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Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
1767
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:42:00 -
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Av needs a bug back to 1.6 levels. Pretty sure the current tanks could handle it.
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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Sgt Buttscratch
1168
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:46:00 -
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AV is fine
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Jason Pearson
3501
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:47:00 -
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AV feels fine right now, don't need to change numbers, add more stuff.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire.
Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
1621
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:49:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:AV is fine
no, it isn't... unless youre a tanker...
youre a tanker aren't you?
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
174
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:50:00 -
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Yup .... so many guys are running HAV thinking they have skill please give us back the means to show them how to drive
previous to this update, tanks were strategic , holding areas or pressing the opposition if a tanker over extended himself he died ...
now we've got EZ tank514
pull up, activate modules, shoot until victory .... there is no way for infantry to repel them |
Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
1773
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:50:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:AV is fine no, it isn't... unless youre a tanker... youre a tanker aren't you?
Av is **** currently. Tanks could handle 1.6 av now. The way it is currently bad tankers don't get killed at all except by other tanks.
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
174
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:52:00 -
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AV is fine....
a pity your brain cells seem to have died though |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
481
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:55:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:AV is fine
Just fell of my seat laughing at this bs |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
122
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:03:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Av needs a bug back to 1.6 levels. Pretty sure the current tanks could handle it. ar you on meth? |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
485
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:05:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Av needs a bug back to 1.6 levels. Pretty sure the current tanks could handle it. ar you on meth?
It makes sense, **** at this rate id want to see the SL buffed over 1.4 levels. |
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
176
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:18:00 -
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If 2 guys set out with decent AV nades, along with PLC/Swarm
that should be enough to drop a HAV especially if he hangs around long enough for 5/6 AV nades
think back to Battlefield 3 ... - one guy could rpg a tank in 3/4 shots solo if you hit the weak spots in dust it should be the same, if a HAV is too dumb to avoid AV he deserves to lose his tank
also 3/4 RE placed on a tank, again if a HAV driver is dump enough to sit still while you cover him in RE, he should lose the tank
If a HAV drives over a pile of PE he deserves to die as he could have looked first
right now AV is hopeless |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
498
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:24:00 -
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back to BF3 lolwut? In any case HAV are like race cars, when they take dmg they can teleport themselves out of the danger zone with zero risk.
Not only are they nigh invincible to infrantry they can, at will, egresss tfaway from combat. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
206
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:27:00 -
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I get two shotted by proto Assult Forge guns in my Gunlogi, saying that it did 8600 damage to me, other than that being bugged damage or imposable it dosent mean i still dont get two shotted. Tower forge gunners can kill tanks all day still because there is few places to hide once your hardeners turn off. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
176
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:30:00 -
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Tanks is BF3 where similar to HAV in Dust before this update, they should be OP but once they leave safe zones they can be messed up, I dont know why they changed it |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
561
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:30:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Av needs a bug back to 1.6 levels. Pretty sure the current tanks could handle it. I completely agree, but good luck finding a tanker who would say the same. To them having 5 tanks on each side in an ambush is perfectly acceptable.
The only effective form of AV is other tanks, which ruins the game for those of us who prefer having a gun in our hands. |
Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
489
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:31:00 -
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Keep the forge changes and swarm range and we're good.
Dropship Specialist
Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Militia: 26; Tanks: 10
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Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
1778
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:51:00 -
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Change forge charge time back to 1.6. Buff swarm range to 300 m and damage to 300 dmg per missle.
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
177
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:56:00 -
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Forge needs to stay where it is now, as things stand it's the only AV weapon working
Tank HP - dropped Swarm range - keep it low range for DS but double for HAV Plasma Cannon - more effective vehicle dmg AV nades - shouldn't have been touched |
Eltra Ardell
Goonfeet Top Men.
240
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:57:00 -
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AV is broken. Prototype AV weapons (forges, swarms, grenades) cannot reliably deal with a 70k ISK militia tank driven with 0 SP.
Think about that. |
The Attorney General
1684
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:59:00 -
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Forge needs its charge time reduced, Swarms could use either damage or range, but lets see what the speed changes do first.
AV nades are good where they are.
Buff the PLC and proxies.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
177
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:59:00 -
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I know, I have been banned from FW due to me trying every trick in the book to reple tanks |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
869
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:04:00 -
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I do Av and tanking. There was 4 tanks circling a cru and the whole enemy team was spawning Av. They were slaughtered. Pegasus asked me"is this wrong" I replied "ya, but ffuck em". They never stood a chance. The one guy that broke free chose to hack the objective instead of providing anuplink for his team. He lived a minute longer than everyone else. |
Waruiko DUST
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
148
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:19:00 -
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They're easy to deal with in pubs at least. Plant 9+ REs on a vehicle and crash it into the side or back of a tank and the exploding truck sets off the REs killing the tank.
If blood and sweat don't teach them perhaps time will
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
4116
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:21:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:AV is fine no, it isn't... unless youre a tanker... youre a tanker aren't you? I popped a well-fit Madrugar with Militia Swarms by waiting for his hardeners to go down?
Are you waiting for their hardeners to drop?
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Terram Nenokal
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
269
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:21:00 -
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I just want AV grenades to be slightly more powerful. Maybe somewhere between 1.6 and 1.7 balance. If I'm getting that close to a vehicle, I feel like I should be a little scarier to them if I opt to use grenades dedicated to destroying them.
Maybe reduce the range a bit to compensate.
Loving to hate and hating to love Dust 514 since May 2012
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1962
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:24:00 -
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AV is fine
Only thing that needs a buff is the IQ numbers of the players behind the trigger |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
666
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:56:00 -
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AV didn't need a nerf I can pull out and militia tank and go 20 and 0 most of the time The only people saying AV should stay as it is are tankers who don't want to think, I know because I didn't have to think when I used a 80k isk tank |
Her Nibs
Pradox One Proficiency V.
94
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:01:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:AV is fine Obviously you are not AV and never was.
A man without a woman is a bachelor, A woman without a man is a GENIUS
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Her Nibs
Pradox One Proficiency V.
94
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:08:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:AV is fine no, it isn't... unless youre a tanker... youre a tanker aren't you? I popped a well-fit Madrugar with Militia Swarms by waiting for his hardeners to go down? Are you waiting for their hardeners to drop?
Proto AV....all that time. ISK and SP to end up with a pea shooter. Fu^k CCP. I want my SP back and a bigger swarm launcher. When u can't lock onto anything without being on top of it........I know, give me the ability to throw AV grenades across the map. It would make as much sense as what CCP has done to tanks....................NOT. How rediculous does this game have to be to make them understand we just want EQUAL opportunity.
A man without a woman is a bachelor, A woman without a man is a GENIUS
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Her Nibs
Pradox One Proficiency V.
94
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:10:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:AV is fine
Only thing that needs a buff is the IQ numbers of the players behind the trigger
And to that I say FU my good fellow. My IQ is in the top 20 percentile and I know when things aren't fair and when some people haven't a clue what they are talking about.
A man without a woman is a bachelor, A woman without a man is a GENIUS
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1962
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:14:00 -
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Her Nibs wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:AV is fine
Only thing that needs a buff is the IQ numbers of the players behind the trigger And to that I say FU my good fellow. My IQ is in the top 20 percentile and I know when things aren't fair and when some people haven't a clue what they are talking about.
Good for you
Maybe you can donate some pts then to other AV'ers
Maybe they will stop attacking me when im shiny with the wrong AV weapon but until then they are still idiots |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9032
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:15:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:AV is broken. Prototype AV weapons (forges, swarms, grenades) cannot reliably deal with a 70k ISK militia tank driven with 0 SP.
Think about that. I have around 12 million SP invested in AV that I just ignore in favor of Jihad LAVs because it's the only reliable method to take out enemy tanks without skilling deep into tanks yourself, or camping the redline in a free sica hoping to get lucky.
I'm not about to risk hundreds of thousands of ISK just to take out a tank that costs 60k and can be called in three more times before hurting the pilots wallet.
It simply will not happen.
Vids / O7
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1430
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:48:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:I do Av and tanking. There was 4 tanks circling a cru and the whole enemy team was spawning Av. They were slaughtered. Pegasus asked me"is this wrong" I replied "ya, but ffuck em". They never stood a chance. The one guy that broke free chose to hack the objective instead of providing anuplink for his team. He lived a minute longer than everyone else.
yes we had 4 tanks circling a cru but they didn't have to spawn there lol . we also had almost every foot soldier in the game shooting at everyone who spawned in . they also had they option of regrouping at ground spawn and equipping a few cheep tanks to push every one back . that's what id have done . but in that case tanks weren't op the rebury intelligence was up
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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Jathniel
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
1001
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:50:00 -
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When HAV pilots start blitzing entire teams in their redzones (both ground spawn and MCC dropzone) without penalty, I think that says something. To me it says, "HAVs are too fast."
Be fast and fragile, or be slow and durable. You can't have both.
HAVs are doing things now, that they wouldn't have dared to do pre-1.7. They can speed into redzones, and kill every AVer long before the AV does any significant damage to them, and be out long before the redzone kills them. That's a problem.
What's the point in getting a high position with swarms elsewhere? The tank will spot you, and disappear into the terrain long before your proto AV does any significant damage.
In Ambush matches I'm seeing, that the team with the most tanks wins. Is this intentional? Proto AVers like myself simply cannot repel these HAVs fast enough to prevent them from causing significant damage to our team. When the tanks defenses finally fail, he is long out of our reach.
If the tanks are in a good spot, then the cooldown for those godly modules needs to be significantly increased. You can't buff the AV. If you buff AV, you'll hurt Dropship pilots and LAVers. |
Sgt Buttscratch
1170
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:58:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:AV is fine no, it isn't... unless youre a tanker... youre a tanker aren't you?
No I am not. Used to be a tanker and run AV.
AV is fine
The only people who don't think it is are lazy.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
234
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:58:00 -
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They're going to nerf the top speed a bit tomorrow morning - so we'll see how that plays out.
Proximity mines are worthless. Try to kill something with proximity mines - they should be doing twice as much damage, if not more.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
871
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:04:00 -
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The Wolves will train anyone who wants to learn AV.
We will also train Tankers/DS pilots.
Come to think of it there isn't much we can't help you improve upon. |
Atom Heart Mother
Nazionali Senza Filtro
78
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:18:00 -
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AV needs a rebuff to previous patch so to have a right game balance. If you say I'm wrong you are a noob. |
Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
86
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:23:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Yup .... so many guys are running HAV thinking they have skill please give us back the means to show them how to drive
previous to this update, tanks were strategic , holding areas or pressing the opposition if a tanker over extended himself he died ...
now we've got EZ tank514
pull up, activate modules, shoot until victory .... there is no way for infantry to repel them
Before this update tanks couldn't leave redline without having 1/4 of their HP gone from invisible swarms all the way on the other side of the map. Even if you only stayed at friendly objectives away from the fighting you would always get invisible swarms chasing you around a corner. |
Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
86
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:23:00 -
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Atom Heart Mother wrote:AV needs a rebuff to previous patch so to have a right game balance. If you say I'm wrong you are a noob.
Wrong, and you're a noob. |
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Jason Pearson
3503
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:27:00 -
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Atom Heart Mother wrote:AV needs a rebuff to previous patch so to have a right game balance. If you say I'm wrong you are a noob.
You're wrong. You got ran over by my Gunnlogi, you're a noob.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire.
Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
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Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
87
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:37:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Atom Heart Mother wrote:AV needs a rebuff to previous patch so to have a right game balance. If you say I'm wrong you are a noob. You're wrong. You got ran over by my Gunnlogi, you're a noob.
I've ran over multiple AVers who were looking the wrong direction, you'd think with how loud vehicles are they would be more aware. Plus, unless you hit them EXACTLY right they just get pushed to the side of your tank. |
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