the problem with all your suggestions and rebuttals, none of it is in the game....

again, and I will reiterate my question...

as the game is now, what are swarms good for that another weapon doesn't already do better?

if ccp had taken the time to make swarms useful still this post wouldn't exist, until this patch they were effective against tanks, now they have no defined role... period.

and tanks have no real counter other than another tank or a dedicated anti tank squad, and even this isn't working right because there are to many tanks on the damn field at once.

nerds want ccp to be on the nerd bandwagon. eve and all. CCP wants to make a fun FPS game. Lets see how this goes about.

"we just want to make a fun FPS game" *yup. Quoted from CCP*

Yup.

Well they are an anti vehicle weapon. I'm sure you have already made up your mind on the term anti vehicle, I view it as destroying or deterring vehicles. Swarms deal explosive damage so they are more suited against armor vehicles.
Further more swarms are a light weapon, so I assume they are most effective against light vehicles, however when coupled with a few other light weapons, or a heavy weapon or another vehicle they can help on harder targets like tanks.

Since when did the whole "light weapon means a weak weapon" thing start? Is this why people counter AR/CR/RR/SC and other light weapons with the superior heavy weapons? No one in their right mind would think that light weapons are weak in any other aspect but vs. a vehicle unless we're talking about the SL. SL users sacrifice a weapon to defend themselves to make suicide runs trying to destroy tanks. I call it a suicide run no matter how tactical you are about it because they're sitting ducks to everything. To say that a light weapon should be ineffective just because it has "light" in the description is ridiculous when you consider that the only alternative is that for every tank you need 2 proto forge gunners waddling around.

If everyone wants to jump on this "SL is a light weapon therefore it can't kill anything because it's a light weaponGǪ light weapon" bandwagon that seems to have just taken off the last few days then I propose the FG gets a massive damage buff. Like crazy. I'm talking about buffing it from the 1.4 baseline. If it's to truly be the "main AV weapon", make it able to destroy a specced out tank in one clip at maximum optimization. By this i mean proto/proficiency 5/damage mods. It's a "heavy weapon" after all and should obliterate everything, especially "heavy" vehicles like tanks.

I won't QQ about a respec if everyone's all on board with this "light/heavy" bullshit, I'll start grinding today for the FG fit. At this point I'll have just about every method of AV at my disposal and if someone tells me I shouldn't be able to kill a tank then I can confidently tell them they don't know what they're talking about.

Until that time I say drop the whole "light weapons can't hurt heavy things because like the names are different" argument because it really doesn't match up to the fact that the SL holds the title for the AV weapon of Dust 514 in the sense that it's completely, irrefutably designed for destroying vehicles. **** the "well not all vehicles because, well you know, lightGǪ" spam. It simply doesn't mean anything when you look at what the weapon is.

they cant hit infantry, they cant even hit a neutral turret.

all they can do is lock on vehicles and shoot them.

so why do so many think swarms aren't meant to be the main anti vehicle weapon?

what use are they if they aren't vehicle killers?

forgeguns can kill infantry, swarms cant, so to me swarms seem more av than even forges are.

should we be able to target mercs with swarms?

please oh wise dust community, enlighten me....

since swarms can only target vehicles why aren't they supposed to be able to kill them, even OHK weaker ones?

Since when did the whole "light weapon means a weak weapon" thing start? Is this why people counter AR/CR/RR/SC and other light weapons with the superior heavy weapons? No one in their right mind would think that light weapons are weak in any other aspect but vs. a vehicle unless we're talking about the SL. SL users sacrifice a weapon to defend themselves to make suicide runs trying to destroy tanks. I call it a suicide run no matter how tactical you are about it because they're sitting ducks to everything. To say that a light weapon should be ineffective just because it has "light" in the description is ridiculous when you consider that the only alternative is that for every tank you need 2 proto forge gunners waddling around.

If everyone wants to jump on this "SL is a light weapon therefore it can't kill anything because it's a light weaponGǪ light weapon" bandwagon that seems to have just taken off the last few days then I propose the FG gets a massive damage buff. Like crazy. I'm talking about buffing it from the 1.4 baseline. If it's to truly be the "main AV weapon", make it able to destroy a specced out tank in one clip at maximum optimization. By this i mean proto/proficiency 5/damage mods. It's a "heavy weapon" after all and should obliterate everything, especially "heavy" vehicles like tanks.

I won't QQ about a respec if everyone's all on board with this "light/heavy" bullshit, I'll start grinding today for the FG fit. At this point I'll have just about every method of AV at my disposal and if someone tells me I shouldn't be able to kill a tank then I can confidently tell them they don't know what they're talking about.

Until that time I say drop the whole "light weapons can't hurt heavy things because like the names are different" argument because it really doesn't match up to the fact that the SL holds the title for the AV weapon of Dust 514 in the sense that it's completely, irrefutably designed for destroying vehicles. **** the "well not all vehicles because, well you know, lightGǪ" spam. It simply doesn't mean anything when you look at what the weapon is.

When drones and small turret installations come back then swarm missiles will seem worth it.

I'm down for that. So that forge guns would not be OP, make them barely able to turn, and cut HAV speeds to compensate. This makes hitting LAVs and dropships much harder for the forge gun, and ensures that it wont wreck everything that moves.

Light weapon=light vehicles. Also, installations and dropships.

Ultimately a deterrent to tanks as a still very successful area of denial.

No, killing a tank is not the only measure of success of a light weapon.

Problem is, CCP and tankers seem to think they are working.

People don't seem to understand how balance works. If an AV weapon is overpowered relative to vehicles, then how do you beat it? You don't call in vehicles. If a vehicle is overpowered relative to AV, then how do you beat it? You don't because AV is the one thing designed to destroy the vehicles.

Right now the only viable way to kill a tank is with a tank, which is the definition of overpowered. Having to use 3 or 4 people all using proto weapons designed specifically to destroy vehicles just to kill one militia tank is moronic.

Swarms = AV weapon

AV = Anti vehicle

I still see players kill vehicles with swarms

Why cant you do the same?

Easy watch a tank shooting at another tank till the tank you want to shoot is nearly down and deliver the final blow. Or have 3 to 4 Swarm users pair with forge gunners and do the same.

Is it possible? Yes. Is it effective? NO. Is it worth the risk of beeing gunned down by Infantry?IMHO NO.

BTW You can bring down Tanks with RE's are those AV weapons? Hardly. You can still deliver the final blow to a tank with the MD. Is the MD an AV weapon? Hardly....

I'm the type of person who thinks anti vehicle weapons shouldn't be effective vs vehicles. I have a terrible opinion.

Vehicle drivers don't want to play the game, they just want to collect free kills, so wherever they can see AV nerfed, it will be nerfed.

This game is an absolute joke right now

I'm the type of person who thinks anti vehicle weapons shouldn't be effective vs vehicles. I have a terrible opinion.

Shotguns could be a heavy weapon if they gained more range, more ammo, and a faster fire rate.

to answer the OP, atm the swarm launcher is meant to serve as a visually pleasing yet absolutely worthless AV weapon, which due to nerfs, cannot fulfil its intended role, and should the AV runner get within the new joke targeting range, the weapon doubles up as a poor suicide device.

Might as well call it the tickle launcher since everyone just laughs as it hits them.