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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:26:00 -
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Why not just make piloting an HAV require teamwork?
I mean AV currently requires teamwork right?
Why not?
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1992
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:28:00 -
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Because Tanks are what Heavies should be like. It should take more than one person to take down both a tank and a Heavy.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1867
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:29:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Because Tanks are what Heavies should be like. It should take more than one person to take down both a tank and a Heavy.
Bro, do you even CreoDron Shotgun? Or Scout?
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1527
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:30:00 -
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Because Patrick57 is right. Besides, infantry still does most of the killing on the battlefield. Can't kill a tank? hide from it!!! (or jihad lav it, your choice)
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1996
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:31:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Because Tanks are what Heavies should be like. It should take more than one person to take down both a tank and a Heavy. Bro, do you even CreoDron Shotgun? Or Scout?
No, because those are broken too. They die faster than the speed of those tanks.
And the Shotgun....
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1527
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:31:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Because Tanks are what Heavies should be like. It should take more than one person to take down both a tank and a Heavy. Bro, do you even CreoDron Shotgun? Or Scout?
Bro, do you even Dust 514?
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
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Long Evity
692
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:31:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Why not just make piloting an HAV require teamwork?
I mean AV currently requires teamwork right?
Why not?
This thread sucks, mines better. 
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1867
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:34:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Because Patrick57 is right. Besides, infantry still does most of the killing on the battlefield. Can't kill a tank? hide from it!!! (or jihad lav it, your choice)
Jihad LAV it huh?
Funny how I tried that, and now I decided to visit the forums because I can't play FW until downtime. And I don't like PUBs.
Hide from it?
Not every map is a city, and what happens when your on a map like Manus Peak?
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1996
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:34:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Because Patrick57 is right. Besides, infantry still does most of the killing on the battlefield. Can't kill a tank? hide from it!!! (or jihad lav it, your choice) Jihad LAV it huh? Funny how I tried that, and now I decided to visit the forums because I can't play FW until downtime. And I don't like PUBs. Hide from it? Not every map is a city, and what happens when your on a map like Manus Peak?
Play PC
Oh, wait.....
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1867
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:35:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Atiim wrote:Why not just make piloting an HAV require teamwork?
I mean AV currently requires teamwork right?
Why not? This thread sucks, mines better.
I haven't read your thread, but okay. 
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1867
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:38:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Atiim wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Because Tanks are what Heavies should be like. It should take more than one person to take down both a tank and a Heavy. Bro, do you even CreoDron Shotgun? Or Scout? Bro, do you even Dust 514?
One does not simply "Dust 514".
Being able to "Dust 514" would imply that this game is actually different and beyond your average lobby FPS shooter with a TTK faster than your joystick can rotate.
And what's the problem? As long as the heavy isn't using an AR or SCR I can usually handle them with my ADV suit. Just simply go behind them and move behind him constantly as he turns around.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
469
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Because Tanks are what Heavies should be like. It should take more than one person to take down both a tank and a Heavy. Bro, do you even CreoDron Shotgun? Or Scout?
You just proved his point.
Sagaris lover!!!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1873
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:39:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Atiim wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Because Tanks are what Heavies should be like. It should take more than one person to take down both a tank and a Heavy. Bro, do you even CreoDron Shotgun? Or Scout? You just proved his point.
How?
It only takes one good scout to kill a heavy.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2000
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Atiim wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Because Tanks are what Heavies should be like. It should take more than one person to take down both a tank and a Heavy. Bro, do you even CreoDron Shotgun? Or Scout? Bro, do you even Dust 514? One does not simply "Dust 514". Being able to "Dust 514" would imply that this game is actually different and beyond your average lobby FPS shooter with a TTK faster than your joystick can rotate. And what's the problem? As long as the heavy isn't using an AR or SCR I can usually handle them with my ADV suit. Just simply go behind them and move behind him constantly as he turns around.
It is different. I've never, in any other game, been able to die so quickly to so many things.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1873
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:40:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Because Tanks are what Heavies should be like. It should take more than one person to take down both a tank and a Heavy.
Also, heavies require teamwork to be successful.
See: Logistics
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Never go full COD.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1873
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:43:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:
Play PC
Oh, wait.....
Another one?
You can't balance everything off of one gamemode.
Not everyone plays PC, so why should everything be balanced around it?
Also, I do play PC. In fact I helped Days Of Ruin get their first district not too long ago.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Long Evity
695
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:45:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Long Evity wrote:Atiim wrote:Why not just make piloting an HAV require teamwork?
I mean AV currently requires teamwork right?
Why not? This thread sucks, mines better. I haven't read your thread, but okay.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=127728&find=unread
And stop talking about infantry, only bad heavies get solo'd by scouts. And your lack of PC does indeed hurt your validity of your opinions. But i'm sure you'll find support from other players who dont PC and find it wrong.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2000
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:46:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Play PC
Oh, wait..... Another one? You can't balance everything off of one gamemode. Not everyone plays PC, so why should everything be balanced around it? Also, I do play PC. In fact I helped Days Of Ruin get their first district not too long ago.
I wasn't implying you don't play, just that it's unplayable.
And why not? It's the most competitive game mode. All the other game modes are less hardcore than this one, so it should be balanced first and then the rest balanced around it.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
625
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Why not just make piloting an HAV require teamwork?
I mean AV currently requires teamwork right?
Why not?
They already are, a tank is the ISK value of three proto'ed out clones, or more. One player is paying for this out of their own pocket for one death. Team work should be reqire from AV not tanks.
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HTFU: adapt or die
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1878
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:56:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Atiim wrote:Long Evity wrote:Atiim wrote:Why not just make piloting an HAV require teamwork?
I mean AV currently requires teamwork right?
Why not? This thread sucks, mines better. I haven't read your thread, but okay. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=127728&find=unreadAnd stop talking about infantry, only bad heavies get solo'd by scouts. And your lack of PC does indeed hurt your validity of your opinions. But i'm sure you'll find support from other players who dont PC and find it wrong.
I wouldn't say lack of PC. I'd put it more as "Got sick and tired of the 5 FPS and lollag and don't play it as much anymore".
And to be fair, 99.999999999999% of this game's playerbase are filled with bad players. How else could you explain the atrocity known as FW Blueberries?
And I do still play PC. Just not as much anymore.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
2987
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:56:00 -
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Balance means 1 player will always have a chance to drop the OTHER player, regardless of sp,ISK invested, equipment chosen.
ALL FPS have this.
As it is , 1 Aver cant take on 1 tank. 1 tanker can take many Avers out.
There by, there is NO balance. simple as that.
If AV needs Teamwork , so should Tanking.
If you fail to see this, you are a scrub or a tanker. (or probably both)
SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2004
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:57:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I wouldn't say lack of PC. I'd put it more as "Got sick and tired of the 5 FPS and lollag and don't play it as much anymore".
And to be fair, 99.999999999999% of this game's playerbase are filled with bad players. How else could you explain the atrocity known as FW Blueberries?
And I do still play PC. Just not as much anymore.
Who did you play against when you weren't "sick and tired" of PC?
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
473
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:59:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Balance means 1 player will always have a chance to drop the OTHER player, regardless of sp,ISK invested, equipment choosed.
ALL FPS have this.
As it is , 1 Aver cant take on 1 tank. 1 tanker can take many Avers out.
There by, there is NO balance. simple as that.
If AV needs Teamwork , so should Tanking.
If you fail to see this, you are a scrub or a tanker. (or probably both)
Totally, make my tank 50k isk and sure... in 1.6, a 9mil sp player with a 2.5 mil isk tank with lots of tanking experience gets killed by one 47k isk 900k sp proto Fg that can see the whole map cuz the bch camps on tower...
If thats balance then i quit!
Sagaris lover!!!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1878
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:02:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Atiim wrote:I wouldn't say lack of PC. I'd put it more as "Got sick and tired of the 5 FPS and lollag and don't play it as much anymore".
And to be fair, 99.999999999999% of this game's playerbase are filled with bad players. How else could you explain the atrocity known as FW Blueberries?
And I do still play PC. Just not as much anymore. Who did you play against when you weren't "sick and tired" of PC?
I did some work for D3LTA back when I was with them, but I got tired of PC around the time where I decided to split.
Ever since me and my friends made [SSQP] I haven't played PC besides my work for Days Of Ruin.
Is there a point to your question?
Or are you one of those "leul ur K/D is lower than mine, STFU and get gud nub" kind of people?
[edit] Not sure on who I was fighting back in D3LTA (So long ago lol) But when I was working for DOR I was mainly fighting Planetary Retaliation Organization. DOR needed my help because they decided to field some ringers from Ahrendee Mercenaries.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2005
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:04:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I did some work for D3LTA back when I was with them, but I got tired of PC around the time where I decided to split. Ever since me and my friends made [SSQP] I haven't played PC besides my work for Days Of Ruin. Is there a point to your question? Or are you one of those "leul ur K/D is lower than mine, STFU and get gud nub" kind of people?
I don't give a **** about K/D, it's a meaningless stat. My K/D went down since today, I'm not crying about it am I?
Yes, there is a point.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1878
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:07:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:
Totally, make my tank 50k isk and sure... in 1.6, a 9mil sp player with a 2.5 mil isk tank with lots of tanking experience gets killed by one 47k isk 900k sp proto Fg that can see the whole map cuz the bch camps on tower...
If thats balance then i quit!
Your tank already costs 97,500k ISK. My best AV suit is double the price.
If you can't be soloed, then you shouldn't be able to run solo. If you can be soloed, then you should be able to run solo.
But if you quit, I can has your ISK?
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
2990
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:14:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:
Totally, make my tank 50k isk and sure... in 1.6, a 9mil sp player with a 2.5 mil isk tank with lots of tanking experience gets killed by one 47k isk 900k sp proto Fg that can see the whole map cuz the bch camps on tower...
If thats balance then i quit!
You are just a SELFISH player like most vehicle drivers.
the SP/ISK/Time you have invested DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT to stomp on new players (for example) without counter.
EVERY FPS game has balance. So much that a BASIC fit can take out the most experienced player with better equipment if played right.
Same as a MLT AR can down a PROTO dropsuit with PROTO EVERYTHING, a single AVers should have a chance vs any kind of tank.
If cyou cant understand how this is balance and how it helps a game, then you can Quit!
What you are looking for is a PAY TO WIN game... .those fit you more!
WE DONT WANT YOU HERE.
Thanks to people like you we have yet another season of Tank514....
SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
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Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
473
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:21:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:
Totally, make my tank 50k isk and sure... in 1.6, a 9mil sp player with a 2.5 mil isk tank with lots of tanking experience gets killed by one 47k isk 900k sp proto Fg that can see the whole map cuz the bch camps on tower...
If thats balance then i quit!
You are just a SELFISH player like most vehicle drivers.the SP/ISK/Time you have invested DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT to stomp on new players (for example) without counter. EVERY FPS game has balance. So much that a BASIC fit can take out the most experienced player with better equipment if played right. Same as a MLT AR can down a PROTO dropsuit with PROTO EVERYTHING, a single AVers should have a chance vs any kind of tank.If cyou cant understand how this is balance and how it helps a game, then you can Quit! What you are looking for is a PAY TO WIN game... .those fit you more! WE DONT WANT YOU HERE.
EVERY FPS DOESN'T HAVE A FKING ECONOMY!!! WHEN WE DIES IN BF4, IT MEANS NOTHING, NO HARM DONE BUT IN DUST ITS DIFFERENT. I THOUGH A GUY LIKE YOU WOULD KNOW BUT IT TURNS OUT YOU'RE A COMPLETE DUMB ASS.
Why does it take 0 skill to kill with an AR but a lot of skill to actually pilot a tank? A militia AR is very effective but why aren't militia tanks(1.6). Why do tanks cost so much? they get blown up in like a clip of a proto FG (not me but most new player) why does it take 2 volley of proto swams to kill a soma. These people stand no chance against proto AV and it takes tremendous skill to even pilot a tank.
Anyway, who the fk said they wanted you?
Sagaris lover!!!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:33:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:
EVERY FPS DOESN'T HAVE A FKING ECONOMY!!! WHEN WE DIES IN BF4, IT MEANS NOTHING, NO HARM DONE BUT IN DUST ITS DIFFERENT. I THOUGH A GUY LIKE YOU WOULD KNOW BUT IT TURNS OUT YOU'RE A COMPLETE DUMB ASS.
Why does it take 0 skill to kill with an AR but a lot of skill to actually pilot a tank? A militia AR is very effective but why aren't militia tanks(1.6). Why do tanks cost so much? they get blown up in like a clip of a proto FG (not me but most new player) why does it take 2 volley of proto swams to kill a soma. These people stand no chance against proto AV and it takes tremendous skill to even pilot a tank.
Anyway, who the fk said they wanted you?
What "skill" does piloting an HAV have?
Do you mean SP? I mad a Sica that can hold it's own against PRO AV with 0 SP investment.
Do you mean actual skill? Using an HAV requires the same "skill" as an AR.
The Assault Rifles are completely broken through all tiers, so that analogy is not credible. Use a different MLT Weapon as your example. '
It doesn't take two volleys of PRO swarms to destroy a Soma anymore. And you think new infantry stand a chance against a good player? And if they are in a PRO suit?
New players shouldn't be babied to the point where they can withstand and even the best players. What you just said is like saying "Those new players should stand a good chance against 16 people from TeamPlayers, Imperfects, Fatal Absolution, Nyain San, Molon Labe, Ahrendee Mercenaries, NAO, SCAIT, Science For Death, and other corps that have good players in them.
And nobody wanted or even needed you here either. You have no concept of balance and would like nothing more than a new release of Tank 514: The Uprising.
You don't even attempt to come up with ideas on how to balance things, so why you would criticize anyone is well beyond my comprehension.
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
2995
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:34:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:
EVERY FPS DOESN'T HAVE A FKING ECONOMY!!! WHEN WE DIES IN BF4, IT MEANS NOTHING, NO HARM DONE BUT IN DUST ITS DIFFERENT. I THOUGH A GUY LIKE YOU WOULD KNOW BUT IT TURNS OUT YOU'RE A COMPLETE DUMB ASS.
Why does it take 0 skill to kill with an AR but a lot of skill to actually pilot a tank? A militia AR is very effective but why aren't militia tanks(1.6). Why do tanks cost so much? they get blown up in like a clip of a proto FG (not me but most new player) why does it take 2 volley of proto swams to kill a soma. These people stand no chance against proto AV and it takes tremendous skill to even pilot a tank.
Anyway, who the fk said they wanted you?
SP/ISK/Experience/TIME invested gives you and EDGE over the enemy.
It should NOT make you inmune.
A clip of ANY FG, wont take down ANY TANK. Prooved it today with my Proto Breach FG with 2cx da mods and proficicency 5 vs a soma.
BTW ,EVERYBODY thinks their weapon/vehicle takes skill. While everybody else thinks its EZ mode.
Ask DS pilots,Mass driver users, Sniper Rifle users,Tanker users (like yourself) or SCR users like myself.
IMO. in 1.7 = Being in a battleffield surrounded by Automatic weapons,enemies with 700+EHP, with my SCR that can overheat if misused , getting headshot after headshot with it and surviving with 500 total EHP , while playing as a lone wolf in amarr FW , vs Matari Corps all day long ; takes skill. But in your opinion im just being a skill less FOTM chaser no?
well.AT LEAST IM NOT IMMORTAL, like tanks....
SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
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