DUST Search - 1.7 . The Con and the Pro, IMO.

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

CAMille DANIELz wrote:

Much of the argument I'm seeing is that you can no longer solo a tank with infantry. I'm sorry to have to tell you all this - the point of tanks in the first place is the mass suppression of enemy forces. I will admit the base speed needs to be tuned down 10%-15%, but overall this is how it should be.

In 1.6 an AV infantry used to two/three-shot a well fit tank all by itself, it should take teamwork for infantry to pull this off. An important role of the tank is to destroy other tanks. Infantry should NEVER be better than tanks at this, they dont even belong on-par.

AGAIN.

uff ,im getting tired of the scrubiness.

At THE END OF THE DAY IS 1 player VS 1 player.

one player should always be able to sucesfully kill the other player with the correct equipment, REGARDLESS of Equipment,SP-ISK invested...the other player has.

THIS IS WHAT BALANCE MEANS.

>>> BALANCE <<<

What we have now is broken ass invincible tanks... And i m glad for it.
The only thing taht really bothers me is vehicle drivers thinking they got good over night , and cant realize their vehicles have been buffed way too much,next to AV nerf....Amking them invincible.

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KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2969	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:40:00 - [1] - Quote I have 1 good thing and 1 BAD thing i want to point my finger on. PLUS: Thanks to Combat and Rail rifles;Nubs have left alone my SCR rifle and i actually dont see them with it anymore. TY. Now i can proudly weild my SCR .... Now everyone thinks they are gdamned awesome with a Gal Logi and a Assault Combar rifle. Rofl.... CON:* Can someone PLEASE explain me how im supposed to kill a tank? Just saying: I got in a match and the enemy threw out like 4+ tanks , and i was with the Breach FG and coulnt drop a single one of them.....They are EVEN FASTER than before, FG's deal LESS damage than before...After the 1st shot they are either GONE or at Full HP again....WTH...? So in order to not stress myself out i've decided to only IGNORE them, since i know i just cant kill them. Overall the patch feels good: GÖª TTK is still low as hell, meaning HP difference is barely noticable. Im running a 500 HP Amarr with SCR and i kill and get killed as always.Still fun. GÖª one thing : it seems that latency is off the hook. I've had a lot of Laggy games. Like serious lag.I dont even want to know how PC is doing... GÖª the volcano stuff is epic GÖª The playebase seems motivated GÖª The EZ mode version of the new weapons give a chance to the n00bs of New eden. Assault Rail and Combat rifle gives them an EZ mode option to deal with enemies even longer ranges.Paired with heavy Armored dropsuits , even the most n00bish of scrubs has a chance now. GÖª Somehow one of my favourite weapons, the Breach AR, works marvelously.... What about you? What do you guys think of 1.7...? SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2275	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:46:00 - [2] - Quote 1. You listed 2 Pro's, not one (each new weapon should be considered on their own merits) 2. Killing an HAV: a. Pick a relatively isolated spot that the HAV has to pass to get to the infantry b. Throw down a hive c. Equip your favorite AV weapon (swarm or forge) d. Blast them before they have activated hardeners, or when the hardeners have just deactivated Easy peasy. What will be your legacy? Will you rise, or will you fall?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6040	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:48:00 - [3] - Quote The best way to deal with HAVs is to use a jihad jeep. They do cost less than protosuits now though, so it's barely worth it. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2971	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:49:00 - [4] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: 1. You listed 2 Pro's, not one (each new weapon should be considered on their own merits) 2. Killing an HAV: a. Pick a relatively isolated spot that the HAV has to pass to get to the infantry b. Throw down a hive c. Equip your favorite AV weapon (swarm or forge) d. Blast them before they have activated hardeners, or when the hardeners have just deactivated Easy peasy. You just forgot: 1-Its map dependant, there are maps where hitting a tank (specially as fast as they are now) twice is impossible 2-i dont have Hives as a FG 3-What about infantry? I cant take tanks down fast enough there by i usually get killed half way through my job. You see? YOUR explanation is pretty precise, but its my fault for not asking the question correctly: 'How am i supposed to take down a tank in a PUB match with unorganized blue dots?'' The tanker does not necesarily NEED to be in a team to use his tank effectivley (this is in the case both sides are only randoms!) but yet i need to be with 2-3 other AVES to take it down? WTH SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2971	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:53:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The best way to deal with HAVs is to use a jihad jeep. They do cost less than protosuits now though, so it's barely worth it. Please explain Gallente Warrior.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Rinas Rylos Rinas' Raiders 73	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:55:00 - [6] - Quote I think I'll add a plus and con of my own to this: Plus: Things don't feel so one-sided anymore. While I'll admit that not being in a major corp has probably affected how I've dealt with pub matches, it feels like even getting my ass kicked still isn't quite as much of a hopeless cause as it did pre-patch. Con: Armor just feels like so much dead weight by this point. It felt useless before, but between CRs and RRs, along with every trigger-happy tank driver rolling around like they own the place, I''m beginning to feel like I might as well not be wearing anything at all for the purposes of keeping myself safe.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 368	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:56:00 - [7] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The best way to deal with HAVs is to use a jihad jeep. They do cost less than protosuits now though, so it's barely worth it. Please explain Gallente Warrior.... Throw some REs on an LAV, or get a friend to do it, and ram the tank...you'll kill it in a blaze of glory.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 445	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:57:00 - [8] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The best way to deal with HAVs is to use a jihad jeep. They do cost less than protosuits now though, so it's barely worth it. Please explain Gallente Warrior.... Remote explosives are now sticky and the new AV weapon of choice 1500 dmg per remote at proto level you can put down 5 at 10k damage with LAV collision. What poster was refering to is loading up an LAV with 5 said remotes and driving it into a tank. But with remotes and av grenades there are alot of strategy combo's to remove tanks.
Tectonic Fusion 699	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:57:00 - [9] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The best way to deal with HAVs is to use a jihad jeep. They do cost less than protosuits now though, so it's barely worth it. Please explain Gallente Warrior.... rigging a LAV with remote explosives and ramming the tank. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1520	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:58:00 - [10] - Quote JIHAD JEEP AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA I tryied it earlier and killed a railtank that was hiding in their redline trolling our tanks. It's extremely satisfying to do "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2972	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:00:00 - [11] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: JIHAD JEEP AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA I tryied it earlier and killed a railtank that was hiding in their redline trolling our tanks. It's extremely satisfying to do Sounds.Fun... :3 SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 262	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:06:00 - [12] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: 1. You listed 2 Pro's, not one (each new weapon should be considered on their own merits) 2. Killing an HAV: a. Pick a relatively isolated spot that the HAV has to pass to get to the infantry b. Throw down a hive c. Equip your favorite AV weapon (swarm or forge) d. Blast them before they have activated hardeners, or when the hardeners have just deactivated Easy peasy. You just forgot: 1-Its map dependant, there are maps where hitting a tank (specially as fast as they are now) twice is impossible 2-i dont have Hives as a FG 3-What about infantry? I cant take tanks down fast enough there by i usually get killed half way through my job. You see? YOUR explanation is pretty precise, but its my fault for not asking the question correctly: 'How am i supposed to take down a tank in a PUB match with unorganized blue dots?'' The tanker does not necesarily NEED to be in a team to use his tank effectivley (this is in the case both sides are only randoms!) but yet i need to be with 2-3 other AVES to take it down? WTH KING CHECKMATE wrote: 'How am i supposed to take down a tank in a PUB match with unorganized blue dots?'' KING CHECKMATE wrote: unorganized blue dots KING CHECKMATE wrote: unorganized twitch In all seriousness, light weapons shouldn't threaten a heavy vehicle save in numbers. The HAV speed, however... That needs to be fixed. Badly.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2972	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:27:00 - [13] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: In all seriousness, light weapons shouldn't threaten a heavy vehicle save in numbers. The HAV speed, however... That needs to be fixed. Badly. TWICH THIS : ( -.- ) ..I.. So i need to be organized to take down an enemy tank? But the enemy tank does not need to be organized to own everything freely? REMEMBER at the end of the day, is 1 player vs 1 player. The fact the tanker can play solo and win effectivley makes tank broken. IN EVERY ASPECT. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1523	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:33:00 - [14] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: In all seriousness, light weapons shouldn't threaten a heavy vehicle save in numbers. The HAV speed, however... That needs to be fixed. Badly. TWICH THIS : ( -.- ) ..I.. I'm still laughing from reading that "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 263	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:34:00 - [15] - Quote KING, how about thus idea. Reduce the raw HP of vehicles, but boost hardener effectiveness so that us vehicles end up with the same ehp we have now while our hardeners are on? This would let us be able to resist your AV while its up, but you can kill us easier once its down.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2975	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:36:00 - [16] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: KING, how about thus idea. Reduce the raw HP of vehicles, but boost hardener effectiveness so that us vehicles end up with the same ehp we have now while our hardeners are on? This would let us be able to resist your AV while its up, but you can kill us easier once its down. No i think They should DOUBLE the HP on tanks, Make them twice as powerful. So everyone can run in tanks, thats hat everybody wanted no? YAY Tank514, World of tanks! BUT WITH INFANTRY to pick on! SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2980	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:39:00 - [17] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: KING, how about thus idea. Reduce the raw HP of vehicles, but boost hardener effectiveness so that us vehicles end up with the same ehp we have now while our hardeners are on? This would let us be able to resist your AV while its up, but you can kill us easier once its down. HArdeners making tanks invencible EVEN with 1HP is not enough, Thanks to the ungodly speed they have, the miserable damage AV weapons deal and thanks to the ridiculously LOW Tank limitation per team. I mean, 16 vs 16 and i see 6+ tanks around per team, WTH? whatever sseriously. im happy for tankers and im making my own tanks as we speak, F it. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Seigfried Warheit 99	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:50:00 - [18] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: 1. You listed 2 Pro's, not one (each new weapon should be considered on their own merits) 2. Killing an HAV: a. Pick a relatively isolated spot that the HAV has to pass to get to the infantry b. Throw down a hive c. Equip your favorite AV weapon (swarm or forge) d. Blast them before they have activated hardeners, or when the hardeners have just deactivated Easy peasy. I doubt they will ignore a volley of swarms or a blue orb flying at you...I have yet to be taken out that way I get hit turn around blast in the face blast the hive...continue my merry way...and Im a noob tanker ....I have been orbital striked many times so far though only some caught my super speedy tank
CAMille DANIELz planetary retaliation organisation 8	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:55:00 - [19] - Quote Much of the argument I'm seeing is that you can no longer solo a tank with infantry. I'm sorry to have to tell you all this - the point of tanks in the first place is the mass suppression of enemy forces. I will admit the base speed needs to be tuned down 10%-15%, but overall this is how it should be. In 1.6 an AV infantry used to two/three-shot a well fit tank all by itself, it should take teamwork for infantry to pull this off. An important role of the tank is to destroy other tanks. Infantry should NEVER be better than tanks at this, they dont even belong on-par. The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2985	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:05:00 - [20] - Quote CAMille DANIELz wrote: Much of the argument I'm seeing is that you can no longer solo a tank with infantry. I'm sorry to have to tell you all this - the point of tanks in the first place is the mass suppression of enemy forces. I will admit the base speed needs to be tuned down 10%-15%, but overall this is how it should be. In 1.6 an AV infantry used to two/three-shot a well fit tank all by itself, it should take teamwork for infantry to pull this off. An important role of the tank is to destroy other tanks. Infantry should NEVER be better than tanks at this, they dont even belong on-par. AGAIN. uff ,im getting tired of the scrubiness. At THE END OF THE DAY IS 1 player VS 1 player. one player should always be able to sucesfully kill the other player with the correct equipment, REGARDLESS of Equipment,SP-ISK invested...the other player has. THIS IS WHAT BALANCE MEANS. >>> BALANCE <<< What we have now is broken ass invincible tanks... And i m glad for it. The only thing taht really bothers me is vehicle drivers thinking they got good over night , and cant realize their vehicles have been buffed way too much,next to AV nerf....Amking them invincible. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ

Demon Buddah NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 81	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:08:00 - [21] - Quote So far the only things I can see that's bad about this update is the tanks. And when I sprint, sometimes my feet cave into the ground... Or that's how it feels. Can be going at a dead spring then all the sudden I'm so slow I might as well not even run. Other than that I like this update P.S We need scout love!!!!!!!!! :(
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1527	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:28:00 - [22] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: KING, how about thus idea. Reduce the raw HP of vehicles, but boost hardener effectiveness so that us vehicles end up with the same ehp we have now while our hardeners are on? This would let us be able to resist your AV while its up, but you can kill us easier once its down. HArdeners making tanks invencible EVEN with 1HP is not enough, Thanks to the ungodly speed they have, the miserable damage AV weapons deal and thanks to the ridiculously LOW Tank limitation per team. I mean, 16 vs 16 and i see 6+ tanks around per team, WTH? whatever sseriously. im happy for tankers and im making my own tanks as we speak, F it. the speed is a glitch with the militia nitrous mod, as for the base speed it will surely be adjusted. "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1996	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:29:00 - [23] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: GÖª one thing : it seems that latency is off the hook. I've had a lot of Laggy games. Like serious lag.I dont even want to know how PC is doing... You're right, you don't... When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1409	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:37:00 - [24] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: CAMille DANIELz wrote: Much of the argument I'm seeing is that you can no longer solo a tank with infantry. I'm sorry to have to tell you all this - the point of tanks in the first place is the mass suppression of enemy forces. I will admit the base speed needs to be tuned down 10%-15%, but overall this is how it should be. In 1.6 an AV infantry used to two/three-shot a well fit tank all by itself, it should take teamwork for infantry to pull this off. An important role of the tank is to destroy other tanks. Infantry should NEVER be better than tanks at this, they dont even belong on-par. AGAIN. uff ,im getting tired of the scrubiness. At THE END OF THE DAY IS 1 player VS 1 player. one player should always be able to sucesfully kill the other player with the correct equipment, REGARDLESS of Equipment,SP-ISK invested...the other player has. THIS IS WHAT BALANCE MEANS. >>> BALANCE <<< What we have now is broken ass invincible tanks... And i m glad for it. The only thing taht really bothers me is vehicle drivers thinking they got good over night , and cant realize their vehicles have been buffed way too much,next to AV nerf....Amking them invincible. I have hylighted the shakyes part of your argument as by this logic mlt av should be able to solo pro havs when they arrive wow Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2987	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:50:00 - [25] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: I have hylighted the shakyes part of your argument as by this logic mlt av should be able to solo pro havs when they arrive wow Well, MLT weapons DO ; do in Proto suits in the correct hands. It is doable.... So yeah. If the player is skilled,a MLT AVers should be able to take down a tank. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1424	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:53:00 - [26] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: pegasis prime wrote: I have hylighted the shakyes part of your argument as by this logic mlt av should be able to solo pro havs when they arrive wow Well, MLT weapons DO ; do in Proto suits in the correct hands. It is doable.... So yeah. If the player is skilled,a MLT AVers should be able to take down a tank. I've killed gunnlogi with a militia swarm in the past, and militia forge gun... with maxed skills. and damage mods.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2004	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:55:00 - [27] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: pegasis prime wrote: I have hylighted the shakyes part of your argument as by this logic mlt av should be able to solo pro havs when they arrive wow Well, MLT weapons DO ; do in Proto suits in the correct hands. It is doable.... So yeah. If the player is skilled,a MLT AVers should be able to take down a tank. I've killed gunnlogi with a militia swarm in the past, and militia forge gun... with maxed skills. and damage mods. And in the past. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2988	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:00:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: pegasis prime wrote: I have hylighted the shakyes part of your argument as by this logic mlt av should be able to solo pro havs when they arrive wow Well, MLT weapons DO ; do in Proto suits in the correct hands. It is doable.... So yeah. If the player is skilled,a MLT AVers should be able to take down a tank. I've killed gunnlogi with a militia swarm in the past, and militia forge gun... with maxed skills. and damage mods. Nice! Go out and try to do it again. see how it goes.... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1424	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:04:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nice! Go out and try to do it again. see how it goes.... will be testing soonish. The nitro thing will likely annoy the kitten outta me, but the rest... I have a funny feeling timing is everything now. Kinda like hunting marauders in Chromo
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3015	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:05:00 - [30] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nice! Go out and try to do it again. see how it goes.... will be testing soonish. The nitro thing will likely annoy the kitten outta me, but the rest... I have a funny feeling timing is everything now. Kinda like hunting marauders in Chromo No,its not timing. Its MAP + TEAM. You wont do S* if you have every single infantry men behind you. You wont do S* in maps like line harvets OR Ashland where they can just hide because they have cover every 5 mts. AND EVEN if you do however have a good AV game killingm,say, 3 tanks!? You wont say a word of the other 15 games where you are going to get buttplugged in.... so it wont make a difference what you come and say here in the forums. So save your time. SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ



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