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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3225	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:39:00 - [1] - Quote No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
R F Gyro Clones 4u 849	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:41:00 - [2] - Quote Tanks (+fittings) should cost the same amount as an AV suit (+fittings) that can solo them. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4941	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:42:00 - [3] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ******* Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1243	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:42:00 - [4] - Quote Well before .7 tankers would defend their power with the high price tag, I don't think they have that arguement anymore! Nough Said! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3225	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:43:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ******* Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. Sir, my best scout suit cost more than a frigate........ Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6334	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:45:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ***** Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. What kind of ** frigate costs less than 500k? Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3376	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:45:00 - [7] - Quote My mlt tank costs like 70k... And it owns! GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4941	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:46:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ***** Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. What kind of ** frigate costs less than 500k? Most frigates on the market cost less the 500k....atleast when I checked last. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3299	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:47:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ***** Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. Even at 300k a pop.i would still buy Sicas like crazy. My sica IS worth 300k.....** (considerign it does a LOT more than my 180k AV dropsuit.) AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
castba Penguin's March 256	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:48:00 - [10] - Quote Current power for pre 1.7 prices sounds reasonable to me. OR Keep current prices but slow HAVs down 50% (at least).

True Adamance Scions of Athra 4942	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:52:00 - [11] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ***** Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. Even at 300k a pop.i would still buy Sicas like crazy. My sica IS worth 300k.....** (considerign it does a LOT more than my 180k AV dropsuit.) I love how you sold out.... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Thumb Green Novashift 584	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:53:00 - [12] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Tanks (+fittings) should cost the same amount as an AV suit (+fittings) that can solo them. The thing is though, tanks are far more effective than AV and are invulnerable to all small arms fire other than AV (every weapon but 3); whereas AV is (currently) ineffective and can be killed by every weapon but one. An AV player that isn't hiding on a rooftop is guaranteed to die more than a tanker is to lose a tank. Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 33	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:59:00 - [13] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. it takes a match to restock ONE tank, people who are rich spam everything so its fine exept MLT tanks, you can reduce AV prices exept forge guns
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 387	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:48:00 - [14] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Well before .7 tankers would defend their power with the high price tag, I don't think they have that arguement anymore! Nough Said! I noticed recently that I played better when tanks were expensive. I hate that I've been emboldened to deliberately make bad decisions, but if the price of ineptitude is a mere tank or three, then who cares? Tanks have about as much value as a baby girl in mainland China.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 317	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:50:00 - [15] - Quote castba wrote: Current power for pre 1.7 prices sounds reasonable to me. OR Keep current prices but slow HAVs down 50% (at least). 50% is excessive. I'd say 25-30% In response to OP, I'm for having them at pe 1.7 prices. They should be powerful, but they should cost when you lose them.
Cosgar ParagonX 8782	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:52:00 - [16] - Quote I think the current prices are just short-term until Wolfman can gauge their usage/effectiveness. Everything about the new vehicles seems to have accessibility in mind, but there probably will be a slight price increase in the future. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 271	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:02:00 - [17] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ******* Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. Sir, my best scout suit cost more than a frigate........ message from Godin: I didn't know Scouts could cost over 400k ISK........
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3231	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:18:00 - [18] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ******* Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. Sir, my best scout suit cost more than a frigate........ message from Godin: I didn't know Scouts could cost over 400k ISK........ Not a fully fit frig :P Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3302	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:20:00 - [19] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: My mlt tank costs like 70k... And it owns! Mi Battle sica costs the same, around 70k ADV Logi , Around 65k ADV AV, around 60k Proto Forge gunner : 135k+ Proto Swarm on Proto Logi: 155k+ Proto scouts: 180k AND MORE. heh. And guess which one denies me from dying? AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1607	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:43:00 - [20] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ***** Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. What kind of ** frigate costs less than 500k? atron, incursus, rifter, punisher....condor...should I go on, or should you just log on eve and answer your own question? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.

Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 327	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:33:00 - [21] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. O....M...F...G how short are your memories?!? We just went through all this, insanely excessive prices on vehicles gave birth to all the QQ from tankers and then resulted in the current rebalance shambles. YOU DON'T BALANCE AROUND ISK IN A LOBBY SHOOTER. Just because EVE has a fully functioning economy and is an open world doesn't mean you can transplant that to Dust. If CCP increase vehicle prices again that will be final proof they have no idea what they are doing.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6357	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:09:00 - [22] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. No tank should cost more than a ***** Frigate.....they just aren't worth that ISK. What kind of ** frigate costs less than 500k? atron, incursus, rifter, punisher....condor...should I go on, or should you just log on eve and answer your own question? As per the post I am quoting, a 'well-fitted' one. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 867	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:19:00 - [23] - Quote mlt tank=59k proto scout=57k tank spam...priceless.
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 867	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:21:00 - [24] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. O....M...F...G how short are your memories?!? We just went through all this, insanely excessive prices on vehicles gave birth to all the QQ from tankers and then resulted in the current rebalance shambles. YOU DON'T BALANCE AROUND ISK IN A LOBBY SHOOTER. Just because EVE has a fully functioning economy and is an open world doesn't mean you can transplant that to Dust. If CCP increase vehicle prices again that will be final proof they have no idea what they are doing. I've no idea what's goin on with this game.
Cosgar ParagonX 8809	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:27:00 - [25] - Quote Niuvo wrote: Shion Typhon wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. O....M...F...G how short are your memories?!? We just went through all this, insanely excessive prices on vehicles gave birth to all the QQ from tankers and then resulted in the current rebalance shambles. YOU DON'T BALANCE AROUND ISK IN A LOBBY SHOOTER. Just because EVE has a fully functioning economy and is an open world doesn't mean you can transplant that to Dust. If CCP increase vehicle prices again that will be final proof they have no idea what they are doing. I've no idea what's goin on with this game. It's becoming fun again? I agree with Shion though. Balancing based on ISK is a terrible idea since we don't have the industrial background EVE has. Remember when proto heavies were crazy expensive? Prices could stand to go up quite a bit though, but maybe after the second wave of changes and re-balancing comes in. Logistics, assault, and scout vehicle, and AV roles might make a significant shift in who does what. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
R F Gyro Clones 4u 853	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:58:00 - [26] - Quote Cosgar wrote: I agree with Shion though. Balancing based on ISK is a terrible idea since we don't have the industrial background EVE has. Balancing primarily on ISK is a terrible idea anyway. Even in Eve, with its massive industrial and market base, it still leads to super cap / Titan blobs. If you want to balance something, you do so on the most constrained resource first. In this case it is number of players. The outcome of any battle is affected by... * Total ISK available to each side (unconstrained) * Total SP available to each side (unconstrained) * Player skill on each side (unconstrained) * Number of players on each side (limited to 16) At least in Eve if someone brings in a Titan then their enemy can bring in 100 dreads, because the number of players on each side isn't constrained. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 425	Posted - 2013.12.17 09:13:00 - [27] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: No QQ just a question : how much should a tank cost for the effective force they bring to the fight At 500k for a well fit standard tank I think that's in a good place price speaking. MLT tanks, I'm thinking 200k-300k is fair, usually I wouldn't consider such a price but with how effective they are....... Anyway post thoughts below. FAR too low. I can easily spend 200k on a dropsuit. Tanks have far more armor and firepower. Militia tanks should start at 300k protos should be closing on on a million with no mods.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 425	Posted - 2013.12.17 09:16:00 - [28] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Well before .7 tankers would defend their power with the high price tag, I don't think they have that arguement anymore! Nough Said! I noticed recently that I played better when tanks were expensive. I hate that I've been emboldened to deliberately make bad decisions, but if the price of ineptitude is a mere tank or three, then who cares? Tanks have about as much value as a baby girl in mainland China. I think china is finally starting to value women so this is not as true as it used to be.


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