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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:40:00 -
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I have 1 good thing and 1 BAD thing i want to point my finger on.
PLUS: Thanks to Combat and Rail rifles;Nubs have left alone my SCR rifle and i actually dont see them with it anymore. TY. Now i can proudly weild my SCR ....
Now everyone thinks they are g*damned awesome with a Gal Logi and a Assault Combar rifle. Rofl....
CON: Can someone PLEASE explain me how im supposed to kill a tank?
Just saying: I got in a match and the enemy threw out like 4+ tanks , and i was with the Breach FG and coulnt drop a single one of them.....They are EVEN FASTER than before, FG's deal LESS damage than before...After the 1st shot they are either GONE or at Full HP again....WTH...?
So in order to not stress myself out i've decided to only IGNORE them, since i know i just cant kill them.
Overall the patch feels good:
GÖª TTK is still low as hell, meaning HP difference is barely noticable. Im running a 500 HP Amarr with SCR and i kill and get killed as always.Still fun.
GÖª one thing : it seems that latency is off the hook. I've had a lot of Laggy games. Like serious lag.I dont even want to know how PC is doing...
GÖª the volcano stuff is epic
GÖª The playebase seems motivated
GÖª The EZ mode version of the new weapons give a chance to the n00bs of New eden. Assault Rail and Combat rifle gives them an EZ mode option to deal with enemies even longer ranges.Paired with heavy Armored dropsuits , even the most n00bish of scrubs has a chance now.
GÖª Somehow one of my favourite weapons, the Breach AR, works marvelously....
What about you?
What do you guys think of 1.7...?
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:49:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:1. You listed 2 Pro's, not one (each new weapon should be considered on their own merits)
2. Killing an HAV:
a. Pick a relatively isolated spot that the HAV has to pass to get to the infantry
b. Throw down a hive
c. Equip your favorite AV weapon (swarm or forge)
d. Blast them before they have activated hardeners, or when the hardeners have just deactivated
Easy peasy.
You just forgot:
1-Its map dependant, there are maps where hitting a tank (specially as fast as they are now) twice is impossible
2-i dont have Hives as a FG
3-What about infantry? I cant take tanks down fast enough there by i usually get killed half way through my job.
You see? YOUR explanation is pretty precise, but its my fault for not asking the question correctly:
'How am i supposed to take down a tank in a PUB match with unorganized blue dots?''
The tanker does not necesarily NEED to be in a team to use his tank effectivley (this is in the case both sides are only randoms!) but yet i need to be with 2-3 other AVES to take it down? WTH
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:53:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:The best way to deal with HAVs is to use a jihad jeep.
They do cost less than protosuits now though, so it's barely worth it.
Please explain Gallente Warrior....
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:00:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:JIHAD JEEP AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA
I tryied it earlier and killed a railtank that was hiding in their redline trolling our tanks. It's extremely satisfying to do
Sounds.Fun... :3
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:27:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:
In all seriousness, light weapons shouldn't threaten a heavy vehicle save in numbers. The HAV speed, however... That needs to be fixed. Badly.
TWICH THIS : ( -.- ) ..I..
So i need to be organized to take down an enemy tank?
But the enemy tank does not need to be organized to own everything freely?
REMEMBER at the end of the day, is 1 player vs 1 player.
The fact the tanker can play solo and win effectivley makes tank broken.
IN EVERY ASPECT.
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:36:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:KING, how about thus idea. Reduce the raw HP of vehicles, but boost hardener effectiveness so that us vehicles end up with the same ehp we have now while our hardeners are on? This would let us be able to resist your AV while its up, but you can kill us easier once its down.
No i think They should DOUBLE the HP on tanks, Make them twice as powerful.
So everyone can run in tanks, thats hat everybody wanted no?
YAY Tank514, World of tanks!
BUT WITH INFANTRY to pick on!
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:39:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:KING, how about thus idea. Reduce the raw HP of vehicles, but boost hardener effectiveness so that us vehicles end up with the same ehp we have now while our hardeners are on? This would let us be able to resist your AV while its up, but you can kill us easier once its down.
HArdeners making tanks invencible EVEN with 1HP is not enough, Thanks to the ungodly speed they have, the miserable damage AV weapons deal and thanks to the ridiculously LOW Tank limitation per team.
I mean, 16 vs 16 and i see 6+ tanks around per team, WTH? whatever sseriously. im happy for tankers and im making my own tanks as we speak, F it.
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:05:00 -
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CAMille DANIELz wrote:Much of the argument I'm seeing is that you can no longer solo a tank with infantry. I'm sorry to have to tell you all this - the point of tanks in the first place is the mass suppression of enemy forces. I will admit the base speed needs to be tuned down 10%-15%, but overall this is how it should be.
In 1.6 an AV infantry used to two/three-shot a well fit tank all by itself, it should take teamwork for infantry to pull this off. An important role of the tank is to destroy other tanks. Infantry should NEVER be better than tanks at this, they dont even belong on-par.
AGAIN.
uff ,im getting tired of the scrubiness.
At THE END OF THE DAY IS 1 player VS 1 player.
one player should always be able to sucesfully kill the other player with the correct equipment, REGARDLESS of Equipment,SP-ISK invested...the other player has.
THIS IS WHAT BALANCE MEANS.
>>> BALANCE <<<
What we have now is broken ass invincible tanks... And i m glad for it.
The only thing taht really bothers me is vehicle drivers thinking they got good over night , and cant realize their vehicles have been buffed way too much,next to AV nerf....Amking them invincible.
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:50:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:
I have hylighted the shakyes part of your argument as by this logic mlt av should be able to solo pro havs when they arrive wow
Well, MLT weapons DO ; do in Proto suits in the correct hands. It is doable....
So yeah. If the player is skilled,a MLT AVers should be able to take down a tank.
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 02:00:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:pegasis prime wrote:
I have hylighted the shakyes part of your argument as by this logic mlt av should be able to solo pro havs when they arrive wow
Well, MLT weapons DO ; do in Proto suits in the correct hands. It is doable....
So yeah. If the player is skilled,a MLT AVers should be able to take down a tank. I've killed gunnlogi with a militia swarm in the past, and militia forge gun... with maxed skills. and damage mods.
Nice!
Go out and try to do it again.
see how it goes....
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 04:05:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Nice!
Go out and try to do it again.
see how it goes....
will be testing soonish. The nitro thing will likely annoy the kitten outta me, but the rest... I have a funny feeling timing is everything now. Kinda like hunting marauders in Chromo
No,its not timing.
Its MAP + TEAM.
You wont do S*** if you have every single infantry men behind you.
You wont do S*** in maps like line harvets OR Ashland where they can just hide because they have cover every 5 mts.
AND EVEN if you do however have a good AV game killingm,say, 3 tanks!?
You wont say a word of the other 15 games where you are going to get buttplugged in....
so it wont make a difference what you come and say here in the forums.
So save your time.
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 04:28:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:took me about a month to get the hang of killing vehicles in each major mechanics revamp. I expect this one to be no different.
It's not like I expect to go ISK positive running AV
i DO expect to **** some tankers off, sooner or later.
GL then. heh....
On the plus side. Each time AV and Tank discussion comes up i get a Sh***tload of likes. Im already at Lv3 F.W.....
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:15:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:King, these people either incapable of grasping that tenuous thing:. Logic.
They think balance is having a character or play style that deserves to never die against another player. They believe in a game that has specific mechanisms beyond the normal shooter to punish deaths, that they should always survive.
Unless they are hilariously out matched in terms of teamwork.. Where they require none.
Either you guys are really trying to save face, because you know you are noobs without such a stacked advantage. OR you really just are that stupid. I was hoping for the former but throughout these posts I've realized that the majority of overly vocal HAV pilots on here fall under the second category.
well....pretty much.
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:43:00 -
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Garth Mandra wrote:I have had a little bit of success with killing tanks.
Walking up to them and dumping REs on their exhaust port works if they don't have a scanner on.
Driving up to them with a LAV (extra points for crashing it in to the tank) and then unloading 3 proto grenades and swarm volleys will usually kill a tank.
You HAVE to wait until their hardeners are off before shooting at them though.
The problem with this is that it only works with proto AV. I feel really sorry for those without proto AV. There is literally nothing they can do on their own.
If it wasn't for the proto requirement I'd say that tanks are getting close to where they should be. Apart from the typo with the militia nitro which gives 100% boost of course.
Having to use PROTO equipment to drop MILITIA vehicles is Stupid and nonesense.
Not to mention that now a MLT tanks are Cheaper than Proto Dropsuits , and are 100x better in terms of killing power.
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