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Acturus Galaxy wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

mollerz wrote:

Acturus Galaxy wrote:

calisk galern wrote:

i'll probably level 10 it while the good players are avoiding it, just in case.

Haha, so will I, but it will be in my 2k isk dragonfly/exile bpo suit. I can go 100000 matches before running out of isk. I should be able to get 200 Victories before running out of isk and doing FW matches only Big smile

Just pop into pub matches once in a hoot and that ISK payout will be worth a **** ton more in the LP market. Like earning pounds and going to mexico to shop.

But you still have to earn the LP buy from the LP market. And in the time it takes you to get some LP, you could of gotten a whole lot more value in ISK from pubs.

That is true, but I hope that eventually there will be rare faction equipment and higher LP payouts. If it continues as it is today, it will not be worth it, hence the cheap suits as I am in no hurry to get the 200 Victories. I just prefer the FW matches, less core locus grenades and vehicles are not a problem.

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Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4021	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:39:00 - [1] - Quote New loyalty point payouts https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1605619#post1605619 After you win 200 matches for your faction and get level 10 standing, you only get paid 659 LP. This could buy you 4 prototype suit (just the suits) for a win. I'll be nice and round up to 5. Prototype suits cost around 58k ISK on the normal market. So 290k ISK per win, and only if you win. It's not uncommon to make over 300k for a win in pub matches. And if you lose, you only get enough for one suit which is only 58k payout? And then you have to subtract the ISK value you still have to pay on the loyalty store. You do realize this is for level 10 standing, where you have to earn it through 200 wins? How could you think it was a good idea to go so low? Can't have enough of these threads, this is a serious problem. I can't imagine why anyone would waste their time with FW with such horribly low payouts. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3533	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:42:00 - [2] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: How could you think it was a good idea to go so low? CCP Troll wrote: To be honest I was supposed to crunch hard on the numbers to find a nice amount of LP per level but then I found out that a new season of Futurama is on Netflix so I waited until the last minute and just threw some numbers in there, sorry guise.
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4021	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:45:00 - [3] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: How could you think it was a good idea to go so low? CCP Troll wrote: To be honest I was supposed to crunch hard on the numbers to find a nice amount of LP per level but then I found out that a new season of Futurama is on Netflix so I waited until the last minute and just threw some numbers in there, sorry guise. Sounds about right. FYI CCP, if you have to earn 200 wins to achieve this standing, then it has to be considerably higher than pub match payouts where you have to earn nothing. And that WILL NOT make pubs useless, as you will still need them to earn your ISK to buy items from the loyalty store as well as any items your loyalty store does not offer. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
lcarus X Eternal Beings 19	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:07:00 - [4] - Quote Think about this: you get early access to suits, modules, equipment, and weapons with out the 500k sp + you would need otherwise. The alternative is aurum, bought with real money or your hard earned sp.
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4022	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:08:00 - [5] - Quote lcarus X wrote: Think about this: you get early access to suits, modules, equipment, and weapons with out the 500k sp + you would need otherwise. The alternative is aurum, bought with real money or your hard earned sp. What about the large population of Dust 514 who already spent the skill points the unlock things the normal way, huh? And even then, it's still not worth it. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2257	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:08:00 - [6] - Quote lcarus X wrote: Think about this: you get early access to suits, modules, equipment, and weapons with out the 500k sp + you would need otherwise. The alternative is aurum, bought with real money or your hard earned sp. Yeaaaah unless you're specced into everything and have no use for aurum gear. Then you go "okay yeah alright. why am i playing this?" Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Jakar Umbra Altyr Initiative 442	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:09:00 - [7] - Quote All this while EVE Pilots get 3000 LP for dropping bombs from orbit. Anybody feel like getting me a subscription? Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/25/2013.
lcarus X Eternal Beings 19	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:11:00 - [8] - Quote It's just an alternative dudes. If you have all the skills, you probably have the isk and if you have the isk why are you playing FW for anything other than the fun of it or doing something that sets your handprint in the eve universe? Edit: I just bought 10 proto suits and advanced equipment I wouldn't have otherwise and it was ******* awesome! Proto rail rifle anybody? (That is half the CPU and pg of an isk proto alternative)
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1507	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:12:00 - [9] - Quote i'll probably level 10 it while the good players are avoiding it, just in case.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1305	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:14:00 - [10] - Quote From a post I tossed up the other day... Patrick57 wrote: Yes. You can get 40k LP for a win at a high level, and that's without the booster. Source Dude musta been trippin on too much red jar. #shittycoding

Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 608	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:14:00 - [11] - Quote level 5 kin cats day before 1.7, ohhh LP store, complex kin cats at lvl 3 LOGIC! NO! IT BURRRRNNNSSS!!!!!!
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4024	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:16:00 - [12] - Quote lcarus X wrote: It's just an alternative dudes. If you have all the skills, you probably have the isk and if you have the isk why are you playing FW for anything other than the fun of it or doing something that sets your handprint in the eve universe? Edit: I just bought 10 proto suits and advanced equipment I wouldn't have otherwise and it was ******* awesome! Proto rail rifle anybody? (That is half the CPU and pg of an isk proto alternative) It's not an alternative if it's not viable. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
lcarus X Eternal Beings 19	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:18:00 - [13] - Quote If it's not viable CCP will switch the numbers 3-6 months from now so hold your horses ^^
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2263	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:19:00 - [14] - Quote lcarus X wrote: It's just an alternative dudes. If you have all the skills, you probably have the isk and if you have the isk why are you playing FW for anything other than the fun of it or doing something that sets your handprint in the eve universe? Edit: I just bought 10 proto suits and advanced equipment I wouldn't have otherwise and it was ******* awesome! Proto rail rifle anybody? (That is half the CPU and pg of an isk proto alternative) Because some of us are dedicated FW players. I am the director of a minmatar FW corp in a minmatar fw alliance and with these number my corp cannot continue to be a FW corp without hemorrhaging funds and inevitably going bankrupt to help support our 70+ members because our job is to keep bonuses up for EVE side. This mechanic forces us to become pub farmers and occasional FW players. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4024	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:20:00 - [15] - Quote lcarus X wrote: If it's not viable CCP will switch the numbers 3-6 months from now so hold your horses ^^ Why should it take 3-6 months for them to fix something which we can all agree is obviously not viable? And it's not anything hard to fix like core gameplay or anything. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
mollerz Minja Scouts 1307	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:21:00 - [16] - Quote lcarus X wrote: If it's not viable CCP will switch the numbers 3-6 months from now so hold your horses ^^ agreed. I am speculating that federation tanks will be worth more LP/iskin the near future. Safe bet to amass as much as possible at these bargain prices to sell later. #shittycoding
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 293	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:21:00 - [17] - Quote calisk galern wrote: i'll probably level 10 it while the good players are avoiding it, just in case. Haha, so will I, but it will be in my 2k isk dragonfly/exile bpo suit. I can go 100000 matches before running out of isk. I should be able to get 200 Victories before running out of isk and doing FW matches only
mollerz Minja Scouts 1307	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:22:00 - [18] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: lcarus X wrote: If it's not viable CCP will switch the numbers 3-6 months from now so hold your horses ^^ Why should it take 3-6 months for them to fix something which we can all agree is obviously not viable? And it's not anything hard to fix like core gameplay or anything. Where have you been? Everything takes 6 months minimum to fix around this hell hole. #shittycoding
mollerz Minja Scouts 1307	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:23:00 - [19] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: calisk galern wrote: i'll probably level 10 it while the good players are avoiding it, just in case. Haha, so will I, but it will be in my 2k isk dragonfly/exile bpo suit. I can go 100000 matches before running out of isk. I should be able to get 200 Victories before running out of isk and doing FW matches only Just pop into pub matches once in a hoot and that ISK payout will be worth a **** ton more in the LP market. Like earning pounds and going to mexico to shop. #shittycoding
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4024	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:25:00 - [20] - Quote mollerz wrote: Acturus Galaxy wrote: calisk galern wrote: i'll probably level 10 it while the good players are avoiding it, just in case. Haha, so will I, but it will be in my 2k isk dragonfly/exile bpo suit. I can go 100000 matches before running out of isk. I should be able to get 200 Victories before running out of isk and doing FW matches only Just pop into pub matches once in a hoot and that ISK payout will be worth a **** ton more in the LP market. Like earning pounds and going to mexico to shop. But you still have to earn the LP buy from the LP market. And in the time it takes you to get some LP, you could of gotten a whole lot more value in ISK from pubs. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor

lcarus X Eternal Beings 21	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:26:00 - [21] - Quote Dudes, if you're mad at FW and you bought a ps3 just to play dust then shall I point you into the direction of the PSN store where you can find old gems for $5.99 (was the last few merc packs priced at $20.00 - $100.00?) I recently got vagrant story and whenever I'm pissed at dust I'll just head over there.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 185	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:29:00 - [22] - Quote lcarus X wrote: It's just an alternative dudes. If you have all the skills, you probably have the isk and if you have the isk why are you playing FW for anything other than the fun of it or doing something that sets your handprint in the eve universe? Edit: I just bought 10 proto suits and advanced equipment I wouldn't have otherwise and it was ******* awesome! Proto rail rifle anybody? (That is half the CPU and pg of an isk proto alternative) The question now is, what's more 'fun' about FW when compared to pubs? Before this clarification, FW created a win at any cost mentality. Now, it will be win at no cost, or why am I even bothering? I can profit win or lose in pubs. Since I've skilled into all the current gear that interests me, I was only playing the new FW to lower the cost of my most expensive fits. Now they actually would cost more, since you have to win. Running BPO's in pubs would still be more efficient, even if you lost every single match.
lcarus X Eternal Beings 21	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:35:00 - [23] - Quote I guess your next step would be PC if you're not doing that already (I heard it's horribly buggy though). CCP hasn't been giving much room for vets to you know, have fun. But it will get there. At a turtles pace maybe but soontm
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 293	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:37:00 - [24] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: mollerz wrote: Acturus Galaxy wrote: calisk galern wrote: i'll probably level 10 it while the good players are avoiding it, just in case. Haha, so will I, but it will be in my 2k isk dragonfly/exile bpo suit. I can go 100000 matches before running out of isk. I should be able to get 200 Victories before running out of isk and doing FW matches only Just pop into pub matches once in a hoot and that ISK payout will be worth a **** ton more in the LP market. Like earning pounds and going to mexico to shop. But you still have to earn the LP buy from the LP market. And in the time it takes you to get some LP, you could of gotten a whole lot more value in ISK from pubs. That is true, but I hope that eventually there will be rare faction equipment and higher LP payouts. If it continues as it is today, it will not be worth it, hence the cheap suits as I am in no hurry to get the 200 Victories. I just prefer the FW matches, less core locus grenades and vehicles are not a problem.
lcarus X Eternal Beings 21	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:40:00 - [25] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: mollerz wrote: Acturus Galaxy wrote: calisk galern wrote: i'll probably level 10 it while the good players are avoiding it, just in case. Haha, so will I, but it will be in my 2k isk dragonfly/exile bpo suit. I can go 100000 matches before running out of isk. I should be able to get 200 Victories before running out of isk and doing FW matches only Just pop into pub matches once in a hoot and that ISK payout will be worth a **** ton more in the LP market. Like earning pounds and going to mexico to shop. But you still have to earn the LP buy from the LP market. And in the time it takes you to get some LP, you could of gotten a whole lot more value in ISK from pubs. That is true, but I hope that eventually there will be rare faction equipment and higher LP payouts. If it continues as it is today, it will not be worth it, hence the cheap suits as I am in no hurry to get the 200 Victories. I just prefer the FW matches, less core locus grenades and vehicles are not a problem. Don't forget super rare orbitals you barely have to worry about. Sometimes playing FW I forget those exist
Agent Monroe Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:51:00 - [26] - Quote I wish Faction Items were as good as they are in Eve. Oh sweet I can use one variant of my gun at the Adv level Cpu/Pg output. How about more damage or even looking different. This game is tiring in it's disappointment and the LP payout just made it pointless. This message was brought to you by Gives Zero Flux. (Insert Witty Ad Here)
lcarus X Eternal Beings 21	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:54:00 - [27] - Quote If you're sp level with a gun is basic and you play FW you can get an advanced gun that does more damage with a tiny bit more range. If it looked different then that's cosmetics and to tell you the truth, that doesn't change anything really.


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