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Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 210	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:24:00 - [1] - Quote With the release of the assault combat rifle I now use 0 BPO's in my suit, this makes my Advanced suit cost 45k. If i go 3/15 in a match I go even with ISK. How am I meant to make money? CCP says that there game isn't a pay to win but if i'm forced into using worse gear than people who pay using AUR then they are paying to win. Nothing against people who do actually pay using AUR, we were told that this is a game environment where P2W didn't exist, and that you would not be receiving an unfair advantage. There needs to be another way of ISK to enter the game. PvP would be a great example, but id assume thats way off. (unless you hid some drones in the last update???) The player market is also another good example, but it still rely's heavily on the ISK that's in the game and doesn't create a new source of income, which is needed. Gÿé Syeven 514
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2113	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:29:00 - [2] - Quote Run a cheaper fit. If you can make it work a standard suit with advanced weapon can hit hard on a budget. Hail Satan
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2195	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:32:00 - [3] - Quote If you are dying 15 times per match you need to rethink your tactics. Ask questions in the rookie training grounds section of the forums. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 211	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:33:00 - [4] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: If you are dying 15 times per match you need to rethink your tactics. Ask questions in the rookie training grounds section of the forums. 3 deaths / 15 kills :P EDIT: took to long for me to notice iv been trolled sad face Gÿé Syeven 514
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 458	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:40:00 - [5] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: If you are dying 15 times per match you need to rethink your tactics. Ask questions in the rookie training grounds section of the forums. 3 deaths / 15 kills :P EDIT: took to long for me to notice iv been trolled sad face There's no way you earn less than 150k on a full match. em ta kool t'nod
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR 1098	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:41:00 - [6] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: With the release of the assault combat rifle I now use 0 BPO's in my suit, this makes mynced suit cost 45k. If i go 3/15 in a match I go even with ISK. How am I meant to make money? CCP says that there game isn't a pay to win but if i'm forced into using militia gear than people who pay using AUR then they are paying to win. Nothing against people who do actually pay using AUR, we were told that this is a game environment where P2W didn't exist, and that you would not be receiving an unfair advantage. There needs to be another way of ISK to enter the game. PvP would be a great example, but id assume thats way off. (unless you hid some drones in the last update???) The player market is also another good example, but it still rely's heavily on the ISK that's in the game and doesn't create a new source of income, which is needed. Here's a note = the new LP items are little to no points a proto suit cost 150lp so if u have level 3 on a certain suit u can use the proto version early in the faction store depending on what faction u use its real good if u dont really have isk try it ohh and try to avoid gettitin TK at the start and remember touse squad finder being in a squad will get u less killed OPEN THE MERCS QUARTERS :-D!!!!!!!!!!!! Youtube Vids coming Soon
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 272	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:42:00 - [7] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: If you are dying 15 times per match you need to rethink your tactics. Ask questions in the rookie training grounds section of the forums. 3 deaths / 15 kills :P EDIT: took to long for me to notice iv been trolled sad face I have never seen a D/K ratio before.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2195	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:44:00 - [8] - Quote No intention to troll. We usually write the numbers in KDR order. If your suit costs 45K and you are only dying 3 times then you should be making money. Try using drop uplinks to buff your war points a bit. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1883	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:57:00 - [9] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: With the release of the assault combat rifle I now use 0 BPO's in my suit, this makes my Advanced suit cost 45k. If i go 3/15 in a match I go even with ISK. How am I meant to make money? CCP says that there game isn't a pay to win but if i'm forced into using worse gear than people who pay using AUR then they are paying to win. Nothing against people who do actually pay using AUR, we were told that this is a game environment where P2W didn't exist, and that you would not be receiving an unfair advantage. There needs to be another way of ISK to enter the game. PvP would be a great example, but id assume thats way off. (unless you hid some drones in the last update???) The player market is also another good example, but it still rely's heavily on the ISK that's in the game and doesn't create a new source of income, which is needed. -So if you were to just sit and battle, do nothing, and lose you get around 50k on average for a match. If you were do run around, do mostly nothing and win you get a little more, like 100k. After, that through winning you can put a little more effort forward to get around +50% isk to +200% more isk, but this is really dependent on how poorly your team does. If you all do about the same, you'll have a hard time earning huge amounts, and therefore the risk of expensive suits just won't pay off. -Ambush matches with minimal losses are some of the most profitable things you can do. -Proficiency II turns a STD weapon into an ADV weapon and ADV to PRO in terms of damage. Consider this in your fittings and skill point allocation. The same is true with an enhanced damage mod. -Your combat rifle's damage at range isn't going to be as good as the RR or ScR so don't compare yourself to them. You need the speed and shield buffer to get in range to use your superior damage and reliability at closer range with the CR.
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 229	Posted - 2013.12.26 10:40:00 - [10] - Quote when all has been said, I still think a new source of income is needed!! Gÿé Syeven 514

Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 25	Posted - 2013.12.26 12:35:00 - [11] - Quote If you need ISK try making a cheaper suit (as is the go-to response from most people). But in all seriousness if you have any BPOs they can help immensely in lowering costs. When I'm more concerned about ISK I run my Sever Logi with ADV scanner and Rep Tool. The rest is BPO/MLT and it only costs me 12k with little difference in effectiveness. Then again when I Logi I'm pure support so I always have green dots acting as meat shields. It all comes down to a balancing act between cost/reward. If you want to be more effective, you have to be prepared to make less/no profit. If you want more profit, you need to sacrifice effectiveness for low costs. Failing these options, camp the redline with a sniper/rail tank and prepare for the ****-storm that comes from such cowardly tactics.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 465	Posted - 2013.12.26 17:40:00 - [12] - Quote No he really is right though. I run a 50k advanced suit most times (even though i have proto'd two) and i make anywhere from 200-300k most matches coming in the top 5 with at the very least 1000 wp. That means if i die 4-6 times i break even. Im lucky enough to get away with only a death or two a match most times, but if its a tough battle to control a point all match, ill probably lose money. Isk payouts suck in pubs
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3461	Posted - 2013.12.26 17:44:00 - [13] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: If you are dying 15 times per match you need to rethink your tactics. Ask questions in the rookie training grounds section of the forums. I do this from time to time, comes from refusing to give up when everyone else has......in a minmatar scout suit. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 79	Posted - 2013.12.26 18:02:00 - [14] - Quote An ADV suit with careful mod selection can run you under 20k and still be competitive. The main fitting I've used since maybe 1.2 is something like 15K.
Bunny Demon Scions of Athra 49	Posted - 2013.12.26 18:10:00 - [15] - Quote 3 simple solutions: 1- don't die, proto lp normally helps with this as you are normally more cautious 2- use a tank and starter suit 3- run an organised squad and militia will be just as good (besides, you really want to have a challenge when you play games else there's no point so why not try and win with shi* fits?) Donate isk to the guy above ^ (Or me, whichever you prefer)
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 61	Posted - 2013.12.26 18:24:00 - [16] - Quote Step one get a mlt tank step two blow stuff up step three get paid. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Cpl Foster USMC The Defiants-Team 6 391	Posted - 2013.12.26 18:36:00 - [17] - Quote stop complaining... Proto Assault Suit=170,000isk Proto Sniper Suit=138,000isk Adv Heavy Suit=54,000isk Proto Bomber Suit=110,000isk 4 other suits based on Min Med mk.0= +70,000 and I always turn a profit.... Please remember people.....this is just a game....relax, put down the sticks, and go hug somebody...
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings 745	Posted - 2013.12.27 11:42:00 - [18] - Quote bump ---OFFICIAL LOGISTICS REGISTRY BOARD/ H.O.F.----
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services 71	Posted - 2013.12.27 11:45:00 - [19] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: With the release of the assault combat rifle I now use 0 BPO's in my suit, this makes my Advanced suit cost 45k. If i go 15/3 in a match, I go even with ISK. How am I meant to make money? Don't run an advanced suit perhaps?... EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 666	Posted - 2013.12.27 15:59:00 - [20] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: With the release of the assault combat rifle I now use 0 BPO's in my suit, this makes my Advanced suit cost 45k. If i go 15/3 in a match, I go even with ISK. How am I meant to make money? CCP says that there game isn't a pay to win but if i'm forced into using worse gear than people who pay using AUR then they are paying to win. Nothing against people who do actually pay using AUR, we were told that this is a game environment where P2W didn't exist, and that you would not be receiving an unfair advantage. There needs to be another way of ISK to enter the game. PvP would be a great example, but id assume thats way off. (unless you hid some drones in the last update???) The player market is also another good example, but it still rely's heavily on the ISK that's in the game and doesn't create a new source of income, which is needed. Have to kill over 30 and die twice to make any money

low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 1038	Posted - 2013.12.27 16:16:00 - [21] - Quote sounds like your fit is too expensive, and that's all there is to it.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 600	Posted - 2013.12.27 16:26:00 - [22] - Quote Become a better player and die less while killing more/earning more WP. My advanced suits run from 60-70k and my "budget" proto suits are around 130k. If you only die once or twice, you tend to break even or make money. Also, running with a competent squad decreases the likelihood of death and suit loss.
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance 39	Posted - 2013.12.27 16:31:00 - [23] - Quote Focus on earning warpoints rather than kills. Kills are one of the lowest warpoint-sources (you only get 50 a kill). In fact you get more points using a nanite injector to revive someone than killing an enemy. That alone should tell you that dust isn't a deathmatch game where the person with the most kills autmatically get the most reward. Use and plant more drop uplinks, use the repper tool more often, kill more tanks, hack more objectives etc. Also don't overuse over-expensive fits. You think 45k per suit is expensive? Try playing as a heavy like I do sometimes. An advanced heavy suit with a proto hmg and modules cost over 100k. Just losing one takes almost a third or half of what I usually earn each match (usually between 200k-300k).
commando biffle Shadow Company HQ 10	Posted - 2013.12.27 16:37:00 - [24] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: With the release of the assault combat rifle I now use 0 BPO's in my suit, this makes my Advanced suit cost 45k. If i go 15/3 in a match, I go even with ISK. How am I meant to make money? CCP says that there game isn't a pay to win but if i'm forced into using worse gear than people who pay using AUR then they are paying to win. Nothing against people who do actually pay using AUR, we were told that this is a game environment where P2W didn't exist, and that you would not be receiving an unfair advantage. There needs to be another way of ISK to enter the game. PvP would be a great example, but id assume thats way off. (unless you hid some drones in the last update???) The player market is also another good example, but it still rely's heavily on the ISK that's in the game and doesn't create a new source of income, which is needed. its PvE not PvP
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance 39	Posted - 2013.12.27 16:37:00 - [25] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: when all has been said, I still think a new source of income is needed!! Well, in Eve theres an article of trade goods called "Prostitutes". You could always ask ccp if they'd let your toon become one.


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