DUST Search - Stop blowing the shield extender thing out of proportion.

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

hackerzilla wrote:

The minnie scout is still f*cked even more now...

The penalty for depleted shield recharge delay is hardly screwing over the scout. However, if the scout wasn't so already marginalized and underwhelming due to many other factors besides this new penalty, this penalty wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

Same goes for shields in general.

I'll put it to you this way. If I had a RESPEC tomorrow I'd take shield upgrades to L4 and ignore the rest. That's with 32.5 million SP. I remember Nick being very upset about the state of armor in the past. I can tell you with absolute certainly that armor was never in as bad of a place as shields are right now.

It's a combination of factors contributing to it, but it doesn't change the reality. There are a lot of play styles that are not viable at the moment with the low TTK. The low TTK needs to be addressed by buffing the resistances (SCRs to armor, MDs to shields, etc). Nothing can be balanced if a frontline suit with an AR can cut through 1000 HP in a heartbeat.

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N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1583	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:59:00 - [1] - Quote Hey everyone, hows it going? Anyways, theres no need to blow this thing out of proportion. It only affects the 100% depleted recharge time, so what if it takes more time for them to come back after they're all down. This will make shield players play better in the long run. Reason being is that it runs right up the alley of a hit and run style of play, which good players do extremely well. It also makes shield users play smarter, can't just run in blindly and run out and rinse and repeat. Personally it is a very small nerf, and i expect something to be nerfed about on armour next. Please feel free to leave comments about how stupid i am, or about how armour is way better no need to nerf shields, blah blah blah, i've seen it all. Try leaving some constructive feedback for once guys. Have a great day. Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot. You could say i like heavy things.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2020	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:01:00 - [2] - Quote In other words, it will force assault players to stop acting like this is a COD match and actually think about their actions. I can dig it.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1583	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:05:00 - [3] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: In other words, it will force assault players to stop acting like this is a COD match and actually think about their actions. I can dig it. glad someone agrees. Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot. You could say i like heavy things.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 794	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:07:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah, what does it matter if your shields are completely depleted? You're dead anyway by that time. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4929	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:07:00 - [5] - Quote inb4 droves of CalLogi superior race. Never forget How to fix the Logi
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1583	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:09:00 - [6] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Yeah, what does it matter if your shields are completely depleted? You're dead anyway by that time. thats a valid point. Not true 100% of the time, but at least shield users cant rush right back in. Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot. You could say i like heavy things.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5717	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:10:00 - [7] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=126245&find=unread I'll leave this here for those of you interested in the numbers. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1583	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:12:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=126245&find=unread I'll leave this here for those of you interested in the numbers. thanks you for proving my point +1 for actually doing the work Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot. You could say i like heavy things.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 586	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:13:00 - [9] - Quote The minnie scout is still fcked even more now... Host of Zilla's Games! The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.*
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2218	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:14:00 - [10] - Quote I've said all along it's minimal. It's tiny, but any nerf to HP at this time is ill advised. I would assume that buffing shields would make people more likely to drop plates not the other way around. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1583	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:14:00 - [11] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: The minnie scout is still f*cked even more now... scouts in general need fixing. this isn't a huge deal. Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot. You could say i like heavy things.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1583	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:15:00 - [12] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I've said all along it's minimal. It's tiny, but any nerf to HP at this time is ill advised. I would assume that buffing shields would make people more likely to drop plates not the other way around. it's not a nerf to total hp. It just means that you simply can't stack them without a penalty. Just like armour. Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot. You could say i like heavy things.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 657	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:16:00 - [13] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: The minnie scout is still fcked even more now... The Minnie Suit overall is effed even without the nerf to shields I still think the Minmatar's medium suits can do some heavy damage BUT in all honesty, it needs to have some other things to make it really worth use by a major group of players. Whether it's a natural affinity for agility or whatever. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 508	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:17:00 - [14] - Quote Agree. Once they released the numbers I wasnt bothered that much. I still think they may boost shields before they deal with armor again.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5717	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:18:00 - [15] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: The minnie scout is still f*cked even more now... The penalty for depleted shield recharge delay is hardly screwing over the scout. However, if the scout wasn't so already marginalized and underwhelming due to many other factors besides this new penalty, this penalty wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2218	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:27:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: hackerzilla wrote: The minnie scout is still f*cked even more now... The penalty for depleted shield recharge delay is hardly screwing over the scout. However, if the scout wasn't so already marginalized and underwhelming due to many other factors besides this new penalty, this penalty wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. Same goes for shields in general. I'll put it to you this way. If I had a RESPEC tomorrow I'd take shield upgrades to L4 and ignore the rest. That's with 32.5 million SP. I remember Nick being very upset about the state of armor in the past. I can tell you with absolute certainly that armor was never in as bad of a place as shields are right now. It's a combination of factors contributing to it, but it doesn't change the reality. There are a lot of play styles that are not viable at the moment with the low TTK. The low TTK needs to be addressed by buffing the resistances (SCRs to armor, MDs to shields, etc). Nothing can be balanced if a frontline suit with an AR can cut through 1000 HP in a heartbeat. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2876	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:30:00 - [17] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Hey everyone, hows it going? Anyways, theres no need to blow this thing out of proportion. It only affects the 100% depleted recharge time, so what if it takes more time for them to come back after they're all down. This will make shield players play better in the long run. Reason being is that it runs right up the alley of a hit and run style of play, which good players do extremely well. It also makes shield users play smarter, can't just run in blindly and run out and rinse and repeat. Personally it is a very small nerf, and i expect something to be nerfed about on armour next. Please feel free to leave comments about how stupid i am, or about how armour is way better no need to nerf shields, blah blah blah, i've seen it all. Try leaving some constructive feedback for once guys. Have a great day. What i read: ''DOnt QQ about shields, they are ok and its not that bad'' *Goes back into Dust514 where he PROBABLY owns Gallente Dropsuits with heavy armor tanking.* WELCOME! TO ARMORED MED514 : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565076#post1565076
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5718	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:30:00 - [18] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: hackerzilla wrote: The minnie scout is still f*cked even more now... The penalty for depleted shield recharge delay is hardly screwing over the scout. However, if the scout wasn't so already marginalized and underwhelming due to many other factors besides this new penalty, this penalty wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. Same goes for shields in general. I'll put it to you this way. If I had a RESPEC tomorrow I'd take shield upgrades to L4 and ignore the rest. That's with 32.5 million SP. I remember Nick being very upset about the state of armor in the past. I can tell you with absolute certainly that armor was never in as bad of a place as shields are right now. It's a combination of factors contributing to it, but it doesn't change the reality. There are a lot of play styles that are not viable at the moment with the low TTK. The low TTK needs to be addressed by buffing the resistances (SCRs to armor, MDs to shields, etc). Nothing can be balanced if a frontline suit with an AR can cut through 1000 HP in a heartbeat. The TTK does need to be looked into. Whether directly or indirectly. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 309	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:30:00 - [19] - Quote I am a mimitar so i get the best of both worlds. but honestly people are not gonna feel that recharge delay. i have a 20% shield regulator and still cannot tell the difference with it on or off. Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1071	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:30:00 - [20] - Quote In other words i want my respec !!! #1 Scrambler Rifle VETERAN SINCE 514 Sick and tired of babysitting dust noobs !!!!!

N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1588	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:33:00 - [21] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: In other words i want my respec !!! my vehicle sp back is gonna be nice sense i'm not putting it into vehicles anymore Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot. You could say i like heavy things.
Toby Flenderson research lab 138	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:53:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: In other words, it will force assault players to stop acting like this is a COD match and actually think about their actions. I can dig it. I don't understand what you're getting at here. If anything this shield nerd makes this game more like COD since it decreases survivability. In COD you can't walk at someone knowing you'll win a gunfight because you have triple their HP and double their damage. You don't have to have situational awareness if you tank HP especially compared to the insta-death in COD. Actions matter so little in Dust when compared to COD.
Tectonic Fusion 686	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:57:00 - [23] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I've said all along it's minimal. It's tiny, but any nerf to HP at this time is ill advised. I would assume that buffing shields would make people more likely to drop plates not the other way around. it's not a nerf to total hp. It just means that you simply can't stack them without a penalty. Just like armour. There already is a penalty...DRASTICALLY less EHP. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3345	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:06:00 - [24] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: In other words, it will force assault players to stop acting like this is a COD match and actually think about their actions. I can dig it. NOOO All suits must be capable of being rambo and jumping out into the firefight and survive 98.76% of the times! Seriously, Shield tanking has been the do all thing in this game for so long people don't know how to actually play with shields. If you remember Caldari 514 then you know exactly what I'm talking about. (hint: was race are all the BPO LAVs in this game?)
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 591	Posted - 2013.12.09 05:15:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Michael Arck wrote: In other words, it will force assault players to stop acting like this is a COD match and actually think about their actions. I can dig it. NOOO All suits must be capable of being rambo and jumping out into the firefight and survive 98.76% of the times! Seriously, Shield tanking has been the do all thing in this game for so long people don't know how to actually play with shields. If you remember Caldari 514 then you know exactly what I'm talking about. (hint: was race are all the BPO LAVs in this game?) I haven't played DUST in 1 month 2 weeks, but this makes me laugh. A lot. Especially since I armor tanked since the 1st day I played DUST (27th January) The Last Of The BHD


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