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Vag Eye Lenol
SCIENCE FOR LIFE
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Posted - 2013.12.16 20:58:00 -
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I'd like to start out that I tolerated the last build and now frankly i'm just another pee-on customer of CCP's after this one.
Yes I have spent some money on this game, $200 not counting the console that I had purchased that the BPO was taken away from me, might i add unfortunately because I thought I would have been treated like a customer just like any other business.
Although I did receive a fast response from CCP, it wasn't regarding my concerns about how as a customer/ loyal supporter (until now most likely) that I feel that I have been played for a fool.
Yes, I requested a respec / refund of spent in game currency. Yes I was denied on that basis that they offered this option to customers 6 months ago on a different build because of the changes that were implemented. However, this is not May, it is now Dec/ going into 2014.
I've been playing this game since about closed beta, no my stats aren't spectacular, I may not have a high k/d ratio, or able to dominate a round by myself. Sure I'm sitting on a cool 21 mil sp but I am average Joe player who enjoys a good game. A customer who feels that they should be treated as such.
Sure I enjoyed running a Taxi LAV, being a broken pilot, an over-shielded Caldari Logi, a Heavy terminator that can't aim, a walking death star laser guy, and a sharpshooter that can't hit the broadside of a barn. But now I'm cowering for a place to hide from 8 tanks because this update ruined my dropship, just like the last one that nerfed my heavy, or the one before that that killed my Caldari, or the one before that... Wow, seems that everything that I've tried playing has been changed on me, now where would that leave me.
Oh wait, the game isn't BETA anymore because of an avoided lawsuit, and I can't complain because I agreed to a EULA (as opposed to discussing my personal concern I was slapped in the face with that one, great support there CCP glad that I can contact you regarding my concerns so that you can hide behind an agreement and not support the people who play the game) .
Yes, I was advised, I could present feedback on the forums, but why should I even put the effort into building a better game if I'm not given the respect as a player to even play the game.
They say you get what you pay for and thank you CCP this is exactly what I've received, a cheap night from the corner worker. And now I've got the clap, good thing I can take a chill pill and get rid of the disease.
I've juggled the idea of starting a petition for the option to respec due to consistent changes to the game. However I don't think that it would merit putting in anymore time then the countless hours I've played supporting this game for over the the last year. That's right CCP, I, a customer, have supported your game for over a year now. Just thought that I'd point that out that you will not support your customer base, even the paying ones. |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death
627
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:01:00 -
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Vote with your feet... Leave...
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ - Bringing the dakka
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Ahrendee Mercenaries
506
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:04:00 -
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I know nobody reads EULA, heck I might have stopped at nobody reads.
Sworn Shield of Cat Merc.
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
459
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:04:00 -
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Bite the bullet and move on, didnt know about the lawsuit but it is painfully apparent this pos game hasnt left beta yet. Hell I bet Mandela died because one of his buddies introduced him to this ****, game is terrible bro, I feel sick i bought the elite pack a while ago |
kafurie
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:14:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote: I feel sick i bought the elite pack a while ago
oh, dont worry about that come april all dust BPOs will be gone, made into eve BPOs, so you need to know an eve person to make it if you want to still use them. all because its messing with a fake market (ISK) |
taxi bastard
Minor Trueblood
76
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:18:00 -
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i too have spent a fair bit, and yes i agree its bull.
this game is really at a closed beta stage. Lets be fair if the game was at release stage people would not be chasing FOTM all the time and could settle on a skill plan. currently every things effectiveness is swinging wildly from useless to OP to useless to OP which is horrible.
besides balance, game mechanics and a couple of maps.......and now finally getting 2 more guns i can really remember what else has been done since i started playing. |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
485
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:21:00 -
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I have only spent $40 on this game and I still have all my BPO's.
Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter.
Working as intended.
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Jason Pearson
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:28:00 -
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Wait, you spent $200 on DUST? lawl.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire.
Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2546
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:34:00 -
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DUST is still "early Beta" despite what marketing says.
You can't argue against that when you see the complete vehicle philosophy change and rebuild. CCP is still slowly feeling their way as they build the game while we test.
Everyone would be a lot less stressed out if they internalized this. Definitely give feedback, but don't get too worked up. It's just a beta.
Support development with your cash if you want to bet on the future, or don't. Just don't demand a finished game for your dollars. It's a better bet than a KickStarter project, but it's not guaranteed to succeed either.
Treat DUST as beta and you may enjoy the ride. You can tell your grandchildren that you were there when LAVs were stronger than tanks and when tanks went from paper tigers to nearly invincible killers and back again. You can tell the about OP small missile firing pistols and the time there was but one heavy suit. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
767
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:36:00 -
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>specs into OP Cal-Logi >Gets balanced >thinks its a nerf
Try being a scout, then you can spout nerfed
Parody Dust 514 Lyrics
Vote for Delt
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
298
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:47:00 -
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Your iskGǪ.. Can I has it?
Also, what kind of dropship are you using? They're awesome now.
Preeminent Scrambler Rifle User & Dropship Enthusiast
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Ankbar Latrommi
Immortal Guides
6
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:54:00 -
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Skihids wrote:DUST is still "early Beta" despite what marketing says.
You can't argue against that when you see the complete vehicle philosophy change and rebuild.
I believe that's exactly what happened with Eve Online. CCP does things their own way, not the way you expect them to. And in an MMO, you have to accept some amount of constant change.
I don't know if folks really mean 'respect' when the speak of being customers, or if what they really want is to be served and catered too, never told they're wrong and that they deserve everything they want.
Reiner Knizia - "When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
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CrotchGrab 360
584
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:58:00 -
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Cal Logi didn't even get nerfed that badly, here's my setup
Cal C/1 ADV
3x complex shield extender 434hp
108 base armour
basic cpu upgrade
M1 locus grenades
GEK
nanohive
flux uplink
bdr-2 repair tool
so that's an ADV suit, ADV gun, ADV equipment, PRO health modules AND grenades. I've managed to go 26-0 in that suit, i've managed 3000wp in that suit.
It's still versatile and you still fit 1110hp on the proto version! |
CrotchGrab 360
586
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:01:00 -
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Oh and you don't feel like you've been treated well by CCP?
So if you bought a TV, then your local cable company did something weird and made it so you could only get channels from Asia, you'd be pretty annoyed and rightly so.
But what you did was buy a TV and sign an agreement that somebody, every month or so, could come into your house and re-tune it so you only got channels from Asia.
You signed, you agreed. it was a beta (A work in progress) it is STILL a work in progress and "subject to change".
Don't pump money into a free game! I'm annoyed with DUST but have spent nothing on it so whatever, people are working on something which I can enjoy for free.
I don't think the fact anyone has spent money has anything to do with tank spam, you're getting shitted on just as much as we are, you just decided to spend money which you didn't have to do.
So you spent money on the game therefore CCP have to do as you say? |
XEROO COOL
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
202
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:06:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Wait, you spent $200 on DUST? lawl. You don't have a spare $200 you could wipe your ass with?? LAWL
Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face!
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1278
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:07:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:I know nobody reads EULA, heck I might have stopped at nobody reads.
TLDR what's your point?
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2547
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:20:00 -
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If DUST follows EVE it will be another couple of years before all the basic content is in and balanced.
Things will still change after that as they do in any MMO, but it will be an expansion rather than rebuild. |
Orion Vahid
DUST University Ivy League
213
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:26:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:>specs into OP Cal-Logi >Gets balanced >thinks its a nerf
Try being a scout, then you can spout nerfed He did mention Heavies. Every build we just get ****** over and over again and CCP ignores us and scouts. Seriously, how long did you guys complain till CCP gave a "fix"? |
Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1090
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:33:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:I know nobody reads EULA, heck I might have stopped at nobody reads. TLDR what's your point? Stopped reading at TL.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Cenex Langly
0uter.Heaven
509
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:45:00 -
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I only cared to comment on the title.
The $240 that I spent on this game in the time since January through May 14th has paid itself off. I no longer feel obligated to play anymore. I've since removed the client from my PS3. I'll keep an eye on the the Dev Blogs and the forums to see what major changes come next. If something looks good I'll come back to the game and try to squeeze out a couple more hours from my sunk cost.
Newb
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Vag Eye Lenol
SCIENCE FOR LIFE
9
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:54:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Oh and you don't feel like you've been treated well by CCP?
So if you bought a TV, then your local cable company did something weird and made it so you could only get channels from Asia, you'd be pretty annoyed and rightly so.
But what you did was buy a TV and sign an agreement that somebody, every month or so, could come into your house and re-tune it so you only got channels from Asia.
You signed, you agreed. it was a beta (A work in progress) it is STILL a work in progress and "subject to change".
Don't pump money into a free game! I'm annoyed with DUST but have spent nothing on it so whatever, people are working on something which I can enjoy for free.
I don't think the fact anyone has spent money has anything to do with tank spam, you're getting shitted on just as much as we are, you just decided to spend money which you didn't have to do.
So you spent money on the game therefore CCP have to do as you say?
Everyone in this forum is now dumber because they've tried to understand this post. Jp
I don't care whether I spent money on this game or not, heck I spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars on video games, callconsoles, dlc you name it. I've even held cash prizes to promote/support this game. Head over to PSU.com and see for yourself.
The fact of the matter is, I'm a player, I've played many different roles in this game so I may write about it. I understand that there may be updates and changes on an ongoing basis, but if you spec yourself into a scout or even pilot or logi or heavy, you should also have the option to change your mind as opposed to having an agreement shoved in your direction.
Your right they did reserve the right to make changes and avoid any consequences legally. But that doesn't make it right for the players to suffer, or throw out invested time. It's not about the dollars spent, it's about the countless hours invested by many such as yourself. As far as I see it, everyone who reaches a certain point in this game as earned the right to "respec". If you spent 6 months playing because you thought you wanted to be a sniper but they suddenly changed that you can only see 1000 meters, you might want the chance to play as a logi. But you can't because once you play you can't enjoy the game another way because they've already got your time/ or money. |
Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1091
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:05:00 -
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Vag Eye Lenol wrote:[...]If you spent 6 months playing because you thought you wanted to be a sniper but they suddenly changed that you can only see 1000 meters, you might want the chance to play as a logi. But you can't because once you play you can't enjoy the game another way because they've already got your time/ or money. What? You want to play logi?
Spec logi, done.
That's a week or less for a solid STD fit and you get to keep your core skills.
And you totally can enjoy it. After you let go of the false idea that you need a respec for every thing, that is.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
683
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:06:00 -
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Look at World of Warcraft, the most successful and profitable MMO of all time.... the few years I played that game was a rollercoaster of buffs/nerfs to basically every class in the game as they tweaked this and that, balanced around PVE and PVP, introduced new races/classes, increased level caps, added new content, etc etc.
Buffs and nerfs aside, selling BPO's to players and then taking them away, all in an attempt to be more profitable as a business and promote the same players to invest more $$ into your beta project is just **** morally and ethically, but if they make money off of it and it is legal.... good business model I suppose? lol
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Ankbar Latrommi
Immortal Guides
6
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:06:00 -
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Vag Eye Lenol wrote:I understand that there may be updates and changes on an ongoing basis, but if you spec yourself into a scout or even pilot or logi or heavy, you should also have the option to change your mind as opposed to having an agreement shoved in your direction.
I heartily disagree. Eve is not WoW, nor will it ever be. Respects are not to be a casual part of game play. No skill is useless--you just chose to stop applying it.
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Eve> FPS
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Ahrendee Mercenaries
511
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:10:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:I know nobody reads EULA, heck I might have stopped at nobody reads. TLDR what's your point?
I dunno, didn't read it either.
Sworn Shield of Cat Merc.
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Stevez WingYip
NI Eve Corp
83
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:14:00 -
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Vag Eye Lenol wrote:I'd like to start out that I tolerated the last build and now frankly i'm just another pee-on customer of CCP's after this one.
Yes I have spent some money on this game, $200 not counting the console that I had purchased that the BPO was taken away from me, might i add unfortunately because I thought I would have been treated like a customer just like any other business.
Although I did receive a fast response from CCP, it wasn't regarding my concerns about how as a customer/ loyal supporter (until now most likely) that I feel that I have been played for a fool.
Yes, I requested a respec / refund of spent in game currency. Yes I was denied on that basis that they offered this option to customers 6 months ago on a different build because of the changes that were implemented. However, this is not May, it is now Dec/ going into 2014.
I've been playing this game since about closed beta, no my stats aren't spectacular, I may not have a high k/d ratio, or able to dominate a round by myself. Sure I'm sitting on a cool 21 mil sp but I am average Joe player who enjoys a good game. A customer who feels that they should be treated as such.
Sure I enjoyed running a Taxi LAV, being a broken pilot, an over-shielded Caldari Logi, a Heavy terminator that can't aim, a walking death star laser guy, and a sharpshooter that can't hit the broadside of a barn. But now I'm cowering for a place to hide from 8 tanks because this update ruined my dropship, just like the last one that nerfed my heavy, or the one before that that killed my Caldari, or the one before that... Wow, seems that everything that I've tried playing has been changed on me, now where would that leave me.
Oh wait, the game isn't BETA anymore because of an avoided lawsuit, and I can't complain because I agreed to a EULA (as opposed to discussing my personal concern I was slapped in the face with that one, great support there CCP glad that I can contact you regarding my concerns so that you can hide behind an agreement and not support the people who play the game) .
Yes, I was advised, I could present feedback on the forums, but why should I even put the effort into building a better game if I'm not given the respect as a player to even play the game.
They say you get what you pay for and thank you CCP this is exactly what I've received, a cheap night from the corner worker. And now I've got the clap, good thing I can take a chill pill and get rid of the disease.
I've juggled the idea of starting a petition for the option to respec due to consistent changes to the game. However I don't think that it would merit putting in anymore time then the countless hours I've played supporting this game for over the the last year. That's right CCP, I, a customer, have supported your game for over a year now. Just thought that I'd point that out that you will not support your customer base, even the paying ones.
In my opinion, they should get all the planned content out, such as the rest of the suits, vehicles and weapons, and give out one more final repsec and end it there. |
steadyhand amarr
Scions of Athra
2100
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:23:00 -
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these thread are starting to gather pace and from a lot of unknown mercs not just blantant alts :|
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Vag Eye Lenol
SCIENCE FOR LIFE
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:13:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:these thread are starting to gather pace and from a lot of unknown mercs not just blantant alts :|
Yup. Take for instance my post count, mine would probably be close to nil. I took the time to write ccp, they didn't take the time to address. So I'm doing as instructed, post it here and maybe they will care.
hope more people post and put in their opinion. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
471
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:33:00 -
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Vag Eye Lenol wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:these thread are starting to gather pace and from a lot of unknown mercs not just blantant alts :| Yup. Take for instance my post count, mine would probably be close to nil. I took the time to write ccp, they didn't take the time to address. So I'm doing as instructed, post it here and maybe they will care. hope more people post and put in their opinion.
200 bux is a night at the bar... or a couple good hours
Video games is one of the cheapest recreations out there.. if you have been playing that long? I would say you might have got your money's worth just in basic entertainment costs.
And you still have your character as proof of investment and I'm assuming a few BPO's?. They removed 2 BPO's from the game not because of anything to do with a BPO what so ever
They removed those items from the game period and then the BPO represented nothing... as they did a ground up rework of vehicles... those items no longer exist. It was a small item worth 500 Aurum for those in beta... and 4k and some change for those in Uprising.. it wasn't even a huge investment adverse to a 48 thousand Aurum for a 30 day omega booster. I lost the item too..
I will miss it. Did I feel it was worth the 4k Aurum they gave me back per? not really.. but its a fair reimbursement at market value currently, and if you bought it in beta you made a profit in Aurum from CCP which cost them probably a fair bit when you add it all up.
As far as skill respec's they really do need to stop in the game. As in any MMO they have made giant FOTM cycles.. and people running peak builds around the FOTM... we want diversity in DUST... and we have the ability to save up more skill point's and simply spec into it later... We don't ever cap out skill points or levels limiting our ability to save and branch out.
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Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1091
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:39:00 -
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Vag Eye Lenol wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:these thread are starting to gather pace and from a lot of unknown mercs not just blantant alts :| Yup. Take for instance my post count, mine would probably be close to nil. I took the time to write ccp, they didn't take the time to address. So I'm doing as instructed, post it here and maybe they will care. hope more people post and put in their opinion. This happened after the last two respecs in the past aswell.
And why be surprised? Respecs are such a nice and simple idea that some people hope can fix nearly everything that ails this game. Of course its going to be a popular concept.
In reality though, this only shows that they are not in fact the magic pill people make them out to be. The game is still struggling with the same issues and will continue to until fixed.
But the next respec will solve everything. Just one more....maybe two.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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