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Ok, even though this has been covered to death, i will go over it again.

Because there is no viable counter for infantry to deploy against tanks, and since tanks are IMMUNE to normal infantry, this means in ALL scenarios a tank is the best tool for the job.

Everything in this game should have a counter. Thats how you get varied gameplay.

Now any 5 year old would correctly answer this.... but if the only counter to something is itself, does it have a counter?

Hint: no

So what is the counter to vehicles? Oh right, more vehicles.

You know what... nevermind. Have fun playing World of Tanks.

They WOULD be counters if it weren't for the fact that the "wave of opportunity" to counter a tanks is so tiny due to the fact that tanks are fast as **** right now. The problem with AV is that it's an all or nothing deal. I'm doing between 50-60 thousand damage a game with AV but I get nothing for my efforts because no kill no WP. If they brought back WP for damage it would ease things abit. Since you play WOT what would your thoughts be on module damage?

PS What tiers are you at? Personally, I rock an OBJ 704 and a Bat Chat 155 58

This is interesting. T take it a two further make the tanks that are effective against infantry ineffective against other tanks.
Similar to infantry that want use AV.

Then a tank has to decide if he wants to AV all match or hunt infantry all match. Take away the recall function and then we may be on to something.

I'm not even sure why tanks get a free recall why shouldnt you have to go to a supply depot like the rest of us? And an instant recall with no real invunlreabilty. Come on you can't see how cheap a tactict that is? An av guy does his job to the point you don't think you can recover so you run behind cover hop out and recall it? Really? Its a huge safety net for tanks that they dont need.

Its kinda like getting beat while playing kickball and you decide since your getting beat you are just gonna take your kickball and go home so now no one can play.

Scuttle away that should be possible as long as the damn thing goes ca-blooey I don't care.

1. I was responding to the guy who said AV can solo tanks with "smarts." Again so me a vid of all these "strategies"...They don't work against a non idiot tank.
2. Because then it becomes who has the most tanks with infantry having little they can do to even DETER a tank.
3. If it stays like this you just killed an entire playstyle...namely AV.
4. Right now the best answer for all situations is...use a tank.

Listen we need to change AV, I get that. Make more defensive AV..like the proxies MUCH stronger. Offensive AV can probably stay where it's at. But add better AV, like webifiers and emp that affects mod length/delay.

why do you even bother to post when you dont even know how to drive a tank properly?

Attorney General, I can't believe that you of all people would argue that tanks aren't broken.

The fact that it's literally raining tanks out on the field and every noob with a mil sp is driving them means something is seriously out of whack. The same thing happened with lavs a few builds back, and we all new they were OP. You can argue until you're blue in the face but the fact is something is seriously wrong. If CCP thinks that this is the way it should be, then they will inevitably lose a large amount of their population.

why do you post, when all your posts make you look even more stupid?

I used tanks plenty of time after the patch, my fit costs 100k and I lost it only twice because I was not paying attention and crushed into a wall at high speed I recall it as soon as the other teams brings out a railtank and it is literally printing me money.

and yeah lets play PC aka slideshow514, this is obviously is the answer to everything right? thx for highlighting your lack of credibility.

This is not a fix its a cop out, saying hey you can perform the role of AV, provided you didn't spec into forged/swarms beforehand, because that was just a SP sink!

Lolwut. What if I told you ARs, ScRs, subs, SRs were all made ineffective against infantry and you were told, hey if you want to kill infantry you have to spec into the nova knife. But it's ok all your SP is invalid, because there is still a way to kill infantry.

Wut.

I totally get your point but that changes nothing about the current situation. IMHO HAVs ARE broken at the moment this may change in a further balancing pass no question. But I guess than we will discuss all this again as HAVs all of a sudden are not easymode any longer.

We could have avoid all of this if CCP would be a bit more cautious with changes instead of making wild experiments with extreme solutions.

why should I risk my tank against another tank which is the only real counter it. it is like playing rock paper scissor with the difference that rock can only be killed by rock. if you dont understand why this is an issue then dont post, your credibility is already down the toilet.

Whether you're buffing AV or nerfing tanks, it's relatively the same. I don't know what will work, but the only proof I need is what I can see for myself on the battlefield. Currently it is definitely broken.

As a good tanker, I can see why this current state would be appealing to you. But you are in a minority, and in the end, this is a business for CCP. I personally love all of the QQ threads on the topic. Those of us veterans know that this is how CCP works.

"The squeaky wheel gets the oil"

I run forge myself, of course usually tier 4 is as high as info in pubs, proto gear should not be required for militia tanks, you have to know that.

You said yourself that tank eHp went "sideways" with this update, what that brings us to:
HAVs
Same eHP
Stronger god-mode modules
Faster base speed
Improved accuracy
Cheaper
Less SP for a decent tank

AV
33% damage nerf across the board
Engagement distance change for swarms
Still same price

Which leads us to our current development:
Tanks on cool down are easily Harder to kill than in the previous patch
Tanks off cool down are lolgodmode
Tanks are far harder to destroy and less rewarding to do so.


Proposal; roll back damage/charge time nerf, increase lock on range to 250m just to give them a change at being useful against dropships.

Or

Make tanks actually vulnerable by giving them increased damage taken when hardeners are on cool down, 20-30%
Or being back 1.6 tank speed and just a 10% debuff while on cool down.

Jagdtiger is a great td gotta watch your under glaces though BIG weakspot. Plus that's where your engine is which will burst into flames any chance it gets. Leopard does have speed and that gun but the armor is very meh. I like em because I can dump a whole arty clip(4 shells every 75 sec :3) into them and they die sobbing arty tears. (French tier 10 arty FTW) But on a more related note what would you think of module damage, ie if you take a massive shot to the tracks you get immobilized take a shot to the gun and you cant shoot?