Wait, grab the wall,
what's the damage per clip of the proto assault smg vrs the damage per clip of the assault combat rifle?

not bad reasoning, but instead of mediocre dmg and clip, I'd prefer to emphasize pros and cons. eg increase dmg by 5% which will make it the top dps, and help clip dmg slightly but mostly leave intact as its drawback.

The assault combat rifle (ACR) really needs its clip size increased no seriously hear me out. The main reason being is that you can only kill one tanked medium suit and injure a second with a full clip then you have to reload. So you pretty much have to reload after one kill which takes around 2.6 seconds, now the main reason behind this is because of the low damage per bullet.

I have done some number crunching to work out the amount of damage you get out of one clip. I have calculated each proto assault rifle variant including minmatar, gallente, amarr and caldari, as follows.

All calculations have been done on base values, proficiency and damamge modules are not included, though if they were concluded it would dramatically increase the higher damage weapons full clip damage. This is of course assuming that all of the bullets in the clip hit their target.

I decided to add proficiency 5 (15%) and one complex damage module (10%) combined is 25% extra damage in brackets, to help enlighten everyone on how extra damage effects different damage rated weapons.

Minmatar ACR does 1577.6 damage per clip and does 464 (580 +25%) damage per second. Total damage increase of 116.

Gallente AR does 2244 damage per clip and does 467.5 (584.37 +25%) damage per second. Total damage increase of 116.87

Amarr ASR does 2851.2 damage per clip and does 465.3 (581.62 +25%) damage per second. Total damage increase of 116.32

Caldari ARR does 1981.98 damage per clip and does 471.9 (589.87 +25%) damage per second. Total 25% increase of 117.97

As you can see all of the weapons do relatively the same amount of damage per second which is fair, though when it comes to damage per clip the Amarr carthium scrambler rifle takes 1st prize at dealing a whooping 2851.2 damage per clip.

The runner up 2nd placed favorite Gallente duvoulle assault rifle does a good amount of damage per clip at 2244 per clip.

The third place goes to the Caldari Assault rail rifle (can't remember the name) dealing a modest 1981.98 damage per clip which is nearly 1000 less damage than the carthium per clip.

Then last but not least in 4th place we have the star of the show the Minmater Assault combat rifle (can't remember the name) which does a measly 1577.6 damage per clip which is 1273.6 damage less than the amarr rifle, 666.4 less than the Gallente rifle and a reasonable 404.38 less than the Caldari rifle.

Now my solution is to increase the Minmatar assault combat rifles clip from 68 to 80 which therefore increases its damage per clip from 1577.6 to 1856, now this is a modest ask and still leaves the ACR in last place for damage per clip.

Hopefully I have been able to shed some light on the shear scale of the damage differences between the proto assault versions of the four said factions clips.

You do realise thats NOT fair as all of them have different ranges how could it be fair that one AR with has the same DPS as another while having less range? What is the reason to use the AR with less range over the one with more Range?.

If you want to have all rifles the same damage and damage per clip why have different rifles at all?

Wait, what, is the Gallente blaster AR not supposed to by the highest dps with its shorter range? You have a rifle that destroys armor and you have longer range. It is an assault variant, that is the Gallente ARs speciality. Or I want to have our Gallente burst to have the same range as your combat rifles.

If you want to run with assault rifles, stay with the superior Gallente rifle or use your own superior burst rifle.

This is correct the combat rifle is one of, if not the, most balenced rifles on both it's variants it's assault variation is and will not be ment to outperform the galente Plasma rifle on that front, not only this but it's a respectable weapon in it's own right, with little recoil, rast reload speed, and increased range it's devistating at midrange combat, but only if you can aim: if you're having problems with the weapon I'm not sure what to say.

Mind you I'm a scout so I've been using gimped gear for months, this has increased my aiming ability due to the fact that screwing up is my ass.

Your right I didn't think about it like that but now that you mention it, by your reasoning how does the carthium have more range and do a lot more damage per clip compared to the duvuolle, please do throw me a bone, help me out here, im confused.

If you ask me, NO.
Theres no need change anything regarding the AR, not before CCP fixes the HMG.
The heavy class got one bulletbased weapon, and it needs to be fixed before CCP starts remodeling, tweak or change anyting related to the assault rifles.

Your right I didn't think about it like that but now that you mention it, by your reasoning how does the carthium have more range and do a lot more damage per clip compared to the duvuolle, please do throw me a bone, help me out here, im confused.

not bad reasoning, but instead of mediocre dmg and clip, I'd prefer to emphasize pros and cons. eg increase dmg by 5% which will make it the top dps, and help clip dmg slightly but mostly leave intact as its drawback.

Honestly I have no clue. Rifle balance is a bit out of control in 1.7. I have said this since I knew the numbers CP gave us.

It should be something like this:

Plasma short Range with high to very high DPS
Projectile short to medium range with high DPS
Impulse laser medium to long range with medium DPS
Rail long range with low to medium DPS

That way every Rifle even the mimic ones would have their own niche where they could excel

But CCP gave us:
Plasma short Range with high DPS
Projectile short to medium range with high to very high DPS
Impulse laser medium to long range with high to very high DPS
Rail long range with high DPS

So currently there is no real benefit in using Plasma rifles at all apart from missing SP to skill one of the other rifles...

The assault combat rifle (ACR) really needs its clip size increased no seriously hear me out. The main reason being is that you can only kill one tanked medium suit and injure a second with a full clip then you have to reload. So you pretty much have to reload after one kill which takes around 2.6 seconds, now the main reason behind this is because of the low damage per bullet.

I have done some number crunching to work out the amount of damage you get out of one clip. I have calculated each proto assault rifle variant including minmatar, gallente, amarr and caldari, as follows.

All calculations have been done on base values, proficiency and damamge modules are not included, though if they were concluded it would dramatically increase the higher damage weapons full clip damage. This is of course assuming that all of the bullets in the clip hit their target.

I decided to add proficiency 5 (15%) and one complex damage module (10%) combined is 25% extra damage in brackets, to help enlighten everyone on how extra damage effects different damage rated weapons.

Minmatar ACR does 1577.6 damage per clip and does 464 (580 +25%) damage per second. Total damage increase of 116.
Reload speed of 2.6 seconds.

Gallente AR does 2244 damage per clip and does 467.5 (584.37 +25%) damage per second. Total damage increase of 116.87
Reload speed of 3 seconds.

Amarr ASR does 2851.2 damage per clip and does 465.3 (581.62 +25%) damage per second. Total damage increase of 116.32
Reload speed of 2.5 seconds.

Caldari ARR does 1981.98 damage per clip and does 471.9 (589.87 +25%) damage per second. Total 25% increase of 117.97
Reload speed of 3.2 seconds.

As you can see all of the weapons do relatively the same amount of damage per second which is fair, though when it comes to damage per clip the Amarr carthium scrambler rifle takes 1st prize at dealing a whooping 2851.2 damage per clip.

The runner up 2nd placed favorite Gallente duvoulle assault rifle does a good amount of damage per clip at 2244 per clip.

The third place goes to the Caldari Assault rail rifle (can't remember the name) dealing a modest 1981.98 damage per clip which is nearly 1000 less damage than the carthium per clip.

Then last but not least in 4th place we have the star of the show the Minmater Assault combat rifle (can't remember the name) which does a measly 1577.6 damage per clip which is 1273.6 damage less than the amarr rifle, 666.4 less than the Gallente rifle and a reasonable 404.38 less than the Caldari rifle.

Now my solution is to increase the Minmatar assault combat rifles clip from 68 to 80 which therefore increases its damage per clip from 1577.6 to 1856, now this is a modest ask and still leaves the ACR in last place for damage per clip.

Hopefully I have been able to shed some light on the shear scale of the damage differences between the proto assault versions of the four said factions clips.

Or change the bonus to the minmatar assault suit to give it a bonus to the projectile weapon clip size. So that all racial assault suits effectively bonus their main weapon. You'd have to somehow do caldari then too.

GRIM GEAR

NO. The ACR is VERY powerful as it is. It works by the same mechanics as the SCR rifle. EZ to kill people 1 on 1, hard to use vs multiple enemies.

Want to kill more enemies per clip?
Stop being EZ MODERS USING ASSAULT EVERYTHING TO SPRAY AND PRAY , get skill and use the regular Combat rifle.

GRIM GEAR

NO. The ACR is VERY powerful as it is. It works by the same mechanics as the SCR rifle. EZ to kill people 1 on 1, hard to use vs multiple enemies.

Want to kill more enemies per clip?
Stop being EZ MODERS USING ASSAULT EVERYTHING TO SPRAY AND PRAY , get skill and use the regular Combat rifle.

Assault combat rifle is perfect as is. It's powerful, but the standard is better, just like what every racial rifle should be.