DUST Search - Tanking not fun anymore.( They're too simple)

DUST Fiend wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Assert Dominance wrote:

CCP's been trying their hardest to turn this game into an EZ mode arcade shooter. first TTK, now tanks.

TTK wasn't a design choice though. They fixed hit detection and didn't roll back all the fixes used to compensate for it.

Back on topic, are we playing the same game? Tanking is ******* amazing now. No more SP/fit > skill disparity like it's been, it's accessible to the general public instead of a select few that invest everything, those that do specialize can still be beaten, and aside from lack of racial symmetry and anti-shield AV for infantry, it's about as balanced as it's ever been. Once we get logi, assault, and scout vehicles back, I might get back into piloting/driving at some point. The only people I seem bothered by it are neckbeards that want to spreadsheet people to death.

What you see as a positive, I see as a negative. It shouldn't be tank stamps for everyone, if you want to be an effective tanker you should have to invest the time, SP, and ISK required to do so.

Now any idiot can hop in and dominate virtually free of charge, and it goes entirely against the whole idea of having better gear and a skill tree in the first place

I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

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negative49er The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 401	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:20:00 - [1] - Quote I already miss the old tank mechanic if felt more tactical where i can active my module when i need and rely on the ground troop to support me when my modules. Now it seems the everything is being done for us. CCP all you need to do was give us back our ADV and PRO tank. Tanks were underpower because we got STD tanks going against proto AV( of course it going to feel like it weak). But don't make it like it was in chromosome reduce the resistances on the black ops tanks and give them a slight disadvantage( don't ask cus i don't know). Here are my thought to who ever change the ADS i love the changes, but to who ever change the tanks I can say you just made my favorite alt my least favorite now( now i'm on my ADS alt now and that was my least) CCP you made Battlefield tanks( even their tanks aren't that fast) if i wanted that i would be playing battlefield right now. Who agree? Dedicated Shotgun Scout
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 527	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:23:00 - [2] - Quote negative49er wrote: I already miss the old tank mechanic if felt more tactical where i can active my module when i need and rely on the ground troop to support me when my modules. Now it seems the everything is being done for us. CCP all you need to do was give us back our ADV and PRO tank. Tanks were underpower because we got STD tanks going against proto AV( of course it going to feel like it weak). But don't make it like it was in chromosome reduce the resistances on the black ops tanks and give them a slight disadvantage( don't ask cus i don't know). Here are my thought to who ever change the ADS i love the changes, but to who ever change the tanks I can say you just made my favorite alt my least favorite now( now i'm on my ADS alt now and that was my least) CCP you made Battlefield tanks( even their tanks aren't that fast) if i wanted that i would be playing battlefield right now. Who agree? very true... *Sagaris lover!!!*
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 821	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:23:00 - [3] - Quote we'll be getting more mods soon. 1.7 was the bare bones update for their overhaul. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 617	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:32:00 - [4] - Quote CCP's been trying their hardest to turn this game into an EZ mode arcade shooter. first TTK, now tanks. LOGIC! NO! IT BURRRRNNNSSS!!!!!!
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3181	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:32:00 - [5] - Quote negative49er wrote: I already miss the old tank mechanic if felt more tactical where i can active my module when i need and rely on the ground troop to support me when my modules. Now it seems the everything is being done for us. CCP all you need to do was give us back our ADV and PRO tank. Tanks were underpower because we got STD tanks going against proto AV( of course it going to feel like it weak). But don't make it like it was in chromosome reduce the resistances on the black ops tanks and give them a slight disadvantage( don't ask cus i don't know). Here are my thought to who ever change the ADS i love the changes, but to who ever change the tanks I can say you just made my favorite alt my least favorite now( now i'm on my ADS alt now and that was my least) CCP you made Battlefield tanks( even their tanks aren't that fast) if i wanted that i would be playing battlefield right now. Who agree? You mr.tanker. Have my like +1 AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Jason Pearson 3398	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:34:00 - [6] - Quote Disagree, if we can slow us down, get rid of the two hardener ability and possibly add webs, we're gonna be in a very nice tactical position, from a gameplay perspective atleast, I love the idea of doing things in "waves of opportunity" it's just not fully fleshed out yet. But I definitely don't wish we ever go back to the old mechanics, it was a pile of ****. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Cosgar ParagonX 8712	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:38:00 - [7] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: CCP's been trying their hardest to turn this game into an EZ mode arcade shooter. first TTK, now tanks. TTK wasn't a design choice though. They fixed hit detection and didn't roll back all the fixes used to compensate for it. Back on topic, are we playing the same game? Tanking is ******* amazing now. No more SP/fit > skill disparity like it's been, it's accessible to the general public instead of a select few that invest everything, those that do specialize can still be beaten, and aside from lack of racial symmetry and anti-shield AV for infantry, it's about as balanced as it's ever been. Once we get logi, assault, and scout vehicles back, I might get back into piloting/driving at some point. The only people I seem bothered by it are neckbeards that want to spreadsheet people to death. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Guilbert 515 United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 21	Posted - 2013.12.15 05:00:00 - [8] - Quote Exactly. Good tank drivers used to be hard to find. Tankers that could dodge AV. Who gave credit to those who were able to catch them and credit to those that protected them. Tank drivers that managed to give a substantial advantage on the battle field with a high risk of losses. We used to credit any tank driver that had the guts to show up to PC battle and would even pay him his expenses on his losses. And laugh our ass off on wannabe tankers that showed up with their best gear in public just to be ripped apart because of lack of skill and brains to used a vehicle that costs a fortune. Now any brainless kid can drive a tank and does not need any squad to back him up, against AV or fear any loss of ISK. Thats why you get so much crap talking wannabe newly emerged tank "experts" who see any value in the changes made in vehicles and AV in 1.7. The development in that regard is tbh quiet disgusting. "No reason to buy any of the packs without receiving aurum and boosters alongside, especially since BPOs are taken away"
Zero Notion Wraith Company 451	Posted - 2013.12.15 05:02:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP's been trying their hardest to turn this game into an EZ mode arcade shooter. first TTK, now tanks. TTK wasn't a design choice though. They fixed hit detection and didn't roll back all the fixes used to compensate for it. Back on topic, are we playing the same game? Tanking is ******* amazing now. No more SP/fit > skill disparity like it's been, it's accessible to the general public instead of a select few that invest everything, those that do specialize can still be beaten, and aside from lack of racial symmetry and anti-shield AV for infantry, it's about as balanced as it's ever been. Once we get logi, assault, and scout vehicles back, I might get back into piloting/driving at some point. The only people I seem bothered by it are neckbeards that want to spreadsheet people to death. TTK is a design choice, actually. Check the Executive Designers interview.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8864	Posted - 2013.12.15 05:05:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP's been trying their hardest to turn this game into an EZ mode arcade shooter. first TTK, now tanks. TTK wasn't a design choice though. They fixed hit detection and didn't roll back all the fixes used to compensate for it. Back on topic, are we playing the same game? Tanking is ******* amazing now. No more SP/fit > skill disparity like it's been, it's accessible to the general public instead of a select few that invest everything, those that do specialize can still be beaten, and aside from lack of racial symmetry and anti-shield AV for infantry, it's about as balanced as it's ever been. Once we get logi, assault, and scout vehicles back, I might get back into piloting/driving at some point. The only people I seem bothered by it are neckbeards that want to spreadsheet people to death. What you see as a positive, I see as a negative. It shouldn't be tank stamps for everyone, if you want to be an effective tanker you should have to invest the time, SP, and ISK required to do so. Now any idiot can hop in and dominate virtually free of charge, and it goes entirely against the whole idea of having better gear and a skill tree in the first place Vids / O7

Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2015	Posted - 2013.12.15 05:08:00 - [11] - Quote negative49er wrote: CCP all you need to do was give us back our ADV and PRO tank. Tanks were underpower because we got STD tanks going against proto AV Please don't bring this up again your beating a dead horse Gÿ£GÿàGÿPWhen Using These Forums You Must Remember To explain Logical Thinking To These childrenGÿ£GÿàGÿP Former Tanker SCR, AK.0
Cardio Therapy DVC 514 2	Posted - 2013.12.15 05:17:00 - [12] - Quote It is great update!! Now HAVs are faster than the LAVs, Drop ships are almosy invincible. Cannot be locked with the current swarm range. Also they fly faster than the missiles??? We got the ultimate weapon - Combat rifle. one shot kill with extreme range. Looks everyone is changing to CR or RR. anyway I tried the combat without any points on it, the AUR variant and it was already killing machine. In an Ambush game yestarday there were more tanks than troopers. Is it normal ????. Everypne is running tank now and there is no tacktical part anymore. I was running tank yestarday as well. The militia one. it is a consumable now not a tank.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4177	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:04:00 - [13] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: TTK is a design choice, actually. Check the Executive Designers interview. You mean the one where they describe the TTK they want to aim for and it's definitely NOT the same as what we have now? That interview? Yeah, that doesn't prove that TTK is where it's meant to be. It proves the exact opposite.
Cosgar ParagonX 8715	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:18:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Cosgar wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP's been trying their hardest to turn this game into an EZ mode arcade shooter. first TTK, now tanks. TTK wasn't a design choice though. They fixed hit detection and didn't roll back all the fixes used to compensate for it. Back on topic, are we playing the same game? Tanking is ******* amazing now. No more SP/fit > skill disparity like it's been, it's accessible to the general public instead of a select few that invest everything, those that do specialize can still be beaten, and aside from lack of racial symmetry and anti-shield AV for infantry, it's about as balanced as it's ever been. Once we get logi, assault, and scout vehicles back, I might get back into piloting/driving at some point. The only people I seem bothered by it are neckbeards that want to spreadsheet people to death. What you see as a positive, I see as a negative. It shouldn't be tank stamps for everyone, if you want to be an effective tanker you should have to invest the time, SP, and ISK required to do so. Now any idiot can hop in and dominate virtually free of charge, and it goes entirely against the whole idea of having better gear and a skill tree in the first place You sound like you expect a MLT tank to self destruct at the sight of a gunlogi or maddy. Good infantry can put in work with starter fits, why can't good pilots do the same with MLT tanks? Also, we only have what? 5% of the new vehicle content. Once more modules and higher tier tanks come in, people with more SP will have a bit of a larger advantage. Just don't expect to take on 4 MLT tanks at once. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1502	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:23:00 - [15] - Quote negative49er wrote: I already miss the old tank mechanic if felt more tactical where i can active my module when i need and rely on the ground troop to support me when my modules. Now it seems the everything is being done for us. CCP all you need to do was give us back our ADV and PRO tank. Tanks were underpower because we got STD tanks going against proto AV( of course it going to feel like it weak). But don't make it like it was in chromosome reduce the resistances on the black ops tanks and give them a slight disadvantage( don't ask cus i don't know). Here are my thought to who ever change the ADS i love the changes, but to who ever change the tanks I can say you just made my favorite alt my least favorite now( now i'm on my ADS alt now and that was my least) CCP you made Battlefield tanks( even their tanks aren't that fast) if i wanted that i would be playing battlefield right now. Who agree? I agree... yanks are not fun to face or place anymore. tank spam sucks and easymode tanks suck CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Cosgar ParagonX 8715	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:24:00 - [16] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: Cosgar wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: CCP's been trying their hardest to turn this game into an EZ mode arcade shooter. first TTK, now tanks. TTK wasn't a design choice though. They fixed hit detection and didn't roll back all the fixes used to compensate for it. Back on topic, are we playing the same game? Tanking is ***** amazing now. No more SP/fit > skill disparity like it's been, it's accessible to the general public instead of a select few that invest everything, those that do specialize can still be beaten, and aside from lack of racial symmetry and anti-shield AV for infantry, it's about as balanced as it's ever been. Once we get logi, assault, and scout vehicles back, I might get back into piloting/driving at some point. The only people I seem bothered by it are neckbeards that want to spreadsheet people to death. TTK is a design choice, actually. Check the Executive Designers interview. Check the feedback/requests sticky, post #58. CCP Logibro wrote:** [FEEDBACK] Hit detection and TTK - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120782&find=unread Status: Game design would like to get to the bottom of this issue and see what exactly we can do to improve experience. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Jason Pearson 3400	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:25:00 - [17] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Just don't expect to take on 4 MLT tanks at once. I'm trying, did 3, pretty sure I can get to 4. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Cosgar ParagonX 8717	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:33:00 - [18] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Cosgar wrote: Just don't expect to take on 4 MLT tanks at once. I'm trying, did 3, pretty sure I can get to 4. I've seen you put in work, even in early Uprising. You're a good tanker. The ones who expect SP/fit > skill need to step their game up. But the beauty of it is you probably could get all 4, but if they get the jump on you, it can go the other way. It's no different from a gang of frigates ganking a battleship. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Jason Pearson 3402	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:35:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Cosgar wrote: Just don't expect to take on 4 MLT tanks at once. I'm trying, did 3, pretty sure I can get to 4. I've seen you put in work, even in early Uprising. You're a good tanker. The ones who expect SP/fit > skill need to step their game up. But the beauty of it is you probably could get all 4, but if they get the jump on you, it can go the other way. It's no different from a gang of frigates ganking a battleship. D'aww thanks :D I might be able to take them, and if I lost I'd feel no shame, militia or not. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 76	Posted - 2013.12.15 07:42:00 - [20] - Quote I carry flux. Good for embedded equipment, shield tankers and tanks shields. I don't expect flux to take out a tank, just to make it run away. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.

Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 2036	Posted - 2013.12.15 07:43:00 - [21] - Quote can a flux take out a maddy ujelly? EDIT: that should be my new sig Gÿ£GÿàGÿPBlack Ranger is best at ASSAULTINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP Gÿ£GÿàGÿPYellow Ranger is best at the bench REPAIRINGGÿ£GÿàGÿP *GO GO POWER RANGERS*
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 139	Posted - 2013.12.15 07:50:00 - [22] - Quote maybe they made it simple for more players to get into tanking, now they didnt make it more complicated the more skillpoints invested on tanks, not complicated, complex, and complex stuff gives you many options, so i understand, it fells kind of bland, BUT i saw a tank doing a sideways flip...was kinda cool Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur (Today is a good day for someone else to die).


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