DUST Search - Please Refund AV Weaponry SP

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

Funkmaster Whale wrote:

I'm laughing at the "You just suck at AV" responses.

The tables have turned now and while before AV guys were saying "Yeah, tanks need something to help them out" and never "YOU JUST NEED TO LEARN TO TANK LOL". Now you see all these new self-proclaimed vehicle gurus going "Well clearly it's just because you suck" Roll

actually, when 1.0 first dropped it was the exact same thing, reversed. everything was "oh, you're just a bad at tanking" so, enjoy being on the ass end of the joke, I'm sure you'll be buffed to field domination as soon as the AR girls whine and CCP caves and makes tanks **** again.

Guess since I like driving tanks, I'm not allowed to have any fun, or even be remotely relevant to my team.

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

this just in: a minor nerf is now the same as a major rework!

AV:
swarms get a nerf of 110 damage and roughly 300 meter lock on.

AV grenade gets damage nerf.

Forge gun gets increased charge time AND damage nerf.

how the hell is all that a MINOR nerf?

Okay, lets take out all your variants, force you to waste slots on ammo, and brutally slash the amount of cpu/pg you get to use. you got nerfed, tanks got reworked from the ground up.

i'm not AV. though yes, I, the scout, have been nerfed may times in the past.

yeah AV got nerfed. but it was MUCH more than a MINOR nerf. and this "rework" your talking about CERTAINLY didn't nerf tanks. otherwise i wouldn't be able to build a tank cheaper than my proto scout suit, that cannot be solo'd and is damn near invincible.

If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.

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Funkmaster Whale Fatal Absolution 1312	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:49:00 - [1] - Quote Kind of inconsiderate on CCP's part when vehicles get a full respec yet those meant to counter them get a swift kick in the nuts from the nerf bat and are left in the rain. Swarms got nerfed, AV grenades got nerfed, FG got nerfed, 2 of which have become all but useless. I've tried killing tanks with my FG (Prof. V + 2 Complex Damage mods) and they literally just zip away with nitrous out of my range before I can even charge the second shot. IMO, the FG needed a slight nerf but you guys went a bit too far nerfing damage and charge time. The DPS loss, even at maxed out proficiency and damage mods, is still not enough to take a competent tank down even when they're on cooldown because they can just dip set at damn near warp speed. Anyways, this is pretty uncalled for CCP. You can't just give one side of the coin a respec because you "reworked" them and then leave the other hanging dry. Most people I know who've specced Prof. V into Swarms have deemed them useless. AV grenades can still do some damage but never enough (even at proto) to actually do anything besides scratch at them before they zip away at 200 km/h. Let me play you the song of my people!
The Attorney General 1639	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:52:00 - [2] - Quote The nitrous will get turned down. Hopefully the charge time gets bumped back to 2.0 for the IAFG. Beyond that, I don't think a respec is in order, the weapons still function in the same manner, the issue seems to be in their effectiveness. Besides, I wouldn't want to spec out of something, into the current FotM, only for CCP to reverse their decision and rebuff. Would people cry for another respec then? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
knight guard fury Brave Blueberries Inc 74	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:52:00 - [3] - Quote if your complaining about av sucking than you suck at using AV because you just have to know when to hit the tank if one ever appears. simply learn new ways to kill tanks; only attack when they have no hardeners on; or use team work. its that simple In Rust, We Trust true to the Republic
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 740	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:52:00 - [4] - Quote this just in: a minor nerf is now the same as a major rework! If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
The Attorney General 1639	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:53:00 - [5] - Quote I know some people who took the optional respec and went full caldari logi even though they didn't really want to, but because it was so dominant. How do you think they felt when the nerf bat finally fell? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3082	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:54:00 - [6] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: if your complaining about av sucking than you suck at using AV because you just have to know when to hit the tank if one ever appears. simply learn new ways to kill tanks; only attack when they have no hardeners on; or use team work. its that simple Arent you the Bshtter that says you took down a Soma Full HP with a single ADV FG shot? STU. please. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
The Attorney General 1639	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:55:00 - [7] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: if your complaining about av sucking than you suck at using AV because you just have to know when to hit the tank if one ever appears. simply learn new ways to kill tanks; only attack when they have no hardeners on; or use team work. its that simple No, he is talking about something very specific, namely the DPS output from the proto FG, which is supposed to be the premier infantry AV weapon. Personally, I agree with him that the charge time needs to come back down. It causes the heavies to put themselves in fatal risk just to get a shot in. Leave the damage, and reduce the charge time. Lets see how that works for the next months patch and decide if it was for the good or not. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3082	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:55:00 - [8] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The nitrous will get turned down. Hopefully the charge time gets bumped back to 2.0 for the IAFG. Beyond that, I don't think a respec is in order, the weapons still function in the same manner, the issue seems to be in their effectiveness. Besides, I wouldn't want to spec out of something, into the current FotM, only for CCP to reverse their decision and rebuff. Would people cry for another respec then? Something around THESE lines. I dont WANT my AV weaponry SP back. I want it to be useful. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1448	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:55:00 - [9] - Quote seems fair since they gave back vehicle sp..... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Funkmaster Whale Fatal Absolution 1312	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:57:00 - [10] - Quote I'm laughing at the "You just suck at AV" responses. The tables have turned now and while before AV guys were saying "Yeah, tanks need something to help them out" and never "YOU JUST NEED TO LEARN TO TANK LOL". Now you see all these new self-proclaimed vehicle gurus going "Well clearly it's just because you suck" Let me play you the song of my people!

8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1044	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:58:00 - [11] - Quote STFU & buy a booster, then proceed to get good! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouooooooooooooooooooooooaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooob!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 822	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:59:00 - [12] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: this just in: a minor nerf is now the same as a major rework! AV: swarms get a nerf of 110 damage and roughly 300 meter lock on. AV grenade gets damage nerf. Forge gun gets increased charge time AND damage nerf. how the hell is all that a MINOR nerf? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1044	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:59:00 - [13] - Quote STFU & buy a booster, then proceed to get good! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouooooooooooooooooooooooaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooob!
Cosgar ParagonX 8608	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:59:00 - [14] - Quote Lemme spell it out for you: Glowy tank = Baaaaad! Not glowy tank = Good! I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 740	Posted - 2013.12.13 04:00:00 - [15] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: I'm laughing at the "You just suck at AV" responses. The tables have turned now and while before AV guys were saying "Yeah, tanks need something to help them out" and never "YOU JUST NEED TO LEARN TO TANK LOL". Now you see all these new self-proclaimed vehicle gurus going "Well clearly it's just because you suck" actually, when 1.0 first dropped it was the exact same thing, reversed. everything was "oh, you're just a bad at tanking" so, enjoy being on the ass end of the joke, I'm sure you'll be buffed to field domination as soon as the AR girls whine and CCP caves and makes tanks ** again. Guess since I like driving tanks, I'm not allowed to have any fun, or even be remotely relevant to my team. TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote:** this just in: a minor nerf is now the same as a major rework! AV: swarms get a nerf of 110 damage and roughly 300 meter lock on. AV grenade gets damage nerf. Forge gun gets increased charge time AND damage nerf. how the hell is all that a MINOR nerf? Okay, lets take out all your variants, force you to waste slots on ammo, and brutally slash the amount of cpu/pg you get to use. you got nerfed, tanks got reworked from the ground up. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
The Attorney General 1641	Posted - 2013.12.13 04:01:00 - [16] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: I'm laughing at the "You just suck at AV" responses. The tables have turned now and while before AV guys were saying "Yeah, tanks need something to help them out" and never "YOU JUST NEED TO LEARN TO TANK LOL". Now you see all these new self-proclaimed vehicle gurus going "Well clearly it's just because you suck" Not all of us. Remember that please. I want AV and tanks to have good fights more than anything else. Good fights. Not one side steamrolling the other. Hopefully we can get there. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 370	Posted - 2013.12.13 04:04:00 - [17] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: if your complaining about av sucking than you suck at using AV because you just have to know when to hit the tank if one ever appears. simply learn new ways to kill tanks; only attack when they have no hardeners on; or use team work. its that simple I know it seems like whining but it's a lot more difficult than you think, if a tank drops hardeners and suffers any kind of damage they zoom out of range. There is no weapon that can really reach them or alpha enough damage to kill then in that short of time. Hard to know how much of this is only on account of a bugged mod. You probably think it should be completely difficult to kill your tank but right now AV lacks the chance to even deter a tank. There needs to be ways to hit through hardeners, though maybe not in the traditional AV sense. Right now tanks throw hardeners and plow straight into battle regardless of any AV there...that should of never happened. Should have always had to take in your surroundings.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 822	Posted - 2013.12.13 04:10:00 - [18] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: I'm laughing at the "You just suck at AV" responses. The tables have turned now and while before AV guys were saying "Yeah, tanks need something to help them out" and never "YOU JUST NEED TO LEARN TO TANK LOL". Now you see all these new self-proclaimed vehicle gurus going "Well clearly it's just because you suck" actually, when 1.0 first dropped it was the exact same thing, reversed. everything was "oh, you're just a bad at tanking" so, enjoy being on the ass end of the joke, I'm sure you'll be buffed to field domination as soon as the AR girls whine and CCP caves and makes tanks ** again. Guess since I like driving tanks, I'm not allowed to have any fun, or even be remotely relevant to my team. TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: this just in: a minor nerf is now the same as a major rework! AV: swarms get a nerf of 110 damage and roughly 300 meter lock on. AV grenade gets damage nerf. Forge gun gets increased charge time AND damage nerf. how the hell is all that a MINOR nerf? Okay, lets take out all your variants, force you to waste slots on ammo, and brutally slash the amount of cpu/pg you get to use. you got nerfed, tanks got reworked from the ground up. i'm not AV. though yes, I, the scout, have been nerfed may times in the past. yeah AV got nerfed. but it was MUCH more than a MINOR nerf. and this "rework" your talking about CERTAINLY didn't nerf tanks. otherwise i wouldn't be able to build a tank cheaper than my proto scout suit, that cannot be solo'd and is damn near invincible. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?**
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 418	Posted - 2013.12.13 04:18:00 - [19] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Kind of inconsiderate on CCP's part when vehicles get a full respec yet those meant to counter them get a swift kick in the nuts from the nerf bat and are left in the rain. Swarms got nerfed, AV grenades got nerfed, FG got nerfed, 2 of which have become all but useless. I've tried killing tanks with my FG (Prof. V + 2 Complex Damage mods) and they literally just zip away with nitrous out of my range before I can even charge the second shot. IMO, the FG needed a slight nerf but you guys went a bit too far nerfing damage and charge time. The DPS loss, even at maxed out proficiency and damage mods, is still not enough to take a competent tank down even when they're on cooldown because they can just dip set at damn near warp speed. Anyways, this is pretty uncalled for CCP. You can't just give one side of the coin a respec because you "reworked" them and then leave the other hanging dry. Most people I know who've specced Prof. V into Swarms have deemed them useless. AV grenades can still do some damage but never enough (even at proto) to actually do anything besides scratch at them before they zip away at 200 km/h. Eh.... this kind of feels like this: AR Uzar Sez: "I was standing in the middle of an open field pointing my AR at a guy, and when I started shooting, he hid behind a box! How am I supposed to kill a guy behind a box! I've tried running up to the box guns blazing, but when I get there he's moved to the other side! Not Fair! It's almost as if I should have a second guy run around the box in the other direction so he runs toward me instead! But that would mean teamwork, and I hate teamwork!" If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 740	Posted - 2013.12.13 04:25:00 - [20] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: I'm laughing at the "You just suck at AV" responses. The tables have turned now and while before AV guys were saying "Yeah, tanks need something to help them out" and never "YOU JUST NEED TO LEARN TO TANK LOL". Now you see all these new self-proclaimed vehicle gurus going "Well clearly it's just because you suck" actually, when 1.0 first dropped it was the exact same thing, reversed. everything was "oh, you're just a bad at tanking" so, enjoy being on the ass end of the joke, I'm sure you'll be buffed to field domination as soon as the AR girls whine and CCP caves and makes tanks ** again. Guess since I like driving tanks, I'm not allowed to have any fun, or even be remotely relevant to my team. TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote:** this just in: a minor nerf is now the same as a major rework! AV: swarms get a nerf of 110 damage and roughly 300 meter lock on. AV grenade gets damage nerf. Forge gun gets increased charge time AND damage nerf. how the hell is all that a MINOR nerf? Okay, lets take out all your variants, force you to waste slots on ammo, and brutally slash the amount of cpu/pg you get to use. you got nerfed, tanks got reworked from the ground up. i'm not AV. though yes, I, the scout, have been nerfed may times in the past. yeah AV got nerfed. but it was MUCH more than a MINOR nerf. and this "rework" your talking about CERTAINLY didn't nerf tanks. otherwise i wouldn't be able to build a tank cheaper than my proto scout suit, that cannot be solo'd and is damn near invincible. Your tank costs more than 500k? that's... impressive? I didn't think you could fit a solid gold, diamond encrusted grill on scouts yet. My tank is 487k isk, and it provides nothing to the team but massive, crushing alpha-strikes on enemy vehicles/instalations, and barrages of missiles to break enemy lines so the infantry can go mop up and take points. Tanks lost variety, but gained survivability. AV needs to learn how to combat this, which to their credit, some have, and others haven't. If you can't learn, demand a respec, I guess? Props to the infantry who killed my tank while it's hardeners were up. I hate you for killing my tank, but I respect you for being able to kill me. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.



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