Much respect, Dust Fiend. I always pay attention to what you say. And i agree that playing PC doesn't automatically make peeps relevant.

But i do believe that balancing gets pushed hardest in PC matches, and that anything exploitable will prolly be discovered in PC before the other games modes stumble across it. And also that techniques learned in PC will filter down to Pub matches in short order.

So because of these thing my default assumption is that balancing always has to occur in the context of PC and also has to exclude any arguments about ISK lost or skillpoints invested.

(This is why i would luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv to see CCP run the game(or maybe create a testing mode) for a month where any losses were reimbursed at down time - to me, that is how we best test real game mechanics and balance. There could be some juicy special reward paid for participating, and some much juicier reward paid for winning. Edit: just realized i would also make it so deaths don't go on your permanent record, at least it seems like a good idea now.)

And lastly, i'm coming to realize(slowly 'cause i'm slow that way) that the framerate problems in PC are really costing us all whether we participate in PC or not, because a lot of valuable balancing data that would otherwise come out of PC isn't.

What CCP did is actually lay off a bunch of employee's right before xmas.
A/S=Anti Sniper

If you post video, they will come.
Equip a maxed SP logi with 5 damage mods 10% and see what happens to the tank..........Nothing! By the time you reload, he is fully recharged. Four ways swarms where nerfed:
1. Reload/lock on time
2. Clip size/max amount carried
3. Range
4. Damage
Overkill.

I am a full time A/V, A/S. After I make my deliveries of course. Until my swarm is returned to it's former glory, I will proto stomp until the cows come home.<-----Actually making good profits 600-900k a match. I use to farm wp killing all the installations/vehicles. Now I just farm murdering reds. A savage bloody rampage. Piles of bodies screaming for someone to save them. "I've fallen and cant get up"
If they had just left swarms alone, everything would have balance. I liked the super fast vehicles. I DONT drive tanks.
What CCP did is actually lay off a bunch of employee's right before xmas.
A/S=Anti Sniper

cant be bothered to scroll down to see if anyone else has mentione dbut thought it would be worth mentioning
that those employees were laid off from CCP Atlanta who were working on World of Darkness, not DUST.

Swarms are balanced for a weapon that doesn't require you to aim.

All you need to do with them is position yourself in a suitable area, and attack at the right time. Thats it, thats all you have to do.

But of course, some idiots cant wrap their heads around this, they still think wasting ammo into a HAV will destroy it.

Who are you?

Then we have achieved balance.

It now requires teamwork to take down a TANK.

Congratz CCP.

Swarms are balanced for a weapon that doesn't require you to aim.

All you need to do with them is position yourself in a suitable area, and attack at the right time. Thats it, thats all you have to do.

But of course, some idiots cant wrap their heads around this, they still think wasting ammo into a HAV will destroy it.

Swarms are a joke now, and only the worst of the worst tankers are going to let you hit them when their resists are down.

Anyone who thinks swarms are balanced right now and not total garbage should probably just go ahead and uninstall the game

Nevermind that it generally costs far more ISK in a single AV fit than it does half the tanks rolling around, and they have to play perfect where the tank driver can generally just be a noob.