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Aisha Ctarl Scions of Athra 2226	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:13:00 - [1] - Quote Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are of/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 342	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:15:00 - [2] - Quote Auto-Aim automatically gimps minmatar as a whole. Imagine if in Eve, whenever a battleship targets a minmatar, it gains 20% tracking speed as long as it's locked. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I haz knife. Me get steak?
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2089	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are of/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. This is all correct :/ They always get away with 1 armor when I'm shooting them with a Scrambler, and then come back strafing with full health. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2309	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:22:00 - [4] - Quote I think we're more annoying now that we have a proper racial rifle. I know i've been doing insanely better against gallente/amarr now that I have a gun that makes more sense with my suit. Or maybe I'm just making stuff up. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 138	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:23:00 - [5] - Quote Minmatar suits have less HP than everything else while they cost the same We have a speed bonus yes but despite being the faster race we get less stamina so we have less energy to use our speed boost the Amarr on the other hand have the best HP layout with the highest stamina also the best CPU/PG fitting and you are really going to complain about Minmatar ???? Amarr Assault, gets the best offensive bonus in the game when using laser weaponry Minmatar gets better use of a sidearm....... You are really hating on the wrong class as we can barley afford to layout our suits in any direction - we enhance speed , we die - we enhance HP , we still have less and we lose our speed, we die - we use DMG mods, despite the High DMG output, we are left with no hp, we die
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2089	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:23:00 - [6] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I think we're more annoying now that we have a proper racial rifle. I know i've been doing insanely better against both types of suits now that I have a gun that makes more sense with my suit. Or maybe I'm just making stuff up. Or both When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 134	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:24:00 - [7] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Auto-Aim automatically gimps minmatar as a whole. Imagine if in Eve, whenever a battleship targets a minmatar, it gains 20% tracking speed as long as it's locked. Works both ways. The minnie/CR combo would suck were it not for auto-aim.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2089	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:24:00 - [8] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Minmatar suits have less HP than everything else while they cost the same We have a speed bonus yes but despite being the faster race we get less stamina so we have less energy to use our speed boost the Amarr on the other hand have the best HP layout with the highest stamina also the best CPU/PG fitting and you are really going to complain about Minmatar ???? Amarr Assault, gets the best offensive bonus in the game when using laser weaponry Minmatar gets better use of a sidearm....... You are really hating on the wrong class as we can barley afford to layout our suits in any direction - we enhance speed , we die - we enhance HP , we still have less and we lose our speed, we die - we use DMG mods, despite the High DMG output, we are left with no hp, we die AHEM The Amarr Logi has the least PG out of all of them. Also the least mods slots and 3 equipment slots compared to the 4 that MINMATAR LOGI and Gallente Logi have. That's all, I really do think Minmatar suits are pretty gimped though :3 When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2309	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:24:00 - [9] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I think we're more annoying now that we have a proper racial rifle. I know i've been doing insanely better against both types of suits now that I have a gun that makes more sense with my suit. Or maybe I'm just making stuff up. Or both Dont mind me, just trying to run away. Don't worry, I'll be back. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Dengru Fatal Absolution 199	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:27:00 - [10] - Quote Its because when you compare the strafing and speed the suits had. They are also disadvantaged cause no matter what they'll always have less HP than another suit of the same class. the style of the play the minmatar suits rewarded has been flipped on its head in a game where the dominant fittings stack as much hp as they can along with dmg mods. You simply cannot consistently mitigate the damage output of all of these weapons all of the time with your speed or strafe. I really don't see how you have trouble kililng the most fragile suit in the game when you have all that hp and highly accurate weapon. (>^_^)><(^.^<)

Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 134	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:27:00 - [11] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Minmatar suits have less HP than everything else while they cost the same We have a speed bonus yes but despite being the faster race we get less stamina so we have less energy to use our speed boost the Amarr on the other hand have the best HP layout with the highest stamina also the best CPU/PG fitting and you are really going to complain about Minmatar ???? Amarr Assault, gets the best offensive bonus in the game when using laser weaponry Minmatar gets better use of a sidearm....... You are really hating on the wrong class as we can barley afford to layout our suits in any direction - we enhance speed , we die - we enhance HP , we still have less and we lose our speed, we die - we use DMG mods, despite the High DMG output, we are left with no hp, we die Last I checked, all of your suits have at least +1 fitting slot over our suits. Add 1 basic plate (which cost basically no fitting) and you are now faster and have more HP than amarrian suits, and the same number of free slots.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 138	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:28:00 - [12] - Quote Yes but u have less pg as u have less slots to fill and you have less slots as your HP / stamina are already buffed for you I was unsure of the PG difference with Amarr thanks 4 info
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1116	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:30:00 - [13] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. NOPE NOPE NOPE. Minmatar is just a step up above a scout, in my opinion. It's stupidly low CPU/PG gimps it more than it's HP reduction. My Advanced Minmatar assault has a little over 600 HP between shields and armor, that's only about 100 less than my prototype amarr assault. It's still a fun suit though, it's feels weird being able to walk and strafe above 7.0 m/s
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 139	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:30:00 - [14] - Quote explain how a Minmatar with a basic plate beats the Amarr ??? thats new to me ......... and it depends on which suit, the logi can tank a bit better but then leaves you lacking equipment as for the Assault that can't armour tank well at all
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4894	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:37:00 - [15] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. Neither can I. I made a fit to see the differenced in Amarr and Minmatar FW first hand..... Minmatar suits are vastly more effective in combat. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Dengru Fatal Absolution 201	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:37:00 - [16] - Quote and what do you mean min logis can hack things before you can kill them? I think the max they can hack something is 3 seconds... you cant kill something that has their back turned to you in three seconds with a imperial (or whatever)? (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3778	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:42:00 - [17] - Quote I think too many people fit them with Armour plates. Which is the wrong thing to do in my opinion, you're better off keeping their natural speed, and filling the low slots with a Complex Dampener, or Kin Cat, I always have one dedicated to a CPU Enhancer though. Can hardly fit any Shield Extenders without them. Buff Shotguns
Aisha Ctarl Scions of Athra 2228	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:46:00 - [18] - Quote Dengru wrote: and what do you mean min logis can hack things before you can kill them? I think the max they can hack something is 3 seconds... you cant kill something that has their back turned to you in three seconds with a imperial (or whatever)? Start shooting after they've begun hacking They get the hack off and scurry away Amarr suit standing there looking stupid because dude got away "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2092	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:48:00 - [19] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Dengru wrote: and what do you mean min logis can hack things before you can kill them? I think the max they can hack something is 3 seconds... you cant kill something that has their back turned to you in three seconds with a imperial (or whatever)? Start shooting after they've begun hacking They get the hack off and scurry away Amarr suit standing there looking stupid because dude got away The Empress will not be impressed.... When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 135	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:55:00 - [20] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. NOPE NOPE NOPE. Minmatar is just a step up above a scout, in my opinion. It's stupidly low CPU/PG gimps it more than it's HP reduction. My Advanced Minmatar assault has a little over 600 HP between shields and armor, that's only about 100 less than my prototype amarr assault. It's still a fun suit though, it's feels weird being able to walk and strafe above 7.0 m/s Stupidly low? Minnie assault has 320 CPU and 64 PG Amarr assault has 350 CPU and 70 PG amrr + 20 CPU and 6 PG prot amarr rifle takes 92 CPU and 20 PG prot minnie rifle takes 81 CPU and 8 PG Amarr +11 CPU and + 12 PG proto amarr pistol take 48 CPU and 8 PG proto minnie pistol 45 CPU and 2 PG amarr +3 CPU and +6 PG Looks like amarr is +4 CPU and - 12 PG from minnie suit when fitting racial weapons Over base: Amarr get +33% stamina +33% stamina recovery +10% HP -4% movement speed -4% sprint speed -1 slot Minmatar get +6% sprint speed +6% movement speed +18% stamina +1 passive armor repair - 13% HP - 10% Shield repair rate Yeah thats not balanced AT ALL. Amarr sacrifice a fitting slot for 30 HP, movement & sprint for stamina and stamina recovery Minmatar sacrifice shield repair rate for passive armor repair and 45 HP for a free basic kinkat and 18% more stamina

Dengru Fatal Absolution 202	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:58:00 - [21] - Quote you guys are ridiculous your suit makes an op weapon even more ridiculous, how is this even a discussion. If it was a better suit why have many of the notable min assaults migrated to other suits? (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3272	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:14:00 - [22] - Quote Amarr are slow because that's one of the signature things about amarr. Just like how minmatar are always supposed to be the fastest. We used to have a time machine
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 248	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:16:00 - [23] - Quote Its quite possible its due to the fact that armor is superior to shield now like it or not minmatar assualts are the most shiled tank relient suits in the game most of them cant armor due to lack of low slots and the fact that the lows end up being used for cpu upgrades to support the medium slots for tank and damage or just tank depending on how you set up while most suits now go for a armor buffer and damage mod load out as its the most effective way to go about it this is simply not going to happen with the minmatar assualt suit, combine all this with a useless bonus to sidearms the least they could have done was make it to all matari weapons. Min logi is a good suit ive started using that out of fustration with my assault and iam finding it handels better as a general combat suit due to being able to armor tank and use damage mods also 2 complex damage mod + combat rifle is very fun load out iam not certain how it holds up to other logi suits but it feels very powerful to me after being in the assualt for so long. The assualt definatly needs a buff in what manner is another question as its so relient on shield and is ment to favor hit and run perhaps it should get a buffed in shield recharge and delay while still being less buffer shiled than the caldari suit.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4896	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:16:00 - [24] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Amarr are slow because that's one of the signature things about amarr. Just like how minmatar are always supposed to be the fastest. Except we don't get to resistance Tank in Dust which is another amarr signature aspect. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
BL4CKST4R warravens League of Infamy 1362	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:18:00 - [25] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. Gallant is by far god mode, regardless of their status 1.7 ensured their demise.
Mad Mav DUST University Ivy League 273	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:19:00 - [26] - Quote It's all in the duct tape. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1213	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:20:00 - [27] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. NOPE NOPE NOPE. Minmatar is just a step up above a scout, in my opinion. It's stupidly low CPU/PG gimps it more than it's HP reduction. My Advanced Minmatar assault has a little over 600 HP between shields and armor, that's only about 100 less than my prototype amarr assault. It's still a fun suit though, it's feels weird being able to walk and strafe above 7.0 m/s Stupidly low? Minnie assault has 320 CPU and 64 PG Amarr assault has 350 CPU and 70 PG amrr + 20 CPU and 6 PG prot amarr rifle takes 92 CPU and 20 PG prot minnie rifle takes 81 CPU and 8 PG Amarr +11 CPU and + 12 PG proto amarr pistol take 48 CPU and 8 PG proto minnie pistol 45 CPU and 2 PG amarr +3 CPU and +6 PG Looks like amarr is +4 CPU and - 12 PG from minnie suit when fitting racial weapons Over base: Amarr get +33% stamina +33% stamina recovery +10% HP -4% movement speed -4% sprint speed -1 slot Minmatar get +6% sprint speed +6% movement speed +18% stamina +1 passive armor repair - 13% HP - 10% Shield repair rate Yeah thats not balanced AT ALL. Amarr sacrifice a fitting slot for 30 HP, movement & sprint for stamina and stamina recovery Minmatar sacrifice shield repair rate for passive armor repair and 45 HP for a free basic kinkat and 18% more stamina You are also the only suit to get a passive bonus, to your racial weapons!! Just Sayin! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 135	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:29:00 - [28] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. NOPE NOPE NOPE. Minmatar is just a step up above a scout, in my opinion. It's stupidly low CPU/PG gimps it more than it's HP reduction. My Advanced Minmatar assault has a little over 600 HP between shields and armor, that's only about 100 less than my prototype amarr assault. It's still a fun suit though, it's feels weird being able to walk and strafe above 7.0 m/s Stupidly low? Minnie assault has 320 CPU and 64 PG Amarr assault has 350 CPU and 70 PG amrr + 20 CPU and 6 PG prot amarr rifle takes 92 CPU and 20 PG prot minnie rifle takes 81 CPU and 8 PG Amarr +11 CPU and + 12 PG proto amarr pistol take 48 CPU and 8 PG proto minnie pistol 45 CPU and 2 PG amarr +3 CPU and +6 PG Looks like amarr is +4 CPU and - 12 PG from minnie suit when fitting racial weapons Over base: Amarr get +33% stamina +33% stamina recovery +10% HP -4% movement speed -4% sprint speed -1 slot Minmatar get +6% sprint speed +6% movement speed +18% stamina +1 passive armor repair - 13% HP - 10% Shield repair rate Yeah thats not balanced AT ALL. Amarr sacrifice a fitting slot for 30 HP, movement & sprint for stamina and stamina recovery Minmatar sacrifice shield repair rate for passive armor repair and 45 HP for a free basic kinkat and 18% more stamina You are also the only suit to get a passive bonus, to your racial weapons!! Just Sayin! and minnie suits are the only suit (barring the logi) to get free passive armor repair. This of course doesn't change the fact that amarr suits are as a whole gimped by loosing a slot.
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1116	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:39:00 - [29] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: and minnie suits are the only suit (barring the logi) to get free passive armor repair. This of course doesn't change the fact that amarr suits are as a whole gimped by loosing a slot. Minmatar Assault Dropsuit bonus +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level The passive armor repair is a general Logistics bonus
Tectonic Fusion 717	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:51:00 - [30] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: and minnie suits are the only suit (barring the logi) to get free passive armor repair. This of course doesn't change the fact that amarr suits are as a whole gimped by loosing a slot. Minmatar Assault Dropsuit bonus +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level The passive armor repair is a general Logistics bonus That's 20 more rounds on your SMG. It's reliable for using Combat Rifle + SMG. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Lorhak Gannarsein 697	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:58:00 - [31] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: and minnie suits are the only suit (barring the logi) to get free passive armor repair. This of course doesn't change the fact that amarr suits are as a whole gimped by loosing a slot. Minmatar Assault Dropsuit bonus +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level The passive armor repair is a general Logistics bonus All Min frames have a 1hp/s repair rate inherent to them, except the Logi, ironically. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2030	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:00:00 - [32] - Quote Bro. Do you even Assault or Logistics mk.0? DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2030	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:01:00 - [33] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: All Min frames have a 1hp/s repair rate inherent to them, except the Logi, ironically. Oh yes, because 1HP/s makes a difference when your shield tanking. And you can go ahead and armor tank a Minmatar suit, but then you lose your only advantage. Your Speed DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Cosgar ParagonX 8682	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:08:00 - [34] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Auto-Aim automatically gimps minmatar as a whole. Imagine if in Eve, whenever a battleship targets a minmatar, it gains 20% tracking speed as long as it's locked. I think it's more of a TTK issue that hurts Minmatar since we have the lowest base HP. The extender penalty stung like hell (since it came so late) and strafing is all but dead. Minmatar scout and assault are probably in the worse shape since the assault has only a handful of viable meta fits and you can kill the scout with a menacing glare. Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I think we're more annoying now that we have a proper racial rifle. I know i've been doing insanely better against gallente/amarr now that I have a gun that makes more sense with my suit. Or maybe I'm just making stuff up. I think you're onto something. That combat rifle is beastly, but being able to put out that much DPS in such a short amount of time makes a world of difference. I've actually started shield tanking my logi with stamina/kin cats in the lows. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1213	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:16:00 - [35] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: and minnie suits are the only suit (barring the logi) to get free passive armor repair. This of course doesn't change the fact that amarr suits are as a whole gimped by loosing a slot. Minmatar Assault Dropsuit bonus +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level The passive armor repair is a general Logistics bonus That's 20 more rounds on your SMG. It's reliable for using Combat Rifle + SMG. True, but that's assuming you run an SMG, that bonus nets me about three extra shots on my car9 Now I know what you're gonna say, and quite correctly, but with a bonus that good why would you run anything but amarian weaponry. Also amarian suits gain more passive HP than any other suit, +25% to shield and armour is more useful on a dualtanked amarr than any other suit! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 154	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:44:00 - [36] - Quote Minmatar have less stamina/stamina recovery, giving us less of a chance to use our speed buff and with 2 low slots the passive armour rep can't save you I do like how things work out in combat, but an entire race that can't perform 1v1 with its arch enemy on the battlefield , its not right yes we can 'sneak' not like we can afford lows for dampening so we having a glowing red you've been scanned as we sneak.. personally I'd be happy if we had a touch more stamina, but as it is I really don't see why a guy using Amarr is posting complaining about the Minmatar suits yes we have superiority 'if' we sneak up behind you but given scanners, aim-assist and most recently Tank514 that sneaking tends to be a lot tougher or it works due to the blind stupidity of red dots
Aisha Ctarl Scions of Athra 2234	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:47:00 - [37] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Minmatar have less stamina/stamina recovery, giving us less of a chance to use our speed buff and with 2 low slots the passive armour rep can't save you I do like how things work out in combat, but an entire race that can't perform 1v1 with its arch enemy on the battlefield , its not right yes we can 'sneak' not like we can afford lows for dampening so we having a glowing red you've been scanned as we sneak.. personally I'd be happy if we had a touch more stamina, but as it is I really don't see why a guy using Amarr is posting complaining about the Minmatar suits yes we have superiority 'if' we sneak up behind you but given scanners, aim-assist and most recently Tank514 that sneaking tends to be a lot tougher or it works due to the blind stupidity of red dots I'm not complaining, if anything, I'm lauding the suit on what I perceive as strengths. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 154	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:56:00 - [38] - Quote Which you are right, the speed does make up for what we lose... but then AA came in and made speed tanking useless with 2 lows we cannot Armour tank/Speed tank or use dampeners effectively because if we use one, we lack the rest Our suits our badass when you know how to use them It doesnt change the fact that we average at 500hp And with Aim-Assist it has been a few month long death streak with our crappy hp we are open to ohk scramblers 90% of the time
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3790	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:10:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: All Min frames have a 1hp/s repair rate inherent to them, except the Logi, ironically. Oh yes, because 1HP/s makes a difference when your shield tanking. And you can go ahead and armor tank a Minmatar suit, but then you lose your only advantage. Your Speed I find it helpful. Means I dont have to fit an Armour Rep if I want to keep that Armour buffer. Only thing I hate about the Min Med is it's **** Shield Regen Rate, base regen of Minmatar Assault is less than the Minmatar Logi's. International Hunt a Wolfman Day 16 / 18 / 20 of December
Ghost Kaisar Kinsho Swords Caldari State 1180	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:43:00 - [40] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: All Min frames have a 1hp/s repair rate inherent to them, except the Logi, ironically. Oh yes, because 1HP/s makes a difference when your shield tanking. And you can go ahead and armor tank a Minmatar suit, but then you lose your only advantage. Your Speed I like the extra 1hp/s. It means that if you are careful, you can get your armor back. A good shield tanker will rarely go into armor damage, but every time he does, he weakens his longevity. By including a passive armor rep, you increase your overall survivability over time. For example, my current fit has around 470 shields and 165 Armor. I also have a shield regen of around 38 and run a complex regulator in my low. This gives me excellent mobility and recovery for my suit. Let's say that my shields break and I'm left with 90 armor. I get to cover, and let my shields recharge. After about 20s (7 for shields to activate, and around 13 for full regen) I will have recovered my shields to full tank. Also, my armor will be back to around 110, just by waiting for my shields. After another minute, I will be back to full health, without having to rely on any equipment or logi's. Also, this suit runs a K-17/D (R) Nano, so If rapid armor regen is required, it can happen. I feel that this is the REAL callsign of the Minmatar, the ability to be fast and selfsufficient. Mobile, and versatile. They lose the ability to take large amounts of damage, but in the hands of a skilled player, they can be excellent suits on the battlefield. Also, that bonus to sidearms really helps the versatility. Run a breach SMG and enjoy the 90 round clip that you can hipfire indefinitely. Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized

IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness 71	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:44:00 - [41] - Quote Dengru wrote: and what do you mean min logis can hack things before you can kill them? I think the max they can hack something is 3 seconds... you cant kill something that has their back turned to you in three seconds with a imperial (or whatever)? The mistake I see everyone make when I'm hacking is to assume I can't hack faster than you can cook a grenade. Don't screw with the grenade just SHOOT ME.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 391	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:55:00 - [42] - Quote I've been getting halfway decent results out of my suit. I'm currently running mostly all ADV (no Proto). 1 Enhanced Shield Extender 2 Enhanced Damage Mods 2 Enhanced Armor Plates ADV GEK MIL SMG STD Locus nades ADV Needle I have Armor, Biotics, Core, and Shields all at 5, as well as Extenders and Plates at 5. It seems having biotics at 5 pretty much cancels out the movement penalty from the plates. 5 on my Armor and Shield stuff gives me the most HP possible out of a handful of HP mods. I like the needle since I rely on backup in heavy fire fights, and the needle lets me keep a push going (just wish the revive icon was a bit more noticeable, and it would be nice if it would tell you whether the needle recipient was a squad member). I've gone back and forth on whether to swap a damage mod for a shield extender, but since shields= saran wrap right now, I figure the damage mod is the way to go, even with the stacking penalty (which is a bit screwed up in my opinion). All in all, I have a middle of the road suit that excels at nothing. Not very fast, but not too slow, not a ton of HP, but not a Scout. I can do decent damage, but that is pretty easy for everyone to do, so it's not too much of an advantage. The extended sidearm clip is helpful for me since about 1 out of every 4 kills I switch to my sidearm to close the deal. When I start skilling my SMG it will definitely be an impactful bonus. I also have all my passive scanning skills up to 5. While not game changing, they definitely give me an edge when i'm out roaming by myself away from the main fighting. The best playstyle for me to use with this fit is hit and run skirmisher, and while that's exactly what the suit is suppose to be, it seems like a weird combination of skills and mods to achieve the hit and run result (if I had been planning on being hit and run from the very beginning, I would not have skilled the way I did). I can still get by in heavy fighting, but it usually results in KDRs like 15/10 and 19/16. I'm not complaining. The only other suits I've ever used have been the Dren BPO and the starter suits, so I have no clue what the other races are like. I do wish speed still had a real impact in gunfights like it used to. I've taken to using vehicles for scanning lately. They are cheap as hell and the militia stuff works good enough for scanning, and it really supplements my hit and run skirmish strategy. It also catches people off guard when they take down half of a dropships shields, and instead of the dropship running away a Min Assault pops out to clear an area while the dropship comes crashing to the ground. Every time I try to walk away, something makes me turn around and stay, and I can't tell you why Eagles Dust Tribute
Malice TheRipper PiZzA DuDeS 6	Posted - 2013.12.15 18:11:00 - [43] - Quote Hehehe...I equip mine with a reactive armor and as rep...im fast and hard to kill! over time of course <,<...it sorta makes me like a glass cannon wolverine...
OZAROW warravens League of Infamy 1097	Posted - 2013.12.16 10:50:00 - [44] - Quote I run proto min scout an have A racial logi at 3 so tonight after reading this I used my basic assault adv( which I have never actually used) Basic adv min 2x comp L damage Comp shield Basic plate Comp kin Compact hive Adv CRpro3 Toxin smg pro4 Flux/m1 Worked well, 16/4 first match, still gotta get used to the constant trigger finger since my scout is usually smg, nk, or sg. I like that rifle I do think two lows sucks for the assault an scout but I'm used to having a weaker suit an no extra damage so it's nice to drop heavies so fast. Personally you gotta find a suit that fits your style, if these suits are weak it's cuz you can't toe to toe like other suits, but it is a up set up for the scout an assault because it's a low slot game


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