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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.14 16:10:00 -
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Swarms are a joke now, and only the worst of the worst tankers are going to let you hit them when their resists are down.
Anyone who thinks swarms are balanced right now and not total garbage should probably just go ahead and uninstall the game
Nevermind that it generally costs far more ISK in a single AV fit than it does half the tanks rolling around, and they have to play perfect where the tank driver can generally just be a noob.
Vids / O7
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.14 16:14:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Tanks are fast.
Swarms are slow, maps are small, and red lines exist.
I actually don't know how well fit tanks die to anything other than mass coordination or Jihad LAVs
Vids / O7
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2013.12.14 16:45:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Swarms are a joke now, and only the worst of the worst tankers are going to let you hit them when their resists are down.
Anyone who thinks swarms are balanced right now and not total garbage should probably just go ahead and uninstall the game
Nevermind that it generally costs far more ISK in a single AV fit than it does half the tanks rolling around, and they have to play perfect where the tank driver can generally just be a noob. Swarms are balanced for a weapon that doesn't require you to aim. All you need to do with them is position yourself in a suitable area, and attack at the right time. Thats it, thats all you have to do. But of course, some idiots cant wrap their heads around this, they still think wasting ammo into a HAV will destroy it. 
I don't use swarm launchers, don't have a single SP in them. This is just coming from a not entirely ******** observation of just watching proto swarms fight against militia vehicles, or that I can eat 6-7 proto swarms in my Incubus without turning on my hardeners.
As I said, only the worst of the worst feel that swarm launchers are balanced right now.
Vids / O7
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.14 16:56:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Who are you? Have you ever tried tanking in a competitive enviroment, or do you just go around spitting out bullshit with little to none experience as a tanker in PC? Anything works in Pubs, ****, I've gotten +20 Scores with a PLC + Scout fit in Pubs. If I tried to take that to PC, I'd be stomped.
PC is entirely irrelevant when the vast majority of players never touch it, either because they don't want to, or because they like games that play at more than 3 frames per second. You can't just say that because a full squad of officer AV can take out standard tanks, that standard tanks are balanced as is.
Playing PC doesn't magically make people relevant
Vids / O7
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:12:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Who are you? Have you ever tried tanking in a competitive enviroment, or do you just go around spitting out bullshit with little to none experience as a tanker in PC? Anything works in Pubs, ****, I've gotten +20 Scores with a PLC + Scout fit in Pubs. If I tried to take that to PC, I'd be stomped. PC is entirely irrelevant when the vast majority of players never touch it, either because they don't want to, or because they like games that play at more than 3 frames per second. You can't just say that because a full squad of officer AV can take out standard tanks, that standard tanks are balanced as is. Playing PC doesn't magically make people relevant People who play PC are more relevant than some idiot who plays lolSpambush all day, that cant even wrap his head around the fact that tower camping isn't a viable AV tactic anymore.
No, now the only viable tactic is skilling to proto and running with 3-5 other proto AV and either camping one spot all game or rolling around in Jihad LAVs just trying to position long enough to get a lock and take a shot.
The only scrubs in 1.7 are vehicle drivers, and that goes for dropship pilots like myself as well. There is very little skill involved in piloting vehicles now, at least in relation to effectiveness vs AV.
Vids / O7
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8778
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:15:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
No, now the only viable tactic is skilling to proto and running with 3-5 other proto AV
Then we have achieved balance. It now requires teamwork to take down a TANK.Congratz CCP.
So where's the tanks teamwork?
Or are you admitting that you want something in the game that caters to low skilled solo players?
I can't even believe you just said that. Thank you for proving that PC experience proves nothing in terms of overall intelligence when it comes to matters of game balance.
Vids / O7
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:12:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Who are you? Have you ever tried tanking in a competitive enviroment, or do you just go around spitting out bullshit with little to none experience as a tanker in PC? Anything works in Pubs, ****, I've gotten +20 Scores with a PLC + Scout fit in Pubs. If I tried to take that to PC, I'd be stomped. PC is entirely irrelevant when the vast majority of players never touch it, either because they don't want to, or because they like games that play at more than 3 frames per second. You can't just say that because a full squad of officer AV can take out standard tanks, that standard tanks are balanced as is. Playing PC doesn't magically make people relevant Much respect, Dust Fiend. I always pay attention to what you say. And i agree that playing PC doesn't automatically make peeps relevant. But i do believe that balancing gets pushed hardest in PC matches, and that anything exploitable will prolly be discovered in PC before the other games modes stumble across it. And also that techniques learned in PC will filter down to Pub matches in short order. So because of these thing my default assumption is that balancing always has to occur in the context of PC and also has to exclude any arguments about ISK lost or skillpoints invested. ( This is why i would luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv to see CCP run the game(or maybe create a testing mode) for a month where any losses were reimbursed at down time - to me, that is how we best test real game mechanics and balance. There could be some juicy special reward paid for participating, and some much juicier reward paid for winning. Edit: just realized i would also make it so deaths don't go on your permanent record, at least it seems like a good idea now.) And lastly, i'm coming to realize(slowly 'cause i'm slow that way) that the framerate problems in PC are really costing us all whether we participate in PC or not, because a lot of valuable balancing data that would otherwise come out of PC isn't.
To be clear, I do think that balance has to start at the top, in any game. It's always important to see how the best of the best play when using the best things available to them. That said, there are many different levels to the game, and just because someone isn't the best of the best doesn't mean they don't deserve to play in a balanced environment as well.
I agree with what you say, I'm just wafting on rage fumes right now so I'll leave it be at that for now.
Vids / O7
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