DUST Search - People that complain about tanks have to watch this

Winsaucerer wrote:

That was very silly, and not at all persuasive. It's jarring to be listening to someone talk about how balanced tanks are (along with all his reasons), while watching a video of him killing infantry with impunity. The infantry run around helplessly trying to get away -- because without changing suits (and you can't just change as soon as you see a tank), that's all you can do. The video sounded more like a tanker who is happy about how well things are going for him.

Also, who cares if you, Flix Keptick, will disregard someone's opinion because they don't watch some video you think is obligatory?

As someone else suggested to me, infantry should be for killing infantry and capping objectives. Tanks should be for killing vehicles and infrastructure. Infantry and tanks should not be able to easily kill each other -- they should have different roles. Maybe fill out the medium tier vehicles that are reasonable against infantry, and the tank role be to shut these down.

As it is, tanks are infantry slayers.

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Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1667	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:03:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lum_B9Scwo8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUvM6TnwjRRqUzoRNocvtO0Q Before saying anything watch it ENTIRELY, or else you're opinion will be disregarded. All credit goes to CEOpyrex Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 227	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:36:00 - [2] - Quote That was very silly, and not at all persuasive. It's jarring to be listening to someone talk about how balanced tanks are (along with all his reasons), while watching a video of him killing infantry with impunity. The infantry run around helplessly trying to get away -- because without changing suits (and you can't just change as soon as you see a tank), that's all you can do. The video sounded more like a tanker who is happy about how well things are going for him. Also, who cares if you, Flix Keptick, will disregard someone's opinion because they don't watch some video you think is obligatory? As someone else suggested to me, infantry should be for killing infantry and capping objectives. Tanks should be for killing vehicles and infrastructure. Infantry and tanks should not be able to easily kill each other -- they should have different roles. Maybe fill out the medium tier vehicles that are reasonable against infantry, and the tank role be to shut these down. As it is, tanks are infantry slayers.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3246	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:38:00 - [3] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lum_B9Scwo8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUvM6TnwjRRqUzoRNocvtO0Q Before saying anything watch it ENTIRELY, or else you're opinion will be disregarded. All credit goes to CEOpyrex So if i do a video of a MLT tank taking 4 Shots straight to the face of my Breach FG,prof 5, 2 cx damage mods AND Surviving and as soon as his hardeners are down flee while i reload....then what? Tanks are not necessarily broken, tank spam is. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 852	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:43:00 - [4] - Quote Exactly. Escalation! No more just run assaults around and end game. Richness, layers, full war with the limitations we have which is to say we can't call in reinforcements of more players nor should we due to cloning. The players are the reinforcements. They escalate the battle from infantry to vehicle land war. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1939	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:45:00 - [5] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tanks are not necessarily broken, tank spam is. This. Tanks are finally powerful, that's good, but being 6 people against 8 tanks is clearly broken. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
General John Ripper Pradox One Proficiency V. 18524	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:47:00 - [6] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tanks are not necessarily broken, tank spam is. This. Tanks are finally powerful, that's good, but being 6 people against 8 tanks is clearly broken. This makes me a sad ripper. My alts: DeadlyAztec11, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
Omareth Nasadra Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 171	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:50:00 - [7] - Quote i stop watching when he said scout are now ok with this patch Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 227	Posted - 2013.12.16 04:57:00 - [8] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Tanks are not necessarily broken, tank spam is. This. Tanks are finally powerful, that's good, but being 6 people against 8 tanks is clearly broken. Tanks were powerful before this patch also. The problem was that they also cost a mint, so the risk wasn't necessarily worth the reward (or sapped the fun out of it).
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1668	Posted - 2013.12.16 06:20:00 - [9] - Quote Winsaucerer wrote: That was very silly, and not at all persuasive. It's jarring to be listening to someone talk about how balanced tanks are (along with all his reasons), while watching a video of him killing infantry with impunity. The infantry run around helplessly trying to get away -- because without changing suits (and you can't just change as soon as you see a tank), that's all you can do. The video sounded more like a tanker who is happy about how well things are going for him. Also, who cares if you, Flix Keptick, will disregard someone's opinion because they don't watch some video you think is obligatory? As someone else suggested to me, infantry should be for killing infantry and capping objectives. Tanks should be for killing vehicles and infrastructure. Infantry and tanks should not be able to easily kill each other -- they should have different roles. Maybe fill out the medium tier vehicles that are reasonable against infantry, and the tank role be to shut these down. As it is, tanks are infantry slayers. You got me wrong, I stated that people would be disregarded because sometime they jump on a conclusion because they didnt see the explanation (at the end of the vid). He says that he can kill infantry with impunity because the enemy team didn't make any effort to field tanks of their own. Maybe making the blaster turret less effective against infantry (cause it'a the infantry killer) would be a good thing? I honeatly don't know. That's CCP's job Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1668	Posted - 2013.12.16 06:22:00 - [10] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Exactly. Escalation! No more just run assaults around and end game. Richness, layers, full war with the limitations we have which is to say we can't call in reinforcements of more players nor should we due to cloning. The players are the reinforcements. They escalate the battle from infantry to vehicle land war. DO YOU NOT SEE THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY IN THAT VIDEO! It looks like war. It looks like the promo videos for DUST! You will finally have to move like infantry need to move instead of this damn ring around the roses bunny hopping merry go round movement. You will have to increase what you bring to the fight. Proto infantry can still win matches; but, tanks can even the fight. Someone finaly gets it Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity. GÿåTank driverGÿå

Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4096	Posted - 2013.12.16 06:44:00 - [11] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lum_B9Scwo8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUvM6TnwjRRqUzoRNocvtO0Q Before saying anything watch it ENTIRELY, or else you're opinion will be disregarded. All credit goes to CEOpyrex Pyrex isn't really looking at the issue from all sides though. I know for a fact he isn't taking into account how they balance out against Dropships, for instance. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Mithridates VI 2146	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:08:00 - [12] - Quote I like Pyrex but I think he's overstating the ease with which tanks can be destroyed. I run proto swarms, so my position on this isn't unbiased either, but I feel that if a tanker is stupid enough to sit around for me to launch ALL of the proto swarms I can carry (6 at present), that should be more significant to them than it is at the moment. Currently, they can drive straight at me when I launch the first one from swarm range and be on top of me, locking me down if I'm in suitable cover or just parking their tank on me if I was using a hill. Even if I empty everything I have, they're still unwilling to explode. That said, I don't think it's as bad as everyone is saying. I think we're close. The Art of War IN SPACE
dogmanpig black market bank 80	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:16:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lum_B9Scwo8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUvM6TnwjRRqUzoRNocvtO0Q Before saying anything watch it ENTIRELY, or else you're opinion will be disregarded. All credit goes to CEOpyrex Pyrex isn't really looking at the issue from all sides though. I know for a fact he isn't taking into account how they balance out against Dropships, for instance. i can tell you that Dropships are in a much better place now. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Exmaple Core D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1632	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:23:00 - [14] - Quote Everyone here thinks they should be soloing tanks. "yeah i think tanks should still be weak enough to be soloed. Its not fair that it takes two people to kill one tank."
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 38	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:25:00 - [15] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lum_B9Scwo8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUvM6TnwjRRqUzoRNocvtO0Q Before saying anything watch it ENTIRELY, or else you're opinion will be disregarded. All credit goes to CEOpyrex Pyrex isn't really looking at the issue from all sides though. I know for a fact he isn't taking into account how they balance out against Dropships, for instance. i can tell you that Dropships are in a much better place now. Heaven?
Exmaple Core D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1632	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:25:00 - [16] - Quote Prex is a pretty awesome dude, im going to listen to his videos more often
Mithridates VI 2146	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:28:00 - [17] - Quote If tanks are supposed to take multiple people to take them down, what's the incentive now to just all cruise around in tanks so as not to be unbalanced teams. The Art of War IN SPACE
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1275	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:36:00 - [18] - Quote "People who complain about tanks, watch this video made by a tanker!"
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1856	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:41:00 - [19] - Quote If they capped number of tanks in a match each side could field to 2 or 3 that'd be sweet. Why even have a limit at all otherwise? When you go into ambush and see 5 tanks on the enemy team, you lose even if you're team is 10 full proto's running dedicated prof 5 swarms. done it. The open ground favors them and the high ground in inaccessible cept by DS, and tanks eat DS's for breakfast. Forge's and Swarms has been nerfed too much. I emptied the entire capacity of my wyrkomi swarms with double damage mods into a tank...every bit of ammo it had...tank didn't even move. Master naders: Geniuses at evening the odds. Favorite Skype: Zatara.Rought
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1791	Posted - 2013.12.16 07:41:00 - [20] - Quote I just think armour reps are still too strong for tanks. If a tank is not glowing and I unload 5-7 proto swarms with 2-3 complex dmg mods, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off so easily and come back fighting so quickly. Armour tanks were meant to be the stand and deliver tank that has to stay out of a fight because of the rep time. Now it seems like Shield tanks have to sit out longer. Edited. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4188	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:10:00 - [21] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: you're opinion will be disregarded. I am NOT opinion will be disregarded. HOW DARE YOU say such a thing? (also, I got bored about 10 seconds in. I have a migraine, and that makes my attention span kind of go missing)
calvin b SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER 1227	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:40:00 - [22] - Quote I can give two S***'s about tanks. I will keep running my LAV into them and if I do this enough I hope to drain enough ISK they quit trying to spam so many tanks in one battle. The evil hidden in the name
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 942	Posted - 2013.12.16 08:46:00 - [23] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Everyone here thinks they should be soloing WITH tanks. fixed. unfortunately the average tank driver mentality is like that. I wonder why they dont just go play CoD
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 993	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:10:00 - [24] - Quote He's the same guy that said pre-nerf flaylocks werent OP, all while replacing his primary with a flaylock for his last 10 videos prior to nerf and getting scores of 5-10.0 k/d dual wielding FLs. He already lost his credibility as just another FOTM user and defender in my eyes. Its sad really that he does bring up some points about balancing, but when it comes to balancing, he bandwagons with the current FOTM. Anyways on the topic of the vid The only thing that came close to killing him was a railgun installations, which would include railgun tanks since they operate the same way, which isnt an AV infantry weapon. He laughs at the idea of MLT SL users complaining on the forums when there are plenty and plenty of legitimate PRO Complex Dmg SL users on the forum saying how you would need 2+ just to take out a tanker that isnt completely clueless at tanking. He runs away from a lone FGer with full HP and fresh hardeners and used shield booster when his shields were at full hp which leads me to believe he still has repressed memories of pre-1.7 tanking and doesnt fully grasp the current tank's iteration. He blatantly admits that the only counter for a tank should be with another tank and that it should stay that way. I guess AV should be removed and the only counter for an LAV is another LAV and dropships with dropships. Not making a compelling argument when he makes yet another vid that proves what he's trying to argue against.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 403	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:13:00 - [25] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lum_B9Scwo8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUvM6TnwjRRqUzoRNocvtO0Q Before saying anything watch it ENTIRELY, or else you're opinion will be disregarded. All credit goes to CEOpyrex So if i do a video of a MLT tank taking 4 Shots straight to the face of my Breach FG,prof 5, 2 cx damage mods AND Surviving and as soon as his hardeners are down flee while i reload....then what? Tanks are not necessarily broken, tank spam is. Breach forges have always been trash for anything but killing dropships. Lrn2AssaultForge for maximum DPS. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 942	Posted - 2013.12.16 09:14:00 - [26] - Quote the guy recording the vids is a known FOTM defender also I love that logic, defending how tanks are not OP while posting a video of tanks killing stuff left and right
NOAMIzzzzz 0uter.Heaven 75	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:42:00 - [27] - Quote Lol tbh pyrex is full of **** and sucks ass at this game.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1939	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:40:00 - [28] - Quote Tanks are fine Finally my tank has the fear back and scares the **** out of infantry like it used to No longer is it 'oh look a tank free WP' while infantry bunny hops around Even if 1 side spams tanks you can still easily win on foot since they never step out of the tank and also you cant hack an objective while in a tank
Castor Crave Orbital Flares 173	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:41:00 - [29] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lum_B9Scwo8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUvM6TnwjRRqUzoRNocvtO0Q Before saying anything watch it ENTIRELY, or else you're opinion will be disregarded. All credit goes to CEOpyrex Aah another Pyrex Vid. Talented sympathetic speaker, but sadly with some rather hypocritical opinions. He hates people fielding proto, names and shames, points fingers and rages while running proto fotm himself. Sometimes he has a point though, like in his video in regards to a certain addition to the Community Team, which ironically enough has been taken down. Here I have to disagree with him. In fact, the footage kinda brings across the opposite of what he is trying to convey.
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 33	Posted - 2013.12.16 11:58:00 - [30] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I just think armour reps are still too strong for tanks. If a tank is not glowing and I unload 5-7 proto swarms with 2-3 complex dmg mods, they shouldn't be able to shrug it off so easily and come back fighting so quickly. Armour tanks were meant to be the stand and deliver tank that has to stay out of a fight because of the rep time. Now it seems like Shield tanks have to sit out longer. Edited. thats "rep stacking" 1 rep is fine, 2 is another story



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