DUST Search - I've been doing a census

Benjamin Ciscko wrote:

Roger Cordill wrote:

message from Godin:

Since 1.7 dropped, I have been making a list of how many Caldari vehicles and Gallente vehicles that I see on the field. Long story short, i've got a ratio (Caldari to Gallente) of 3:1.

When I found this out, I was like "wtf is up with this ****?" and I went to investigate. I searched for hours to find out why, and was talking to Mr. Pearson, and found out why.

Those things have insane abilities to fit stuff. remember how caldari HAV's couldn't really fit blasters? Now they can fit PROTO ones easily. Gallente HAV's can't even fit them without having a gimped fit.

No wonder why I've been seeing Gunnlgi's with Ion Cannons (well, it's not like they're killing me or anything), yet the highest I've seen a Maddy go is a neutron Blaster. That needs fixing.

Also, I found out that they can almost perma run their hardeners. Yes, I **** you not. At least with Gallente HAV's you can't perma run without having no local repps. with Caldari vehicles, you always have repps, and therefore you don't need to put one on.

Those issues needs looking into.

Peace, Godin Twisted

I could have went blasters if I wanted to I still could would not have to get that much sp to be able to fit it but I chose missiles because they are armor tank killers and I usually run with an armor tank in PC so I do the burst DPS against the shields and the blaster finishes him off before reloading. I do agree blasters should be a hard fit for Gunnlogi's and an easier fit for Madrugar's, I would gladly exchange the ability to fit damage mods without impeding my fit for blasters

Doesn't the armor tanks hardeners cool down last only like 36 seconds or something while the active time is past that.

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Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 255	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:47:00 - [1] - Quote message from Godin: Since 1.7 dropped, I have been making a list of how many Caldari vehicles and Gallente vehicles that I see on the field. Long story short, i've got a ratio (Caldari to Gallente) of 3:1. When I found this out, I was like "wtf is up with this **?" and I went to investigate. I searched for hours to find out why, and was talking to Mr. Pearson, and found out why. Those things have insane abilities to fit stuff. remember how caldari HAV's couldn't really fit blasters? Now they can fit PROTO ones easily. Gallente HAV's can't even fit them without having a gimped fit. No wonder why I've been seeing Gunnlgi's with Ion Cannons (well, it's not like they're killing me or anything), yet the highest I've seen a Maddy go is a neutron Blaster. That needs fixing. Also, I found out that they can almost perma run their hardeners. Yes, I ** you not. At least with Gallente HAV's you can't perma run without having no local repps. with Caldari vehicles, you always have repps, and therefore you don't need to put one on. Those issues needs looking into. Peace, Godin
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1232	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:48:00 - [2] - Quote Guristas Saga. Fizzer94 // Level 1 Forum Warrior // The Plasma Cannon is NOT underpowered
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 256	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:50:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Guristas Saga. message from Godin: I didn't count the BPO LAV's in this, otherwise it would be more like 5:1
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1527	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:57:00 - [4] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Since 1.7 dropped, I have been making a list of how many Caldari vehicles and Gallente vehicles that I see on the field. Long story short, i've got a ratio (Caldari to Gallente) of 3:1. When I found this out, I was like "wtf is up with this **?" and I went to investigate. I searched for hours to find out why, and was talking to Mr. Pearson, and found out why. Those things have insane abilities to fit stuff. remember how caldari HAV's couldn't really fit blasters? Now they can fit PROTO ones easily. Gallente HAV's can't even fit them without having a gimped fit. No wonder why I've been seeing Gunnlgi's with Ion Cannons (well, it's not like they're killing me or anything), yet the highest I've seen a Maddy go is a neutron Blaster. That needs fixing. Also, I found out that they can almost perma run their hardeners. Yes, I ** you not. At least with Gallente HAV's you can't perma run without having no local repps. with Caldari vehicles, you always have repps, and therefore you don't need to put one on. Those issues needs looking into. Peace, Godin lol how can you make a thread like this when you've been defending tank spam.... even the tank enthusiast are seeing problems now. tank spam broke dust even more..... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
CrotchGrab 360 Caldari State 554	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:46:00 - [5] - Quote i was wondering why i was seeing a certain tank glowing throughout 100% of the match earlier. You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6276	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:55:00 - [6] - Quote I've not lost my State Gunnlogi yet - with militia hardeners it still almost permaruns them. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 383	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:56:00 - [7] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Since 1.7 dropped, I have been making a list of how many Caldari vehicles and Gallente vehicles that I see on the field. Long story short, i've got a ratio (Caldari to Gallente) of 3:1. When I found this out, I was like "wtf is up with this **?" and I went to investigate. I searched for hours to find out why, and was talking to Mr. Pearson, and found out why. Those things have insane abilities to fit stuff. remember how caldari HAV's couldn't really fit blasters? Now they can fit PROTO ones easily. Gallente HAV's can't even fit them without having a gimped fit. No wonder why I've been seeing Gunnlgi's with Ion Cannons (well, it's not like they're killing me or anything), yet the highest I've seen a Maddy go is a neutron Blaster. That needs fixing. Also, I found out that they can almost perma run their hardeners. Yes, I ** you not. At least with Gallente HAV's you can't perma run without having no local repps. with Caldari vehicles, you always have repps, and therefore you don't need to put one on. Those issues needs looking into. Peace, Godin I could have went blasters if I wanted to I still could would not have to get that much sp to be able to fit it but I chose missiles because they are armor tank killers and I usually run with an armor tank in PC so I do the burst DPS against the shields and the blaster finishes him off before reloading. I do agree blasters should be a hard fit for Gunnlogi's and an easier fit for Madrugar's, I would gladly exchange the ability to fit damage mods without impeding my fit for blasters Doesn't the armor tanks hardeners cool down last only like 36 seconds or something while the active time is past that. Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1060	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:57:00 - [8] - Quote Yes, armor tanks are beginner friendly while shield tanks can be better once you get more SP due to better CPU and PG. You can make good low-level Missile and Railgun sets with a CPU mod on a Madrugar and have comparable performance other than the reps. At higher levels it becomes hard to fit anything other than Blasters, which shield tanks have little problem fitting. I only usually use Madrugars when there are no more enemy HAVs on the field or we out number them. I find my Madrugars end up being CPU capped on many fits. For instance, to run double hardeners and a repper with a ADV amped Blaster, all my modules need to be Basic ATM. My Gunny can fit 2 Enhanced Shield Hardeners, some decent armor tank in the lows to escape and fit the same amped Blaster no sweat. Regen under hardeners needs nerfing (not total removal, though) due to how much more effective they are when each point of HP stops so much damage after hardeners. A double hardened shield tank regens the equivalent of 1000 HP of damage a second after resistances. Madrugar CPU needs a buff. HAVs need to cost 120k/200k and modules need to cost 20% more. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 825	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:02:00 - [9] - Quote I haven't skilled in too far but have you factored in the hidden pg/cpu on the Maddy?
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3214	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:03:00 - [10] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Since 1.7 dropped, I have been making a list of how many Caldari vehicles and Gallente vehicles that I see on the field. Long story short, i've got a ratio (Caldari to Gallente) of 3:1. When I found this out, I was like "wtf is up with this **?" and I went to investigate. I searched for hours to find out why, and was talking to Mr. Pearson, and found out why. Those things have insane abilities to fit stuff. remember how caldari HAV's couldn't really fit blasters? Now they can fit PROTO ones easily. Gallente HAV's can't even fit them without having a gimped fit. No wonder why I've been seeing Gunnlgi's with Ion Cannons (well, it's not like they're killing me or anything), yet the highest I've seen a Maddy go is a neutron Blaster. That needs fixing. Also, I found out that they can almost perma run their hardeners. Yes, I ** you not. At least with Gallente HAV's you can't perma run without having no local repps. with Caldari vehicles, you always have repps, and therefore you don't need to put one on. Those issues needs looking into. Peace, Godin Actually , my Sica has 2 Shield hardeners and armor plate and Armor hardener, Gives me a lot Of battle time before having to retreat. (i repair my tank with Rep tool LOL.) AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 67	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:05:00 - [11] - Quote Gimped fit how? I run a Madrugar with Ion cannons and still have room for 2 reppers and 1 hardener. No room for small turrets or a scanner, but I can fit a basic nos on it just fine...
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4908	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:05:00 - [12] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Since 1.7 dropped, I have been making a list of how many Caldari vehicles and Gallente vehicles that I see on the field. Long story short, i've got a ratio (Caldari to Gallente) of 3:1. When I found this out, I was like "wtf is up with this **?" and I went to investigate. I searched for hours to find out why, and was talking to Mr. Pearson, and found out why. Those things have insane abilities to fit stuff. remember how caldari HAV's couldn't really fit blasters? Now they can fit PROTO ones easily. Gallente HAV's can't even fit them without having a gimped fit. No wonder why I've been seeing Gunnlgi's with Ion Cannons (well, it's not like they're killing me or anything), yet the highest I've seen a Maddy go is a neutron Blaster. That needs fixing. Also, I found out that they can almost perma run their hardeners. Yes, I ** you not. At least with Gallente HAV's you can't perma run without having no local repps. with Caldari vehicles, you always have repps, and therefore you don't need to put one on. Those issues needs looking into. Peace, Godin Actually , my Sica has 2 Shield hardeners and armor plate and Armor hardener, Gives me a lot Of battle time before having to retreat. (i repair my tank with Rep tool LOL.) You never need to retreat with a Sica, not to mention you can turn on a dime and don't have to be moving forwards or backwards to turn the tank. Sica should be the clear choice as Armour tanks are now garbage. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 67	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:11:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You never need to retreat with a Sica, not to mention you can turn on a dime and don't have to be moving forwards or backwards to turn the tank. Sica should be the clear choice as Armour tanks are now garbage. Funny that this is fact, as Armor tanks are supposed to be "Stay and fight" vs Shield "Hit and Run". Definitely not the case CCP.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1060	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:15:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You never need to retreat with a Sica, not to mention you can turn on a dime and don't have to be moving forwards or backwards to turn the tank. Sica should be the clear choice as Armour tanks are now garbage. If a Sica has 2 Basic Hardeners and 0 SP into core skills, they'll have 48 seconds cycled hardened, 76 seconds cooldown after second Hardener is finished. If you only pop them when needed, you might only need to wait a minute. It depends how heavy AV is. What do you do? I know for a fact you're a better tanker than me and have been doing this a lot longer. My Gunny usually needs to retreat for about 20 seconds after both hardeners have been expended, with cooloff between the hardeners if I can get it, but I don't use Complex or have maxed cooldown/duration. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3280	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:34:00 - [15] - Quote I run caldari because shield boosters are great, and I'm not on the front lines enough for armor to be worth it. We used to have a time machine
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3217	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:37:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You never need to retreat with a Sica, not to mention you can turn on a dime and don't have to be moving forwards or backwards to turn the tank. Sica should be the clear choice as Armour tanks are now garbage. Not necesarily . My Soma has armor rep + hardener + Damage mod and Fuel injector. So i do have more damage output and speed if necesary. but just, the roles are inverted. My soma is Hit and run . My Sica is the Heavy resistance CQ battler. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 263	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:45:00 - [17] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Since 1.7 dropped, I have been making a list of how many Caldari vehicles and Gallente vehicles that I see on the field. Long story short, i've got a ratio (Caldari to Gallente) of 3:1. When I found this out, I was like "wtf is up with this **?" and I went to investigate. I searched for hours to find out why, and was talking to Mr. Pearson, and found out why. Those things have insane abilities to fit stuff. remember how caldari HAV's couldn't really fit blasters? Now they can fit PROTO ones easily. Gallente HAV's can't even fit them without having a gimped fit. No wonder why I've been seeing Gunnlgi's with Ion Cannons (well, it's not like they're killing me or anything), yet the highest I've seen a Maddy go is a neutron Blaster. That needs fixing. Also, I found out that they can almost perma run their hardeners. Yes, I ** you not. At least with Gallente HAV's you can't perma run without having no local repps. with Caldari vehicles, you always have repps, and therefore you don't need to put one on. Those issues needs looking into. Peace, Godin lol how can you make a thread like this when you've been defending tank spam.... even the tank enthusiast are seeing problems now. tank spam broke dust even more..... message from Godin: They're still killable, those things just.... bothers me. perma running hardeners shouldn't be a thing, as it breaks the concept of period of strength, period of weakness. Also, The blasters easily fitting on the opposing race's hull while the race who's using them's hull can't even fit it with a good tank makes no sense and needs fixing. The only other problems is that they need a speed nerf, say 5-10 m/s. OR a acceleration nerf of about 10-20%, and that rails are far superior to forges, and that needs looking at. Otherwise, they are absolutely perfect. Swarms, Forges, and AV nades do just the right amount of damage, the times (other than the Shield hardeners) for the periods are perfect, there's no insane repps, and hunting for HAV's is now viable over just sitting there and waiting for the HAV to pass by, then insta pop it.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 263	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:47:00 - [18] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: You never need to retreat with a Sica, not to mention you can turn on a dime and don't have to be moving forwards or backwards to turn the tank. Sica should be the clear choice as Armour tanks are now garbage. Not necesarily . My Soma has armor rep + hardener + Damage mod and Fuel injector. So i do have more damage output and speed if necesary. but just, the roles are inverted. My soma is Hit and run . My Sica is the Heavy resistance CQ battler. message from Godin: Yet only one Caldari HAV (pretty sure I remember it being a Gunnlogi) has been able to pop me, and only because it had help Still, these are problems that needs to be addressed.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4908	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:48:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: You never need to retreat with a Sica, not to mention you can turn on a dime and don't have to be moving forwards or backwards to turn the tank. Sica should be the clear choice as Armour tanks are now garbage. Not necesarily . My Soma has armor rep + hardener + Damage mod and Fuel injector. So i do have more damage output and speed if necesary. but just, the roles are inverted. My soma is Hit and run . My Sica is the Heavy resistance CQ battler. \How the hell'd you fit all of that? "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 263	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:49:00 - [20] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Gimped fit how? I run a Madrugar with Ion cannons and still have room for 2 reppers and 1 hardener. No room for small turrets or a scanner, but I can fit a basic nos on it just fine... That 2 reppers 1 hardener fit is only useful when fighting basic infantry infantry. Otherwise, it's useless. Come at me with it, and I'll make it look like **** EDIT: Also, what's the tier of the reppers and hardener?

Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 263	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:52:00 - [21] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: I haven't skilled in too far but have you factored in the hidden pg/cpu on the Maddy? message from Godin: What are you talking about? There's no hidden CPU/PG. Or have I missed something? I don't pay attention to bugs usually.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 84	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:52:00 - [22] - Quote i have no trouble with my madrugar. exept for having tofit a cpu upgrade. if i didnt want a cpu upgrade i would have to remove my blaster damage mod. other than that at max skills i ahve no trouble in fitting an ion cannon to my maddy. so i dont know how relible godins info is. but i ahve no trouble in killing gunnlogi's. my ion cannon maddy just beats them into submission. i also ahve another maddy fit with only 2 compex reppers/ basic repper and ion cannon. such insane rep i dont need to fill the high slots.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 263	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:54:00 - [23] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: message from Godin: Since 1.7 dropped, I have been making a list of how many Caldari vehicles and Gallente vehicles that I see on the field. Long story short, i've got a ratio (Caldari to Gallente) of 3:1. When I found this out, I was like "wtf is up with this **?" and I went to investigate. I searched for hours to find out why, and was talking to Mr. Pearson, and found out why. Those things have insane abilities to fit stuff. remember how caldari HAV's couldn't really fit blasters? Now they can fit PROTO ones easily. Gallente HAV's can't even fit them without having a gimped fit. No wonder why I've been seeing Gunnlgi's with Ion Cannons (well, it's not like they're killing me or anything), yet the highest I've seen a Maddy go is a neutron Blaster. That needs fixing. Also, I found out that they can almost perma run their hardeners. Yes, I ** you not. At least with Gallente HAV's you can't perma run without having no local repps. with Caldari vehicles, you always have repps, and therefore you don't need to put one on. Those issues needs looking into. Peace, Godin I could have went blasters if I wanted to I still could would not have to get that much sp to be able to fit it but I chose missiles because they are armor tank killers and I usually run with an armor tank in PC so I do the burst DPS against the shields and the blaster finishes him off before reloading. I do agree blasters should be a hard fit for Gunnlogi's and an easier fit for Madrugar's, I would gladly exchange the ability to fit damage mods without impeding my fit for blasters Doesn't the armor tanks hardeners cool down last only like 36 seconds or something while the active time is past that. message from Godin: Those are the complex ones. Try fitting them though
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 263	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:56:00 - [24] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i have no trouble with my madrugar. exept for having tofit a cpu upgrade. if i didnt want a cpu upgrade i would have to remove my blaster damage mod. other than that at max skills i ahve no trouble in fitting an ion cannon to my maddy. so i dont know how relible godins info is. but i ahve no trouble in killing gunnlogi's. my ion cannon maddy just beats them into submission. i also ahve another maddy fit with only 2 compex reppers/ basic repper and ion cannon. such insane rep i dont need to fill the high slots. message from Godin: Both of those fits are absolutely horrible, and is only useful against the random AV'er or regular infantry. I'd like to see a Gunnlogi alpha you to hell 'grabs popcorn, chocolate, and mug of tears' Start the show.


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