or teams. Especially in the latter. Teamwork supercedes the John Rambos of FPS. I've seen matches where guys get 44 kills and 2 deaths...but still lost 2. Perishable items It's a wonderful but frightening concept of perishable items. Frightening because you have to micro manage and be careful of what you do. Being reckless can cost you more than just your KDR. It can and will cost you ISK. Of course those who are active in PC scoffs at this, but for the average player, ISK management is a necessity. 3. Science Fiction FPS Science fiction is great commentary on our society. It always has and will continue to be so. Dust 514 offers a deep and imaginative world that you can completely submerge into. It's social commentary on the state of things can't be overlooked. It goes further than Halo story with lore that could take you weeks to months to read just to have a handle on what's happening...speaking of current events 4. Players and Lore Players and their action shift the lore. Victories are even talked about in the in game news circuit. It was quite cool to read that EoN made it into the lore when they took to Molden Heath and battles raged on. It gave the player meaning and the feeling of being a part of something more. I like the sound of that compared to be a random character for a NAVY SEALS team or some terrorist extreme faction. Here, your actions can change the course of the universe 5. Social Aspect Let's face it, Dust 514 got the social aspect mastered. The only way I was introduced to so many great players in the likes of BF and COD is if I increased rank, forums, or just played alot. In Dust, that middle ground is cut as comm channels help mercs to assemble together. One comm channel can bring the world together and you might find yourself with a member from Japan, to Iceland, to Norway and such. Friends are made and enemies are born. 6. Intense action/Coming down to the wire "Battles in New Eden can be fast, frentic." A good battle in New Eden is memorable. It feels action packed like a movie. You recall your squad mate coming in at the right moment to lay down an opponent that nearly killed you while you got caught reloading. Driving a LAV behind enemy lines to get a uplink down so the enemy can be pinched. Crouching behind cover as enemies slowly move forward to push onto the bridge. These are just some scenarios but you get the picture. Battles in NE can be damn good. Players will switch their tactics (or not) to adjust to the changes. You could be killing their MCC, but your team clone reserves are depleting rapidly. Small things such as this makes the battle memorable to where you salute your enemies for a good war. You really can't find that same feeling in BF or COD. These are just some of things I thought about when you asked that question. Stuff like the above and more keeps me coming back. And when you play with like minded people...it makes the experience worth it even more o7 to the mercs keeping up the fight!
Teamwork, corp-centered gameplay and perishables are the only true points. The lore that you speak of is just leaderboard hype that's the same in every FPS. Science fiction - I don't even want to start on this one, it's far from original in that regard. It does not have intense action imo - broken game mechanics ensure that you are either stomping or getting stomped 9 games of 10 and gear means more than skill. Connection to eve with orbitals - semi-real token connection.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
960
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Posted - 2013.12.18 09:17:00 -
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EVE was not built in one year.
Neither will DUST be, and I have fun playing. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
2309
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Posted - 2013.12.18 09:26:00 -
[36] - Quote
Ludvig Enraga wrote:Michael Arck wrote:ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Michael Arck wrote:This game has enough in it that I'm going to stick it out. While it does have its bad points, there are also many good points that are not offered by any other FPS title. Please elaborate on these good points that are unavailable anywhere else cause I ain't seeing them... 1. Teamwork No other game quite enforces the thought of teamwork like Dust does. And I'm thinking about the big two on consoles...BF and COD. In those games, lone rangers can carry squads or teams. Especially in the latter. Teamwork supercedes the John Rambos of FPS. I've seen matches where guys get 44 kills and 2 deaths...but still lost 2. Perishable items It's a wonderful but frightening concept of perishable items. Frightening because you have to micro manage and be careful of what you do. Being reckless can cost you more than just your KDR. It can and will cost you ISK. Of course those who are active in PC scoffs at this, but for the average player, ISK management is a necessity. 3. Science Fiction FPS Science fiction is great commentary on our society. It always has and will continue to be so. Dust 514 offers a deep and imaginative world that you can completely submerge into. It's social commentary on the state of things can't be overlooked. It goes further than Halo story with lore that could take you weeks to months to read just to have a handle on what's happening...speaking of current events 4. Players and Lore Players and their action shift the lore. Victories are even talked about in the in game news circuit. It was quite cool to read that EoN made it into the lore when they took to Molden Heath and battles raged on. It gave the player meaning and the feeling of being a part of something more. I like the sound of that compared to be a random character for a NAVY SEALS team or some terrorist extreme faction. Here, your actions can change the course of the universe 5. Social Aspect Let's face it, Dust 514 got the social aspect mastered. The only way I was introduced to so many great players in the likes of BF and COD is if I increased rank, forums, or just played alot. In Dust, that middle ground is cut as comm channels help mercs to assemble together. One comm channel can bring the world together and you might find yourself with a member from Japan, to Iceland, to Norway and such. Friends are made and enemies are born. 6. Intense action/Coming down to the wire "Battles in New Eden can be fast, frentic." A good battle in New Eden is memorable. It feels action packed like a movie. You recall your squad mate coming in at the right moment to lay down an opponent that nearly killed you while you got caught reloading. Driving a LAV behind enemy lines to get a uplink down so the enemy can be pinched. Crouching behind cover as enemies slowly move forward to push onto the bridge. These are just some scenarios but you get the picture. Battles in NE can be damn good. Players will switch their tactics (or not) to adjust to the changes. You could be killing their MCC, but your team clone reserves are depleting rapidly. Small things such as this makes the battle memorable to where you salute your enemies for a good war. You really can't find that same feeling in BF or COD. These are just some of things I thought about when you asked that question. Stuff like the above and more keeps me coming back. And when you play with like minded people...it makes the experience worth it even more o7 to the mercs keeping up the fight! Teamwork, corp-centered gameplay and perishables are the only true points. The lore that you speak of is just leaderboard hype that's the same in every FPS. Science fiction - I don't even want to start on this one, it's far from original in that regard. It does not have intense action imo - broken game mechanics ensure that you are either stomping or getting stomped 9 games of 10 and gear means more than skill. Connection to eve with orbitals - semi-real token connection.
The lore that I speak of involves fan fiction and CCP created lore. I have read, off and on about this stuff before Dust 514 even existed and I was interested in playing EVE.
The science fiction part: Nothing is new under the sun, is it not? We all know this. Science fiction especially, since many authors are influenced by stories that they have read before.
And while you haven't experienced intense action, I have in this game. I've been in matches where it has come down to the wire.
Truth...in this thread, is entirely subjective to the person's experience. The truth? I think this game is ******* cool. Your truth can be different from that.
It's as if people cannot stand to see a well thought out compliment to the devs and the work they produced.
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Drifter MAGGOT
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
130
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Posted - 2013.12.18 09:33:00 -
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Defy Gravity wrote:But the horrible..... horrible things they said feels true at the same time. As much as I want to burn game spot studios to the ground there argument is valid. I may be a little late but once I read that review, it ruined my day. Idk maybe its just that I'm a vet on this game. But I'm crushed by that review.
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