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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:28:00 -
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Psycho Sangers wrote:CCP Have removed all vehicle BPO's. I expect they will do the same when they respec another part of the game. I DON'T want AURUM I Want my BPO. MONEY MONEY MONEY. CORPRATE GREED RANT RANT RANT.
Ok I said it but that is not Cricket.
This is obviously a troll post. This can be scientifically proven.
1. Not all vehicle BPOs are being removed. Only four of them.
2. You paid AUR for those four militia BPO, not cash. You paid cash for AUR according to Sony's transaction records. You got AUR refunded to you by CCP. No problem here.
3. What evidence do you have besides assumptions that CCP will remove more BPOs from your inventory?
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:30:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Anything you bought with AURUM is fair game. Anything out of the PSN packs is not.
One, you used real money to get AURUM to get those BPO's.
The other, you paid real money for the pack, and the BPO's came with them.
The four specific militia BPOs that are being removed from inventory were NEVER made available in any merc pack. They were only available via the in-game Dust market and purchasable only with AUR, not cash.
Now, if CCP were to remove something the 'Toxin' SMG, then that will be a different story.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:35:00 -
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Jack Vanus wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Out of all the good BPOs that remain in the game he complains about four modules that were removed from the game so the blueprints were too. We just went though all this weeks ago. Where were you back then or is this a second round of whining? Not all of us have nothing better to do than to read the forums all day long. I have invested real money here and expect to get my BPOs either returned (and functioning) or I expect to be able to pick other BPO modules of my choice which are of comparative or better value. This sounds dangerously like a game creep effect where CCP will round robin the changes to modules to eliminate BPOs from those of us who took a risk and invested into this game as early adopters.
You need to use the SEARCH function of the forums. You had an entire month to at least spend 1 measly hour of your life to read a few threads that already covered this.
But I'll be nice though. I'll show you a link to one such thread that explains it nicely.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122605&find=unread
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:38:00 -
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Despite what you think or feel, you got back the AUR.
Again, you can't get any refund from Sony because Sony doesn't do refunds. Only store credit. And on top of that, Sony doesn't care what you intended to do with the AUR. To Sony, you spent money for AUR, not the four specific BPOs we are talking about here.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:41:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Psycho Sangers wrote:CCP Have removed all vehicle BPO's. I expect they will do the same when they respec another part of the game. I DON'T want AURUM I Want my BPO. MONEY MONEY MONEY. CORPRATE GREED RANT RANT RANT.
Ok I said it but that is not Cricket. WHAT BPO's were removed? last time i checked i still had mine....
Source:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122274&find=unread
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CCP Frame wrote:
In regards to BPOs: we are removing and refunding a few specific AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore. We have no plans for the immediate future to touch other blueprints.
[...]
4800 AUR Militia 180mm Reinforced Steel Plates Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Regenerator Blueprint
4800 AUR Militia Shield Resistance Amplifier
4800 AUR Militia Power Diagnostic System Blueprint
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.12 06:03:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Anything you bought with AURUM is fair game. Anything out of the PSN packs is not.
One, you used real money to get AURUM to get those BPO's.
The other, you paid real money for the pack, and the BPO's came with them. The four specific militia BPOs that are being removed from inventory were NEVER made available in any merc pack. They were only available via the in-game Dust market and purchasable only with AUR, not cash. Now, if CCP were to remove something the 'Toxin' SMG, then that will be a different story. That was his point. Removing the BPOs we got with Aurum is fair game, because we didn't pay CCP for the BPOs, we paid them for the Aurum. That being said, I'm pretty sure I'm missing BPOs for items that still exist in the market. Most notably, the Heavy Shield Extender (I never did figure out why they only have Heavy and not Light as BPOs). Also, BPOs were always the main use I had for AUR, and nothing else really appeals to me except for purposes of trying out new weapons that don't have MLT versions when I don't want to invest SP until I know I want it. If there are no BPOs on the market, that significantly reduces my incentive to buy Aurum in future.
This is why I proposed earlier for CCP to introduce vanity items for AUR. That way, if you don't like boosters or the regular AUR consumables like the 'Neo' suits, then you would still have the option to pimp out your merc quarters.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.12 06:06:00 -
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Just to be clear, the four specific BPOs being removed were only available via the in-game market for AUR only, not cash. They were never available at all in the merc packs.
However, certain OTHER BPOs such as the 'Toxin' Assault Rifle BPO (just an example) were made available via merc packs only. If CCP were to remove those from your inventory, THEN you have a case against them because cash was directly used to purchase that BPO.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.12 06:13:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:The problem though is CCP markets that we need to get BPOs before they are taken off the market. That advertising makes us purchase AUR.. Then the items are removed we do not have like items we can purchase again. So any customer would be pissed in this situation.
This isn't the first time the marketing department had done something like this.. They market the contacts grenades the week before having them reduced from 3 to 1 grenade. Then they refuse the refund any of the AUR you just spent. Troll post or no, This is a horrible way to treat your customers.
Those contact grenades were clearly game breaking. Even players who bought them were claiming that they should be nerfed because it practically just threatened to ruin the game experience for everyone else. CCP had to nerf them.
Besides, everyone accepted the EULA that states CCP is allowed to adjust anything in the game for exactly this reason.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:20:00 -
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Technically the AUR is not worthless. You can still buy boosters and consumables with it to save up on ISK.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:31:00 -
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Herman Hardon wrote:Django Quik wrote:Herman Hardon wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:The problem though is CCP markets that we need to get BPOs before they are taken off the market. That advertising makes us purchase AUR.. Then the items are removed we do not have like items we can purchase again. So any customer would be pissed in this situation.
This isn't the first time the marketing department had done something like this.. They market the contacts grenades the week before having them reduced from 3 to 1 grenade. Then they refuse the refund any of the AUR you just spent. Troll post or no, This is a horrible way to treat your customers.
Ya man i got scammed good on that one. Bought a ton to sell later and they reduced the quantity which inturn reduced the value of what I thought I bought. All ccp and the ppl on forms did was spout out the eula terms and conditions BS. They are covered from top to bottom and can change whatever they wish! Cause even tho u bought it u dont own it. Shisters. Stocking up on anything with a view to selling it on in the future is entirely a risk on your part and it didn't pay off. If I buy stocks in gold and a year later the price of gold plummets, I lose money and there's nothing I can complain about because I chose to invest. Anyone could have seen how OP contact nades were and easily predicted that they would be nerfed somehow, so investing in something at it's obvious peak was a terrible idea bound to never pay off. As for being scammed by being encouraged to buy BPOs before they got removed - I bet you bought more than just those 4 BPOs and I bet you've used at least some of them and maybe even used those 4 BPOs before they disappeared too. So you didn't only buy aurum for the 4 BPOs that were removed and that aurum was never useless then or now. Also consider that though there may be nothing you want to spend aurum on currently, there will most certainly be more aurum only content in the future that you will want, whether it's skillback boosters, paint buckets or merc quarter decor. So if they put KRINs on the market and it said u have a 60 round clip and u bought a bunch cause ya liked that weapon and didnt know how long they would be on the market for so ya stock up. A week later cause all the qq ing they turn ur clip into 20 rounds , thats OKAY with you? I highly doubt it .
Believe it or not, many in the New Eden community would see that as ok because of what you said: the item is game breaking and could hurt the overall enjoyment of the game. The contact grenades were prime examples. The goal of CCP was to avoid pay-to-win scenarios anyways.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.13 08:33:00 -
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Zimander wrote:Psycho Sangers wrote:CCP Have removed all vehicle BPO's. I expect they will do the same when they respec another part of the game. I DON'T want AURUM I Want my BPO. MONEY MONEY MONEY. CORPRATE GREED RANT RANT RANT.
Ok I said it but that is not Cricket. TAKE A CHILL PILS MAN CCP just took 3 BPO from vehicles nothing more
Four specific militia vehicle module BPOs to be exact. But still..
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:08:00 -
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NomaDz 2K wrote:Psycho Sangers wrote:CCP Have removed all vehicle BPO's. I expect they will do the same when they respec another part of the game. I DON'T want AURUM I Want my BPO. MONEY MONEY MONEY. CORPRATE GREED RANT RANT RANT.
Ok I said it but that is not Cricket. Yep they FORCED THEIR "Refund", the "Refund" on CCP's behalf was not based upon a mutual agreement between the client (you) and them (CCP). Allow me to put it this way in a very simple term:
You purchase a Shirt from a store, for personal reasons you wish a Refund. Now you usually have 3 Options:
1. Full Cash Refund - AUR was purchase with Real Money.
2. An Exchange, Give the item back for ANOTHER Item of similar value, 4x vehicle BPOs = 4800 AUR x 4 = 19200 AUR, BPOs on the Market place in Uprising were going for around 12000 - 19800 AURUM. Why not allow us to have another BPO like a Dropsuit or Weapons as a FAIR exchange based upon a Mutual Agreement CCP 
3. A Voucher for use in store, therefore AUR in the case of CCP even this in any store would have to be based upon a Mutual agreement.I even opened a Ticket to CCP since the 20th of November and they still haven't resolved this problem. If it isn't resolved I will no longer FUND/SUPPORT them and their ways of doing business. They appear to have a lack in Customer Services as in Customer Care.
Can you please put that into better context? I don't understand what you're saying.
As far as I understand it after carefully analyzing the game, Sony, PSN, and the AUR items, I came to this conclusion:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122605&find=unread
Now keep in mind that according to Sony's transaction records, you purchased AUR with real money. Sony doesn't, and never will, care about what you intend to do with that AUR. You then used that AUR to purchase the shirt. The store takes away your shirt but refunds you the AUR you paid it with so you can use it for something else. Since AUR was never taken from you, Sony won't give you a cash refund. In fact, Sony doesn't do cash refunds but rather PSN Store Credit.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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