DUST Search - Respec

Cardio Therapy wrote:

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

Cardio Therapy wrote:

Many MMORPG games have respec items that can be both from the market for real money like AUR.

Do you think that it will be a good idea to have something like that in Dust 514?

For example 2 items cost different amount of AUR: 20 000 for full respec and 5 000 to respec one skill tree like weapons, armors, armor upgrades etc.

Like this sometime when I decide that I made bad choices I can respec and start over. I keep the same skill points that I already made myself.
Especially with the new updates that are changing a lot of staff in the game it will be good.

What is your opinion guys?

No, just no. The difference between Dust and other MMORPGs is, that in Dust you get unlimited Skillpoints. You can spec everything. Made a mistake? No problem. Wait a week or two and spec what you originally wanted to.

Reasonable point. I do agree. But just with this big changes some people want to fully respec and not to wait a month or so to make a new good build.

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Cardio Therapy DVC 514 1	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:34:00 - [1] - Quote Many MMORPG games have respec items that can be both from the market for real money like AUR. Do you think that it will be a good idea to have something like that in Dust 514? For example 2 items cost different amount of AUR: 20 000 for full respec and 5 000 to respec one skill tree like weapons, armors, armor upgrades etc. Like this sometime when I decide that I made bad choices I can respec and start over. I keep the same skill points that I already made myself. Especially with the new updates that are changing a lot of staff in the game it will be good. What is your opinion guys?
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 479	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:49:00 - [2] - Quote Just wait. Many in the community, like myself, think that once all the race suits are available and the skill tree gets reworked we will see a respec offered. I would also add that the subject of your post has been reviewed many times in the past, just search for it and you find a huge number of arguments for and against such a move... and alot of HTFU. Not my words, but the design of New Eden, though it is of little benefit in a discussion.
TheSprayNPray2 Fatal Absolution 248	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:50:00 - [3] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Just wait. Many in the community, like myself, think that once all the race suits are available and the skill tree gets reworked we will see a respec offered. I would also add that the subject of your post has been reviewed many times in the past, just search for it and you find a huge number of arguments for and against such a move... and alot of HTFU. Not my words, but the design of New Eden, though it is of little benefit in a discussion. so what you are saying is wait a year than try again?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 809	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:56:00 - [4] - Quote not to be offensive, but this has been discussed many times in the past. even the CPM tried to talk to CCP about it, and how profitable it could be for them. as for my opinion, i agree. sure it could lead to more FoTM, but those people who would go FoTM every time would be the ones supporting CCP, not the free to play crybabies QQing about FoTM. as far as i know, CCP doesn't get money from the free to play players, so if they are paying to go FoTM, then by all means, let them, in a way, that could in turn allow CCP to put more money into designing the game. plus it would help those of us who made mistakes in the past, or are just bored with what we have now, and CCP gets money too! everyone is happy! Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 491	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:15:00 - [5] - Quote TheSprayNPray2 wrote: RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Just wait. Many in the community, like myself, think that once all the race suits are available and the skill tree gets reworked we will see a respec offered. I would also add that the subject of your post has been reviewed many times in the past, just search for it and you find a huge number of arguments for and against such a move... and alot of HTFU. Not my words, but the design of New Eden, though it is of little benefit in a discussion. so what you are saying is wait a year than try again? Hopefully not that long. But yes, I am asking people to wait until a certain content threshold has been reached and more balance has been brought to the game. A respec right now would skew data as many would jump to the FoTM and little data for balancing would be given to CCP for all item usage. Jumping to the FoTM will likely increase the nerf bat for each item because the jump might be interpreted as to great an advantage. Once there is an even keeled game to support I'm all for some sort of pay system or time system for respecing. However, that must follow a free respec once that balance has been reached and CCP can finally lean back and take a breath knowing that they have finally done what was needed. New content will always be coming, and that is no respec entitlement, but all the changes that have been made and that will continue to be made until we reach that balanced state of a decent, competitive and comparable to other shooters game.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1224	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:18:00 - [6] - Quote Do we really need ANOTHER one of these threads? ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Yelhsa Jin-Mao PROTO RETRIBUTION 214	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:36:00 - [7] - Quote Respec NOW!!! I can has ISK
CrotchGrab 360 Caldari State 554	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:45:00 - [8] - Quote if we had a respec this is what would happen everybody would spec into tanks then tanks would get nerfed then people would cry for another respec You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1265	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:53:00 - [9] - Quote Cardio Therapy wrote: Many MMORPG games have respec items that can be both from the market for real money like AUR. Do you think that it will be a good idea to have something like that in Dust 514? For example 2 items cost different amount of AUR: 20 000 for full respec and 5 000 to respec one skill tree like weapons, armors, armor upgrades etc. Like this sometime when I decide that I made bad choices I can respec and start over. I keep the same skill points that I already made myself. Especially with the new updates that are changing a lot of staff in the game it will be good. What is your opinion guys? No, just no. The difference between Dust and other MMORPGs is, that in Dust you get unlimited Skillpoints. You can spec everything. Made a mistake? No problem. Wait a week or two and spec what you originally wanted to.
Cosgar ParagonX 8735	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:03:00 - [10] - Quote Other games have a limited increment of character customization. You have an unlimited lifetime cap in Dust. Aside from massive overhauls like Uprising and vehicles in 1.7, we shouldn't be getting full respecs without having to give something up. So, if you want a full respec, you should have to give up 25% of your lifetime SP. AUR, ISK or otherwise. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 211	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:31:00 - [11] - Quote I was going to link a bunch of the previous discussions, but if the op was to lazy to search for them, I will follow suit. Bottom line is respecs work cross purpose to the underlying philosophy CCP has built up with New Eden. Do not expect to ever see them purchasable for AUR. It just won't happen. Don't expect respecs when more racial variants of things come out either. We got two new rifles in 1.7 finishing the assault rifle line of weapons. There were no respecs, nor did people need them. There were MANY proto RR / CR on day one. The only time in the near ish future you might see a respec of the infantry trees is when CCP realizes the dropsuit tier system is bad for the game and does a complete rework of the infantry dropsuits. tldr - no EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1087	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:32:00 - [12] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Do we really need ANOTHER one of these threads? Yes we do. Anything less than three (3) threads about respecs per day is unreasonable. /sarcasm Cosgar wrote: Other games have a limited increment of character customization. You have an unlimited lifetime cap in Dust. Aside from massive overhauls like Uprising and vehicles in 1.7, we shouldn't be getting full respecs without having to give something up. So, if you want a full respec, you should have to give up 25% of your lifetime SP. AUR, ISK or otherwise. I fear that respec penalties will not so much limit respeccing as they will just make people collect barely enough SP to get their desired fit+25% and from that point on just respec to the current hot fit in regular intervals instead of accumulating lifetime SP. We'd be looking at not even two months between respecs for most infantry roles and maybe three and a half months for pilots(unboosted!). That's still three to four times faster than legitimately collecting the SP so that getting large pools of SP is quite simply inferior to semi-regular respecs. That's somewhat counter the intention of the skill system and gives players strong incentives towards FOTM jumping. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
BL4CKST4R warravens League of Infamy 1362	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:37:00 - [13] - Quote The reason why many of us want a respec is because this game is so volatile and grind intensive that even a small change can destroy the entire dynamic of your gameplay. Every update since May has always led to me changing my style of gameplay, and after a while it becomes frustrating.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3217	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:39:00 - [14] - Quote Cardio Therapy wrote: Many MMORPG games have respec items that can be both from the market for real money like AUR. Do you think that it will be a good idea to have something like that in Dust 514? For example 2 items cost different amount of AUR: 20 000 for full respec and 5 000 to respec one skill tree like weapons, armors, armor upgrades etc. Like this sometime when I decide that I made bad choices I can respec and start over. I keep the same skill points that I already made myself. Especially with the new updates that are changing a lot of staff in the game it will be good. What is your opinion guys? +1. Need ...moar.....SP...tanks.....call meeee.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 211	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:43:00 - [15] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The reason why many of us want a respec is because this game is so volatile and grind intensive that even a small change can destroy the entire dynamic of your gameplay. Every update since May has always led to me changing my style of gameplay, and after a while it becomes frustrating. Think of it as becoming a better warrior. Every new fit, new tactic you try is another weapon in your arsenal. One of the mantras you will hear often in New Eden is 'adapt or die'. Its more than just a saying, its how this universe was designed. Besides, you never know what roles you might find enjoyable. Some of the fondest memories i have in DUST were when I was playing secondary roles. EVE - Victor Maximus DUST - Azri Sarum
DeadlyAztec11 2787	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:44:00 - [16] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: not to be offensive, but this has been discussed many times in the past. even the CPM tried to talk to CCP about it, and how profitable it could be for them. as for my opinion, i agree. sure it could lead to more FoTM, but those people who would go FoTM every time would be the ones supporting CCP, not the free to play crybabies QQing about FoTM. as far as i know, CCP doesn't get money from the free to play players, so if they are paying to go FoTM, then by all means, let them, in a way, that could in turn allow CCP to put more money into designing the game. plus it would help those of us who made mistakes in the past, or are just bored with what we have now, and CCP gets money too! everyone is happy! If this game goes full P2W then NO ONE will want to touch it with a 40 foot tall pole. I guarantee it. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1087	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:48:00 - [17] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The reason why many of us want a respec is because this game is so volatile and grind intensive that even a small change can destroy the entire dynamic of your gameplay. Every update since May has always led to me changing my style of gameplay, and after a while it becomes frustrating. The problem is that, by that logic, you don't need a respec but regular ones. Nothing short of a respec for every balancing change/patch can be justifiable under this notion. What's the point of having the tree then in the first place? Balance will happen. Someone gets the stick, someone wins the lottery. And with every iterative patch the ups and downs will grow less severe as we reach a point where the word "tweaking" does actually apply to CCPs balancing efforts. Branch out, save up, focus on core skills; many players already use these methods to limit or even negate the negative impact rebalancing might have on their fits. It's not like running PRO vs. ADV+good core makes that much of a difference with current TTK anyway. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1088	Posted - 2013.12.16 01:02:00 - [18] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: not to be offensive, but this has been discussed many times in the past. even the CPM tried to talk to CCP about it, and how profitable it could be for them. as for my opinion, i agree. sure it could lead to more FoTM, but those people who would go FoTM every time would be the ones supporting CCP, not the free to play crybabies QQing about FoTM. as far as i know, CCP doesn't get money from the free to play players, so if they are paying to go FoTM, then by all means, let them, in a way, that could in turn allow CCP to put more money into designing the game. plus it would help those of us who made mistakes in the past, or are just bored with what we have now, and CCP gets money too! everyone is happy! Sure. Let them pay for respecs that create an environment that makes everyone buy even more respecs to stay ahead of those who buy respecs...until people get fed up with the situation they themselves created and CCP has let happen in the fallacious pursuit for money. Speaking of money. Bought respecs are directly competing for the same cash of the same people who currently spend it on boosters. The exception is that the utility of any single respec (without SP penalties) scales directly with lifetime SP whereas boosters do not. Not only will people stop buying boosters much earlier, they will also need less and less respecs over the months/years for the same benefit which means a net minus in CCPs pockets in the long run. TL;DR: Respecs are bad juju for Dust and will end up reducing CCPs income eventually. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Cardio Therapy DVC 514 4	Posted - 2013.12.16 06:10:00 - [19] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Cardio Therapy wrote: Many MMORPG games have respec items that can be both from the market for real money like AUR. Do you think that it will be a good idea to have something like that in Dust 514? For example 2 items cost different amount of AUR: 20 000 for full respec and 5 000 to respec one skill tree like weapons, armors, armor upgrades etc. Like this sometime when I decide that I made bad choices I can respec and start over. I keep the same skill points that I already made myself. Especially with the new updates that are changing a lot of staff in the game it will be good. What is your opinion guys? No, just no. The difference between Dust and other MMORPGs is, that in Dust you get unlimited Skillpoints. You can spec everything. Made a mistake? No problem. Wait a week or two and spec what you originally wanted to. Reasonable point. I do agree. But just with this big changes some people want to fully respec and not to wait a month or so to make a new good build.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1273	Posted - 2013.12.16 06:36:00 - [20] - Quote Cardio Therapy wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Cardio Therapy wrote: Many MMORPG games have respec items that can be both from the market for real money like AUR. Do you think that it will be a good idea to have something like that in Dust 514? For example 2 items cost different amount of AUR: 20 000 for full respec and 5 000 to respec one skill tree like weapons, armors, armor upgrades etc. Like this sometime when I decide that I made bad choices I can respec and start over. I keep the same skill points that I already made myself. Especially with the new updates that are changing a lot of staff in the game it will be good. What is your opinion guys? No, just no. The difference between Dust and other MMORPGs is, that in Dust you get unlimited Skillpoints. You can spec everything. Made a mistake? No problem. Wait a week or two and spec what you originally wanted to. Reasonable point. I do agree. But just with this big changes some people want to fully respec and not to wait a month or so to make a new good build. We know big changes are coming with patches. Just save up for them. I started to save up 2 weeks prior to 1.7 and i was able to spec both new weapons to level 5 on patch day. So if you don't want to wait then look a little bit ahead. This is already more than eve online gets. They can't do this and really need to wait. Also: neither dust nor eve are for the unpatient. If you really think respecs are a must have you might want to reconsider your game choice. That said: scoit changes are incoming. If you're a scout start saving up now. They will probably get some new toys very soon.



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