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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:00:00 -
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its funny, people use proto in pubs becuase theres no other place to really use it, and once ther IS a place and a reason to use it, people decide to grief them for it sending them BACK into the game mode the griefers DIDDNT want them in in the first place.
the whole ima grief you for using proto in pubs while your using proto in FW is a contradiction and a sabatoge of their own efforts.
so its basically just a smokescreen, a way to justify their greefing becuase lets be honest, those who are coming up with this would grief anyways and it has NOTHING to do with protos.
TL:DR stop using protos and pretence and just admit your doing it becuase you can, trying to justify it is rather unnessesary |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:09:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:its funny, people use proto in pubs becuase theres no other place to really use it, and once ther IS a place and a reason to use it, people decide to grief them for it sending them BACK into the game mode the griefers DIDDNT want them in in the first place.
the whole ima grief you for using proto in pubs while your using proto in FW is a contradiction and a sabatoge of their own efforts.
so its basically just a smokescreen, a way to justify their greefing becuase lets be honest, those who are coming up with this would grief anyways and it has NOTHING to do with protos.
TL:DR stop using protos and pretence and just admit your doing it becuase you can, trying to justify it is rather unnessesary PC didn't stop them so FW isn't going to stop them either
pretence, stop it.
PC wasnt the most accecable thing in the world and is dominated by shady tactics and sometimes downright cheating.
a very small group of people activly participate in PC, and a much larger group have acess to proto, math should tell you that there will be people who have no acess to PC, in addition to people who want to play more then 1-4 games in a particular day.
not to mention testing PC fits and strats outside of PC.
theres MANY valid reasons to run proto outside of PC.
now stop with the pretence, its OK if you want to grief people, just stop pretending its for some reason other then you feel like griefing people.
trying to claim some sort of moral high ground is counter productive to being a filthy griefer, embrace the grief and wear it proud, dont cloak yourself in white and call yourself a knight of justice for it though. |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:21:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Karl Marx II wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:its funny, people use proto in pubs becuase theres no other place to really use it, and once ther IS a place and a reason to use it, people decide to grief them for it sending them BACK into the game mode the griefers DIDDNT want them in in the first place.
the whole ima grief you for using proto in pubs while your using proto in FW is a contradiction and a sabatoge of their own efforts.
so its basically just a smokescreen, a way to justify their greefing becuase lets be honest, those who are coming up with this would grief anyways and it has NOTHING to do with protos.
TL:DR stop using protos and pretence and just admit your doing it becuase you can, trying to justify it is rather unnessesary PC didn't stop them so FW isn't going to stop them either pretence, stop it. PC wasnt the most accecable thing in the world and is dominated by shady tactics and sometimes downright cheating. a very small group of people activly participate in PC, and a much larger group have acess to proto, math should tell you that there will be people who have no acess to PC, in addition to people who want to play more then 1-4 games in a particular day. not to mention testing PC fits and strats outside of PC. theres MANY valid reasons to run proto outside of PC. now stop with the pretence, its OK if you want to grief people, just stop pretending its for some reason other then you feel like griefing people. trying to claim some sort of moral high ground is counter productive to being a filthy griefer, embrace the grief and wear it proud, dont cloak yourself in white and call yourself a knight of justice for it though. I don't understand the griefing, but Proto in Hi-Sec is wrong. Keep it in Lo-Sec, that is, PC and FW.
cool story, but PC wasnt ideal. and so expecting no proto in pubs was unreasonable in the first place.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:36:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote: You don't play EVE, do you?
In EVE, there is this thing in Hi-Sec called CONCORD, killed you if you attacked people. (Unless it was a legal war.) We don't have that, as Public matches are Hi-Sec. So, I propose CONCORD making proto in Pubs illegal. You can't use it. Period.
thats funny i was a proud ninja salvager. my job was to grief the **** out of high sec carebears by stealing, and blowing up their ships. theres LOADS of ways to kill people in high sec without concord getting involved that isnt a legal war :P
ive killed and attacked many in high sec without concord intervention, and without first declairing war.
im guessing your a high sec carebear, give me your character name and ill forward it to the tears alliance (if they are still around??) so that you can see exactly what i mean. make sure to take all the shiney **** off your mission boat before hand though :P
not only that but theres no paralell between the two situations, it would be like outlawing T2 in high sec and resticting it to low sec and 0.0
buck up and learn to kill proto suits using basic gear like i do. |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:48:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote: ....I've actually been trying to find a FW corp to take me, I'm a PvPer... or will be when I find one.
You've gotta explain to me how you attacked someone without CONCORD intervention... unless you drew them in with an "easy score", making them a criminal first....
If you wanna know, I'm Luna Pryde. Not afraid of anyone, although I just started....
I read a lot of stuff, never once did I see mention of Hi-Sec letting you attack. I saw that you could defend yourself, though, or attack criminals.
EDIT: I DO kill Proto with my Basic and ADV gear, this is for the newcomers.
theres loads of ways, but yes most of them involve tricking the enemy into marking themselves as a criminal.
it ALL involves careful planning and a good understanding of the aggro mechanics... also you can outrun concord BTW or at least you could at one point in time. |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 07:53:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Luna Angelo wrote: ....I've actually been trying to find a FW corp to take me, I'm a PvPer... or will be when I find one.
You've gotta explain to me how you attacked someone without CONCORD intervention... unless you drew them in with an "easy score", making them a criminal first....
If you wanna know, I'm Luna Pryde. Not afraid of anyone, although I just started....
I read a lot of stuff, never once did I see mention of Hi-Sec letting you attack. I saw that you could defend yourself, though, or attack criminals.
EDIT: I DO kill Proto with my Basic and ADV gear, this is for the newcomers.
theres loads of ways, but yes most of them involve tricking the enemy into marking themselves as a criminal. it ALL involves careful planning and a good understanding of the aggro mechanics... also you can outrun concord BTW or at least you could at one point in time. Never tried ganking, so I don't know.... Still, you gave me something to think about. Perhaps I'll try this... on a cheap ship.
the best results always came from things i diddnt have the ability to do.
but its quite easy to trick people into flagging themselves, just set the right bait or steal from the right people.
if you steal from them and thye shoot at you, your free to shoot them back :P
go ninja salvaging in a quick and small salvage frigate then once they shoot swap ships and go nuke them with your pvp ship :P
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:01:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Luna Angelo wrote: ....I've actually been trying to find a FW corp to take me, I'm a PvPer... or will be when I find one.
You've gotta explain to me how you attacked someone without CONCORD intervention... unless you drew them in with an "easy score", making them a criminal first....
If you wanna know, I'm Luna Pryde. Not afraid of anyone, although I just started....
I read a lot of stuff, never once did I see mention of Hi-Sec letting you attack. I saw that you could defend yourself, though, or attack criminals.
EDIT: I DO kill Proto with my Basic and ADV gear, this is for the newcomers.
theres loads of ways, but yes most of them involve tricking the enemy into marking themselves as a criminal. it ALL involves careful planning and a good understanding of the aggro mechanics... also you can outrun concord BTW or at least you could at one point in time. Never tried ganking, so I don't know.... Still, you gave me something to think about. Perhaps I'll try this... on a cheap ship. the best results always came from things i diddnt have the ability to do. but its quite easy to trick people into flagging themselves, just set the right bait or steal from the right people. if you steal from them and thye shoot at you, your free to shoot them back :P go ninja salvaging in a quick and small salvage frigate then once they shoot swap ships and go nuke them with your pvp ship :P Hey, thanks. I will definitely try this. I always wanted to be a pirate, anyways.
google up some old stuff about ninja salvaging and the tears alliance :P
theres a few blogs from about 2 years ago when it got very popular that give LOADS of informationa nd examples of mechanics abuse to get started doing your shady buisness out in space.
i once pissed off a corp of about 20 or so russians.... they war deced my 4 man corp and before i knew it... that corp grew to about 100 members prepairing to grief the living crap out of some russian carebears.... that war was canceled pretty damn fast. |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:05:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:lol I can't wait for tomorrow now. Or probably Wednesday, I never log on on Patch Day, as I'm sure you know why.
ALWAYS log on for patch day, then report the bugs you find.
it helps. |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:11:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:lol I can't wait for tomorrow now. Or probably Wednesday, I never log on on Patch Day, as I'm sure you know why. ALWAYS log on for patch day, then report the bugs you find. it helps. I crash. Every time. I got Mass Effect 2 to keep me company, though. EDIT: Just realized we went from arguing to talking EVE pirate tactics....
im awesome that way :P
either that or its just another symptom of my insanity.
or both. |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 08:16:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:lol I can't wait for tomorrow now. Or probably Wednesday, I never log on on Patch Day, as I'm sure you know why. ALWAYS log on for patch day, then report the bugs you find. it helps. I crash. Every time. I got Mass Effect 2 to keep me company, though. EDIT: Just realized we went from arguing to talking EVE pirate tactics.... im awesome that way :P either that or its just another symptom of my insanity. or both. Or perhaps it's the fact that you intrigued me with your piratical ways. I'm directly descended from a pirate of the Golden Age. I find them fascinating.
embrace that wonderful heritage :P
i wasnt a true pirate in EvE, wasnt good enough in PvP :P
this game however, i can see myself setting up as a griefer for hire :P |
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