DUST Search - Pre 1.7 AV Tribute: A Video Toast to Tankers

Foundation Seldon wrote:

ratamaq doc wrote:

Foundation Seldon wrote:

I can see why CCP doesn't like BPO's ...

You planning to switch to Forge Guns for 1.7 or are you going to be staying faithful to Swarms?

I'll stick with swarms until it doesn't work. I don't think tanks will be harder to kill if they are engaged correctly.

I totally appreciate that sort of attitude to that situation, it's a bit refreshing in a forum environment of doom and gloom over any tweak to any system. Good on you.

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Well that's the thing, the best way to kill tanks has always been getting up close with AV grenades and then finishing them off with the swarm as they retreat. That tactic is largely unchanged, it's just going to be harder because the damage is lower. If anything the range nerf to swarms is more to buff Dropships and LAVs if anything.

I feel like the Swarm Damage nerf puts them in line with new values for Tanks,
330 a shot vs. 220 a shot represents a nerf of 33% to damage
A Madrugar with 7800 total HP (6600ish armor, 1200 shields) compared with a 2 Hardener 1 Rep Madrugar in 1.7 (I doubt people will be running plates) with 5200 total HP (4000 armor, 1200 shields) represents a nerf of 33% to overall HP. And that's discounting the decidedly less effective reps, the reliance on ammo, and much higher reliance on modules to be effective. Given what we know of Swarmer v. Tank tactics (drive up close, chuck grenades, finish off with swarms) I really don't see how the Range nerf is going to be THAT detrimental to their effectiveness.

Swarmers have no reason to be complaining about the changes to their weapon.

What people aren't realizing in the wake of the Forge changes is that, due to how lightly they were tapped in comparison to the overall changes to vehicles, they're effectively better than they were pre-1.7. It's hilarious that people haven't caught on to this yet.

Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.

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ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 204	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:21:00 - [1] - Quote Here's to the Tank Pilots, May 1.7 be your build. Thanks for all the pretty explosions in Uprising
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 428	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:30:00 - [2] - Quote And people are complaining about a range nerf to swarms... Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 19; Tanks: 4
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 304	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:37:00 - [3] - Quote I can see why CCP doesn't like BPO's ... You planning to switch to Forge Guns for 1.7 or are you going to be staying faithful to Swarms? 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 204	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:37:00 - [4] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: And people are complaining about a range nerf to swarms... Yep, sounds like a lot to cut it in more than half, but most people don't realize how FAR 175 meters is. I'm more concerned about the damage nerf. But we will adapt. I just may have to invite a partner on my Safaris moving forward.
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 204	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:39:00 - [5] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: I can see why CCP doesn't like BPO's ... You planning to switch to Forge Guns for 1.7 or are you going to be staying faithful to Swarms? I'll stick with swarms until it doesn't work. I don't think tanks will be harder to kill if they are engaged correctly.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1187	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:40:00 - [6] - Quote Well that's the thing, the best way to kill tanks has always been getting up close with AV grenades and then finishing them off with the swarm as they retreat. That tactic is largely unchanged, it's just going to be harder because the damage is lower. If anything the range nerf to swarms is more to buff Dropships and LAVs if anything. Honestly the direction they're going seems to be an attempt to make Heavies with forge guns THE AV class, whereas light AV weapons are more of a deterrent and less of a vehicle slaying class, at least for HAVs. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, as it makes heavies have a more distinctive role. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 305	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:57:00 - [7] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: I can see why CCP doesn't like BPO's ... You planning to switch to Forge Guns for 1.7 or are you going to be staying faithful to Swarms? I'll stick with swarms until it doesn't work. I don't think tanks will be harder to kill if they are engaged correctly. I totally appreciate that sort of attitude to that situation, it's a bit refreshing in a forum environment of doom and gloom over any tweak to any system. Good on you. Pokey Dravon wrote: Well that's the thing, the best way to kill tanks has always been getting up close with AV grenades and then finishing them off with the swarm as they retreat. That tactic is largely unchanged, it's just going to be harder because the damage is lower. If anything the range nerf to swarms is more to buff Dropships and LAVs if anything. I feel like the Swarm Damage nerf puts them in line with new values for Tanks, 330 a shot vs. 220 a shot represents a nerf of 33% to damage A Madrugar with 7800 total HP (6600ish armor, 1200 shields) compared with a 2 Hardener 1 Rep Madrugar in 1.7 (I doubt people will be running plates) with 5200 total HP (4000 armor, 1200 shields) represents a nerf of 33% to overall HP. And that's discounting the decidedly less effective reps, the reliance on ammo, and much higher reliance on modules to be effective. Given what we know of Swarmer v. Tank tactics (drive up close, chuck grenades, finish off with swarms) I really don't see how the Range nerf is going to be THAT detrimental to their effectiveness. Swarmers have no reason to be complaining about the changes to their weapon. What people aren't realizing in the wake of the Forge changes is that, due to how lightly they were tapped in comparison to the overall changes to vehicles, they're effectively better than they were pre-1.7. It's hilarious that people haven't caught on to this yet. 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1187	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:59:00 - [8] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: I feel like the Swarm Damage nerf puts them in line with new values for Tanks, 330 a shot vs. 220 a shot represents a nerf of 33% to damage A Madrugar with 7800 total HP (6600ish armor, 1200 shields) compared with a 2 Hardener 1 Rep Madrugar in 1.7 (I doubt people will be running plates) with 5200 total HP (4000 armor, 1200 shields) represents a nerf of 33% to overall HP. And that's discounting the decidedly less effective reps, the reliance on ammo, and much higher reliance on modules to be effective. Given what we know of Swarmer v. Tank tactics (drive up close, chuck grenades, finish off with swarms) I really don't see how the Range nerf is going to be THAT detrimental to their effectiveness. Swarmers have no reason to be complaining about the changes to their weapon. What people aren't realizing in the wake of the Forge changes is that, due to how lightly they were tapped in comparison to the overall changes to vehicles, they're effectively better than they were pre-1.7. It's hilarious that people haven't caught on to this yet. I think this video really puts that 400m range into perspective http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3au9H-NcgSw&list=UUy11xToip47aIW0M9TSOKrQ ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 399	Posted - 2013.12.10 06:48:00 - [9] - Quote nobody else noticed that only 2-3 wernt militia tanks?
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 489	Posted - 2013.12.10 06:49:00 - [10] - Quote Nice video! +1! Please make more :D @Video: Too many MLT tanks and most times spamming AV nades was enough. Still, good job killing those guys. To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1188	Posted - 2013.12.10 07:11:00 - [11] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: nobody else noticed that only 2-3 wernt militia tanks? I did but I wasn't going to throw a fit At the very least I have to give the guy props for having a good attitude about 1.7...tis a rare thing these days. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Asirius Medaius 724	Posted - 2013.12.10 07:35:00 - [12] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: I feel like the Swarm Damage nerf puts them in line with new values for Tanks, 330 a shot vs. 220 a shot represents a nerf of 33% to damage A Madrugar with 7800 total HP (6600ish armor, 1200 shields) compared with a 2 Hardener 1 Rep Madrugar in 1.7 (I doubt people will be running plates) with 5200 total HP (4000 armor, 1200 shields) represents a nerf of 33% to overall HP. And that's discounting the decidedly less effective reps, the reliance on ammo, and much higher reliance on modules to be effective. Given what we know of Swarmer v. Tank tactics (drive up close, chuck grenades, finish off with swarms) I really don't see how the Range nerf is going to be THAT detrimental to their effectiveness. Swarmers have no reason to be complaining about the changes to their weapon. What people aren't realizing in the wake of the Forge changes is that, due to how lightly they were tapped in comparison to the overall changes to vehicles, they're effectively better than they were pre-1.7. It's hilarious that people haven't caught on to this yet. I think this video really puts that 400m range into perspective http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3au9H-NcgSw&list=UUy11xToip47aIW0M9TSOKrQ I loved that video, thanks for the link; I honestly wouldn't mind voting for a man such as Judge Rhadamanthus for CPM, so long as he keeps his current tangent in logic. Signature coming soonGäó. [Level 9 Forum Warrior]
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 988	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:07:00 - [13] - Quote I loved it. It represents a good picture of the community. You have these idiots in their tank that have no clue what they are doing, but think they should be invincible just because they are in a tank. For every good tanker, there are 10 idiots. Destroy those idiots! Come 1.7, the W0LVES will still make tanks our b*tch!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1457	Posted - 2013.12.10 08:55:00 - [14] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: Here's to the Tank Pilots, May 1.7 be your build. Thanks for all the pretty explosions in Uprising Swarms and AV grenades, so hard to use. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1391	Posted - 2013.12.10 09:06:00 - [15] - Quote Its a good vid but I couldent help but notice it was full of soma and sica kills with the odd maddy and gunlogi. Would be much more impressive if you wernt using adv av against mlt havss. Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 207	Posted - 2013.12.10 13:03:00 - [16] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Its a good vid but I couldent help but notice it was full of soma and sica kills with the odd maddy and gunlogi. Would be much more impressive if you wernt using adv av against mlt havss. For the record, the only three kills where I was in proto gear where from one (the same) game. All the others were in either STD or ADV gear. I didn't pick which tanks they chose to call in :) YouTube 30D Recruiting
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11144	Posted - 2013.12.10 13:04:00 - [17] - Quote Too Soon? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Rail and Combat Rifle =// Unlocked
DeadlyAztec11 2676	Posted - 2013.12.10 13:16:00 - [18] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: I can see why CCP doesn't like BPO's ... You planning to switch to Forge Guns for 1.7 or are you going to be staying faithful to Swarms? I'll stick with swarms until it doesn't work. I don't think tanks will be harder to kill if they are engaged correctly. I totally appreciate that sort of attitude to that situation, it's a bit refreshing in a forum environment of doom and gloom over any tweak to any system. Good on you. Pokey Dravon wrote: Well that's the thing, the best way to kill tanks has always been getting up close with AV grenades and then finishing them off with the swarm as they retreat. That tactic is largely unchanged, it's just going to be harder because the damage is lower. If anything the range nerf to swarms is more to buff Dropships and LAVs if anything. I feel like the Swarm Damage nerf puts them in line with new values for Tanks, 330 a shot vs. 220 a shot represents a nerf of 33% to damage A Madrugar with 7800 total HP (6600ish armor, 1200 shields) compared with a 2 Hardener 1 Rep Madrugar in 1.7 (I doubt people will be running plates) with 5200 total HP (4000 armor, 1200 shields) represents a nerf of 33% to overall HP. And that's discounting the decidedly less effective reps, the reliance on ammo, and much higher reliance on modules to be effective. Given what we know of Swarmer v. Tank tactics (drive up close, chuck grenades, finish off with swarms) I really don't see how the Range nerf is going to be THAT detrimental to their effectiveness. Swarmers have no reason to be complaining about the changes to their weapon. What people aren't realizing in the wake of the Forge changes is that, due to how lightly they were tapped in comparison to the overall changes to vehicles, they're effectively better than they were pre-1.7. It's hilarious that people haven't caught on to this yet. I said all along that if tank HP was also nerfed that there would be no issues. I was right. AV is still top dog. All is right with the world. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.


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