DUST Search - I don't understand why people cry about Minmatar suits

Monkey MAC wrote:

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

Protocake JR wrote:

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game.

They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health.

The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them.

I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad.

NOPE NOPE NOPE.

Minmatar is just a step up above a scout, in my opinion.

It's stupidly low CPU/PG gimps it more than it's HP reduction. My Advanced Minmatar assault has a little over 600 HP between shields and armor, that's only about 100 less than my prototype amarr assault.

It's still a fun suit though, it's feels weird being able to walk and strafe above 7.0 m/s Smile

Stupidly low?
Minnie assault has 320 CPU and 64 PG
Amarr assault has 350 CPU and 70 PG
amrr + 20 CPU and 6 PG

prot amarr rifle takes 92 CPU and 20 PG
prot minnie rifle takes 81 CPU and 8 PG
Amarr +11 CPU and + 12 PG

proto amarr pistol take 48 CPU and 8 PG
proto minnie pistol 45 CPU and 2 PG
amarr +3 CPU and +6 PG

Looks like amarr is
+4 CPU and - 12 PG
from minnie suit when fitting racial weapons

Over base:
Amarr get
+33% stamina
+33% stamina recovery
+10% HP
-4% movement speed
-4% sprint speed
-1 slot

Minmatar get
+6% sprint speed
+6% movement speed
+18% stamina
+1 passive armor repair
- 13% HP
- 10% Shield repair rate

Yeah thats not balanced AT ALL.
Amarr sacrifice a fitting slot for 30 HP, movement & sprint for stamina and stamina recovery
Minmatar sacrifice shield repair rate for passive armor repair and 45 HP for a free basic kinkat and 18% more stamina

You are also the only suit to get a passive bonus, to your racial weapons!!
Just Sayin!

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Aisha Ctarl Scions of Athra 2226	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:13:00 - [1] - Quote Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are of/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 342	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:15:00 - [2] - Quote Auto-Aim automatically gimps minmatar as a whole. Imagine if in Eve, whenever a battleship targets a minmatar, it gains 20% tracking speed as long as it's locked. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I haz knife. Me get steak?
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2089	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are of/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. This is all correct :/ They always get away with 1 armor when I'm shooting them with a Scrambler, and then come back strafing with full health. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2309	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:22:00 - [4] - Quote I think we're more annoying now that we have a proper racial rifle. I know i've been doing insanely better against gallente/amarr now that I have a gun that makes more sense with my suit. Or maybe I'm just making stuff up. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 138	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:23:00 - [5] - Quote Minmatar suits have less HP than everything else while they cost the same We have a speed bonus yes but despite being the faster race we get less stamina so we have less energy to use our speed boost the Amarr on the other hand have the best HP layout with the highest stamina also the best CPU/PG fitting and you are really going to complain about Minmatar ???? Amarr Assault, gets the best offensive bonus in the game when using laser weaponry Minmatar gets better use of a sidearm....... You are really hating on the wrong class as we can barley afford to layout our suits in any direction - we enhance speed , we die - we enhance HP , we still have less and we lose our speed, we die - we use DMG mods, despite the High DMG output, we are left with no hp, we die
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2089	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:23:00 - [6] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I think we're more annoying now that we have a proper racial rifle. I know i've been doing insanely better against both types of suits now that I have a gun that makes more sense with my suit. Or maybe I'm just making stuff up. Or both When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 134	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:24:00 - [7] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Auto-Aim automatically gimps minmatar as a whole. Imagine if in Eve, whenever a battleship targets a minmatar, it gains 20% tracking speed as long as it's locked. Works both ways. The minnie/CR combo would suck were it not for auto-aim.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2089	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:24:00 - [8] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Minmatar suits have less HP than everything else while they cost the same We have a speed bonus yes but despite being the faster race we get less stamina so we have less energy to use our speed boost the Amarr on the other hand have the best HP layout with the highest stamina also the best CPU/PG fitting and you are really going to complain about Minmatar ???? Amarr Assault, gets the best offensive bonus in the game when using laser weaponry Minmatar gets better use of a sidearm....... You are really hating on the wrong class as we can barley afford to layout our suits in any direction - we enhance speed , we die - we enhance HP , we still have less and we lose our speed, we die - we use DMG mods, despite the High DMG output, we are left with no hp, we die AHEM The Amarr Logi has the least PG out of all of them. Also the least mods slots and 3 equipment slots compared to the 4 that MINMATAR LOGI and Gallente Logi have. That's all, I really do think Minmatar suits are pretty gimped though :3 When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2309	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:24:00 - [9] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I think we're more annoying now that we have a proper racial rifle. I know i've been doing insanely better against both types of suits now that I have a gun that makes more sense with my suit. Or maybe I'm just making stuff up. Or both Dont mind me, just trying to run away. Don't worry, I'll be back. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Dengru Fatal Absolution 199	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:27:00 - [10] - Quote Its because when you compare the strafing and speed the suits had. They are also disadvantaged cause no matter what they'll always have less HP than another suit of the same class. the style of the play the minmatar suits rewarded has been flipped on its head in a game where the dominant fittings stack as much hp as they can along with dmg mods. You simply cannot consistently mitigate the damage output of all of these weapons all of the time with your speed or strafe. I really don't see how you have trouble kililng the most fragile suit in the game when you have all that hp and highly accurate weapon. (>^_^)><(^.^<)

Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 134	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:27:00 - [11] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Minmatar suits have less HP than everything else while they cost the same We have a speed bonus yes but despite being the faster race we get less stamina so we have less energy to use our speed boost the Amarr on the other hand have the best HP layout with the highest stamina also the best CPU/PG fitting and you are really going to complain about Minmatar ???? Amarr Assault, gets the best offensive bonus in the game when using laser weaponry Minmatar gets better use of a sidearm....... You are really hating on the wrong class as we can barley afford to layout our suits in any direction - we enhance speed , we die - we enhance HP , we still have less and we lose our speed, we die - we use DMG mods, despite the High DMG output, we are left with no hp, we die Last I checked, all of your suits have at least +1 fitting slot over our suits. Add 1 basic plate (which cost basically no fitting) and you are now faster and have more HP than amarrian suits, and the same number of free slots.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 138	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:28:00 - [12] - Quote Yes but u have less pg as u have less slots to fill and you have less slots as your HP / stamina are already buffed for you I was unsure of the PG difference with Amarr thanks 4 info
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1116	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:30:00 - [13] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. NOPE NOPE NOPE. Minmatar is just a step up above a scout, in my opinion. It's stupidly low CPU/PG gimps it more than it's HP reduction. My Advanced Minmatar assault has a little over 600 HP between shields and armor, that's only about 100 less than my prototype amarr assault. It's still a fun suit though, it's feels weird being able to walk and strafe above 7.0 m/s
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 139	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:30:00 - [14] - Quote explain how a Minmatar with a basic plate beats the Amarr ??? thats new to me ......... and it depends on which suit, the logi can tank a bit better but then leaves you lacking equipment as for the Assault that can't armour tank well at all
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4894	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:37:00 - [15] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. Neither can I. I made a fit to see the differenced in Amarr and Minmatar FW first hand..... Minmatar suits are vastly more effective in combat. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Dengru Fatal Absolution 201	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:37:00 - [16] - Quote and what do you mean min logis can hack things before you can kill them? I think the max they can hack something is 3 seconds... you cant kill something that has their back turned to you in three seconds with a imperial (or whatever)? (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3778	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:42:00 - [17] - Quote I think too many people fit them with Armour plates. Which is the wrong thing to do in my opinion, you're better off keeping their natural speed, and filling the low slots with a Complex Dampener, or Kin Cat, I always have one dedicated to a CPU Enhancer though. Can hardly fit any Shield Extenders without them. Buff Shotguns
Aisha Ctarl Scions of Athra 2228	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:46:00 - [18] - Quote Dengru wrote: and what do you mean min logis can hack things before you can kill them? I think the max they can hack something is 3 seconds... you cant kill something that has their back turned to you in three seconds with a imperial (or whatever)? Start shooting after they've begun hacking They get the hack off and scurry away Amarr suit standing there looking stupid because dude got away "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2092	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:48:00 - [19] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Dengru wrote: and what do you mean min logis can hack things before you can kill them? I think the max they can hack something is 3 seconds... you cant kill something that has their back turned to you in three seconds with a imperial (or whatever)? Start shooting after they've begun hacking They get the hack off and scurry away Amarr suit standing there looking stupid because dude got away The Empress will not be impressed.... When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 135	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:55:00 - [20] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. NOPE NOPE NOPE. Minmatar is just a step up above a scout, in my opinion. It's stupidly low CPU/PG gimps it more than it's HP reduction. My Advanced Minmatar assault has a little over 600 HP between shields and armor, that's only about 100 less than my prototype amarr assault. It's still a fun suit though, it's feels weird being able to walk and strafe above 7.0 m/s Stupidly low? Minnie assault has 320 CPU and 64 PG Amarr assault has 350 CPU and 70 PG amrr + 20 CPU and 6 PG prot amarr rifle takes 92 CPU and 20 PG prot minnie rifle takes 81 CPU and 8 PG Amarr +11 CPU and + 12 PG proto amarr pistol take 48 CPU and 8 PG proto minnie pistol 45 CPU and 2 PG amarr +3 CPU and +6 PG Looks like amarr is +4 CPU and - 12 PG from minnie suit when fitting racial weapons Over base: Amarr get +33% stamina +33% stamina recovery +10% HP -4% movement speed -4% sprint speed -1 slot Minmatar get +6% sprint speed +6% movement speed +18% stamina +1 passive armor repair - 13% HP - 10% Shield repair rate Yeah thats not balanced AT ALL. Amarr sacrifice a fitting slot for 30 HP, movement & sprint for stamina and stamina recovery Minmatar sacrifice shield repair rate for passive armor repair and 45 HP for a free basic kinkat and 18% more stamina

Dengru Fatal Absolution 202	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:58:00 - [21] - Quote you guys are ridiculous your suit makes an op weapon even more ridiculous, how is this even a discussion. If it was a better suit why have many of the notable min assaults migrated to other suits? (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3272	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:14:00 - [22] - Quote Amarr are slow because that's one of the signature things about amarr. Just like how minmatar are always supposed to be the fastest. We used to have a time machine
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 248	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:16:00 - [23] - Quote Its quite possible its due to the fact that armor is superior to shield now like it or not minmatar assualts are the most shiled tank relient suits in the game most of them cant armor due to lack of low slots and the fact that the lows end up being used for cpu upgrades to support the medium slots for tank and damage or just tank depending on how you set up while most suits now go for a armor buffer and damage mod load out as its the most effective way to go about it this is simply not going to happen with the minmatar assualt suit, combine all this with a useless bonus to sidearms the least they could have done was make it to all matari weapons. Min logi is a good suit ive started using that out of fustration with my assault and iam finding it handels better as a general combat suit due to being able to armor tank and use damage mods also 2 complex damage mod + combat rifle is very fun load out iam not certain how it holds up to other logi suits but it feels very powerful to me after being in the assualt for so long. The assualt definatly needs a buff in what manner is another question as its so relient on shield and is ment to favor hit and run perhaps it should get a buffed in shield recharge and delay while still being less buffer shiled than the caldari suit.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4896	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:16:00 - [24] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Amarr are slow because that's one of the signature things about amarr. Just like how minmatar are always supposed to be the fastest. Except we don't get to resistance Tank in Dust which is another amarr signature aspect. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
BL4CKST4R warravens League of Infamy 1362	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:18:00 - [25] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. Gallant is by far god mode, regardless of their status 1.7 ensured their demise.
Mad Mav DUST University Ivy League 273	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:19:00 - [26] - Quote It's all in the duct tape. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1213	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:20:00 - [27] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. NOPE NOPE NOPE. Minmatar is just a step up above a scout, in my opinion. It's stupidly low CPU/PG gimps it more than it's HP reduction. My Advanced Minmatar assault has a little over 600 HP between shields and armor, that's only about 100 less than my prototype amarr assault. It's still a fun suit though, it's feels weird being able to walk and strafe above 7.0 m/s Stupidly low? Minnie assault has 320 CPU and 64 PG Amarr assault has 350 CPU and 70 PG amrr + 20 CPU and 6 PG prot amarr rifle takes 92 CPU and 20 PG prot minnie rifle takes 81 CPU and 8 PG Amarr +11 CPU and + 12 PG proto amarr pistol take 48 CPU and 8 PG proto minnie pistol 45 CPU and 2 PG amarr +3 CPU and +6 PG Looks like amarr is +4 CPU and - 12 PG from minnie suit when fitting racial weapons Over base: Amarr get +33% stamina +33% stamina recovery +10% HP -4% movement speed -4% sprint speed -1 slot Minmatar get +6% sprint speed +6% movement speed +18% stamina +1 passive armor repair - 13% HP - 10% Shield repair rate Yeah thats not balanced AT ALL. Amarr sacrifice a fitting slot for 30 HP, movement & sprint for stamina and stamina recovery Minmatar sacrifice shield repair rate for passive armor repair and 45 HP for a free basic kinkat and 18% more stamina You are also the only suit to get a passive bonus, to your racial weapons!! Just Sayin! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 135	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:29:00 - [28] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Personally I find them to be the most annoying suits to go against in the game. They out strafe me and run circles around me, or simply scurry off when I get them down to a sliver of health. The Minmatar logi is also a pain with their hacking and counter hacking speed. They can easily hack objectives before you can kill them. I really don't understand your complaints. We Amarr are slow for reasons CCP still won't explain, Caldari got their shields nerfed and are pg/cpu gimped, and Gallente are god mode activated. Minmatar at least imo don't seem that bad. NOPE NOPE NOPE. Minmatar is just a step up above a scout, in my opinion. It's stupidly low CPU/PG gimps it more than it's HP reduction. My Advanced Minmatar assault has a little over 600 HP between shields and armor, that's only about 100 less than my prototype amarr assault. It's still a fun suit though, it's feels weird being able to walk and strafe above 7.0 m/s Stupidly low? Minnie assault has 320 CPU and 64 PG Amarr assault has 350 CPU and 70 PG amrr + 20 CPU and 6 PG prot amarr rifle takes 92 CPU and 20 PG prot minnie rifle takes 81 CPU and 8 PG Amarr +11 CPU and + 12 PG proto amarr pistol take 48 CPU and 8 PG proto minnie pistol 45 CPU and 2 PG amarr +3 CPU and +6 PG Looks like amarr is +4 CPU and - 12 PG from minnie suit when fitting racial weapons Over base: Amarr get +33% stamina +33% stamina recovery +10% HP -4% movement speed -4% sprint speed -1 slot Minmatar get +6% sprint speed +6% movement speed +18% stamina +1 passive armor repair - 13% HP - 10% Shield repair rate Yeah thats not balanced AT ALL. Amarr sacrifice a fitting slot for 30 HP, movement & sprint for stamina and stamina recovery Minmatar sacrifice shield repair rate for passive armor repair and 45 HP for a free basic kinkat and 18% more stamina You are also the only suit to get a passive bonus, to your racial weapons!! Just Sayin! and minnie suits are the only suit (barring the logi) to get free passive armor repair. This of course doesn't change the fact that amarr suits are as a whole gimped by loosing a slot.
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1116	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:39:00 - [29] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: and minnie suits are the only suit (barring the logi) to get free passive armor repair. This of course doesn't change the fact that amarr suits are as a whole gimped by loosing a slot. Minmatar Assault Dropsuit bonus +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level The passive armor repair is a general Logistics bonus
Tectonic Fusion 717	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:51:00 - [30] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: and minnie suits are the only suit (barring the logi) to get free passive armor repair. This of course doesn't change the fact that amarr suits are as a whole gimped by loosing a slot. Minmatar Assault Dropsuit bonus +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level The passive armor repair is a general Logistics bonus That's 20 more rounds on your SMG. It's reliable for using Combat Rifle + SMG. Solo Player Squad status: Locked



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