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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:54:00 -
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No this isn't a QQ thread just a question: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past?
Or it's the whole damage mod thing.....nah that can't be it.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
3608
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:54:00 -
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Too reliable in CQC.
Nerf hipfire accuracy.
Buff Shotguns
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1066
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:55:00 -
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LET ME STOP U RIGHT THERE , LETS NOT!
My PS3 is dusty ._.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:55:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:LET ME STOP U RIGHT THERE , LETS NOT! Too late.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
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Sev Alcatraz
Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance
324
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:56:00 -
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Scr is fine nerf the Ar effective range give the Scr less hip fire accuracy |
Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:56:00 -
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It's currently the only competitor for the AR so no its not OP if we go off that.
That time when you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1737
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:58:00 -
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SCR needs to have a damage falloff effect similar to the LR in CQC, but not as much as the LR
And it does need a ROF cap.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
2067
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:58:00 -
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Hip fire is way too good. It's got the hipfire spread of a sidearm.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1741
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:00:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:It's currently the only competitor for the AR so no its not OP if we go off that. That's terrible reasoning.
"My GalLogi with 900HP of armor is not OP because it's the only competitor against the CalLogi with 600HP of shields; therefore it's not OP if we go off that"
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8485
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:00:00 -
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Dat charge shot
That's actually probably the least OP thing, it just annoys me >_<
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:02:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:It's currently the only competitor for the AR so no its not OP if we go off that. Didn't you know, anything that can compete with the plasma rifle is automatically OP and needs a nerffing just look at the:MD,LR,Flaylock- reads off a long list for half an hour, some things are on it that aren't even in the game yet.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
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HYENAKILLER X
Gallente PowerHouse
363
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:02:00 -
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They arent as good as the duvolle period.
They have high damage and a scope but you sacrifice fittings to equip them. Also they seem to be solid at mid range but the gek with dmg mods is dirty.
if you can rock a scrambler(not full auto) and win its not tge weapon. You are actually really fkn good.
Single fire weapons are hard as hell to use.
You are welcome for my leadership
Gallente PowerHouse ftw >: )
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
64
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:04:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:It's currently the only competitor for the AR so no its not OP if we go off that. Didn't you know, anything that can compete with the plasma rifle is automatically OP and needs a nerffing just look at the:MD,LR,Flaylock- reads off a long list for half an hour, some things are on it that aren't even in the game yet.
hay you asked and considering I haven't seen a Nerf AR thread in a while.... well you get it
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CrotchGrab 360
Commando Perkone Caldari State
490
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:05:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:No this isn't a QQ thread just a question: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past?
Or it's the whole damage mod thing.....nah that can't be it.
no, it's fine that a SCR can deal 1200 damage in 1 second flat or kill starter fits in 3 rounds (half a second).
they don't do too much damage or have too fast an RoF, they're also not deadly accurate.
they're FINE says the average DUST player who wants to keep destroying new players at the redline in 3 shots whilst wearing 800hp armour and simultaneously making sure those new players never pick up DUST again.
a gun which does more than double the base damage of an AR which also does 3x the base damage on an AR when upgraded is fine and definitely not OP.
you're stupid to even suggest such a thing. next thing you know your thread will get 700 views and 1000 people jumping down your throat.
don't threaten to take the kid's toys away!!!
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3338
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:06:00 -
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*Having PTSD attack of Early Uprising Duvolle Tactical Rifles*
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1741
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:06:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:They arent as good as the duvolle period.
They have high damage and a scope but you sacrifice fittings to equip them. Also they seem to be solid at mid range but the gek with dmg mods is dirty.
if you can rock a scrambler(not full auto) and win its not tge weapon. You are actually really fkn good.
Single fire weapons are hard as hell to use. I was consistently pulling 10-20 kills with a basic SCR and only 1 Enhanced Damage mod all last night.
The only time I died was when I overheated while trying to kill mr.mustard.
So am I just really "fkin" good?
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
3610
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:07:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:Scr is fine nerf the Ar effective range give the Scr less hip fire accuracy
Dont nerf AR range, its range isn't the problem, its recoil is.
There is little to none recoil until around the 20th shot, if you increase recoil so it kicks in earlier, and remove the 'Feathering' technique, the AR would become harder to use at its effective ranges.
Buff Shotguns
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
3610
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Dat charge shot That's actually probably the least OP thing, it just annoys me >_<
Yes, whenever it hits me I go 'Oh ****' Sniper! Then I duck for cover, only for it to be some Amarrian behind me with a CRW-04.
Buff Shotguns
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
67
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:10:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:It's currently the only competitor for the AR so no its not OP if we go off that. That's terrible reasoning. "My GalLogi with 900HP of armor is not OP because it's the only competitor against the CalLogi with 600HP of shields; therefore it's not OP if we go off that"
it was intended to be sarcastic...darn internet and not letting sarcasm come through.
That time when you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck
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Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:13:00 -
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As a scrambler rifle user (went proto yesterday, woo!) I will cede that the scrambler is too useful outside it's intended range. However, that wonky-ass laser rifle profile will not touch my weapon. I hate it. Instead, how about this:
Increase hip fire spread, slightly (by like 50 or so) nerf ROF, and reduce magazine capacity to 25-30. Im for an increase of hip fire spread most of all (nothing extraordinary, maybe by 50% and adjust from there) But the damage on it and ROF is fine. The issue is not the damage it deals, but the application of that damage. All weapons were balanced around bad hit detection. That's why TTK is so short in the first place. Instead of nerfing a weapons raw damage output, why not adjust how well it can apply that damage?
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Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
140
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:13:00 -
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Hipfire is broke ass, heat glitch is broke ass, fix those and rof is fine. Leave those, then cap rof not too drastic and gun is still beast but not broke ass. I've been using the thing exclusively since 1.5, and can say complaints are justified but damn AR is just as broke ass.
Dedicated redline sniper, tower forger, nade spammer, protostomper, formerly mass driver, and now scrambler CQC spammer.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1742
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:13:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:Atiim wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:It's currently the only competitor for the AR so no its not OP if we go off that. That's terrible reasoning. "My GalLogi with 900HP of armor is not OP because it's the only competitor against the CalLogi with 600HP of shields; therefore it's not OP if we go off that" it was intended to be sarcastic...darn internet and not letting sarcasm come through. My apologies
Now I just made this normal thread about the SCR all fraked up
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:16:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Sev Alcatraz wrote:Scr is fine nerf the Ar effective range give the Scr less hip fire accuracy Dont nerf AR range, its range isn't the problem, its recoil is.There is little to none recoil until around the 20th shot, if you increase recoil so it kicks in earlier, and remove the 'Feathering' technique, the AR would become harder to use at its effective ranges. We're going to have to disagree here bud, as an EvE player I know for a fact how plasma weapons are meant to behave, this BS we deal with, not even close.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
67
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:17:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:Atiim wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:It's currently the only competitor for the AR so no its not OP if we go off that. That's terrible reasoning. "My GalLogi with 900HP of armor is not OP because it's the only competitor against the CalLogi with 600HP of shields; therefore it's not OP if we go off that" it was intended to be sarcastic...darn internet and not letting sarcasm come through. My apologies Now I just made this normal thread about the SCR all fraked up
its okay as a Cal logi myself it made me laugh because of how true it is
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:20:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:No this isn't a QQ thread just a question: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past?
Or it's the whole damage mod thing.....nah that can't be it.
All the rifles / weapons with high RoF are totally OP.
Assault rifle is the most op weapon i ever saw. Range should be heavily nerfed and damage light buffed (to make it THE short range assault rifle like it's intended.)
Scrambler rifle should just have his RoF light nerfed and his hip-fire light nerfed too. And (only) semi auto should have a smaller Mag.
SMG should have a light RoF reduction. (or a hip fire nerf.) |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1067
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:21:00 -
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Atiim wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:They arent as good as the duvolle period.
They have high damage and a scope but you sacrifice fittings to equip them. Also they seem to be solid at mid range but the gek with dmg mods is dirty.
if you can rock a scrambler(not full auto) and win its not tge weapon. You are actually really fkn good.
Single fire weapons are hard as hell to use. I was consistently pulling 10-20 kills with a basic SCR and only 1 Enhanced Damage mod all last night. The only time I died was when I overheated while trying to kill mr.mustard. So am I just really "fkin" good? Ur not good as i say again ,go against me and ill make u hate dust
My PS3 is dusty ._.
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HYENAKILLER X
Gallente PowerHouse
363
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:27:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:No this isn't a QQ thread just a question: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past?
Or it's the whole damage mod thing.....nah that can't be it. All the rifles / weapons with high RoF are totally OP. Assault rifle is the most op weapon i ever saw. Range should be heavily nerfed and damage light buffed (to make it THE short range assault rifle like it's intended.) Scrambler rifle should just have his RoF light nerfed and his hip-fire light nerfed too. And (only) semi auto should have a smaller Mag. SMG should have a light RoF reduction. (or a hip fire nerf.) This entire post is garbage.
If anything give ars scopes. The one thing in this game that is making people soft is the fact that you really have a very good fighting chance. Not against explosives. You are actually fkd against explosives and tanks. But on foot, weapon in hand you have a chance. Ar is fine. Scrambler is hype and most of you in all honesty are weaklings.
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1067
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:27:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:LET ME STOP U RIGHT THERE , LETS NOT! Too late. No seriously THREAD LOCKED!
My PS3 is dusty ._.
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
3739
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:30:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about.
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Kahn Zo
Furyan Alpha
147
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:31:00 -
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I tried the (BPO) SCR last night on my BPO scout, With the little amount of time I had with the outfit, set up, I like it. I will spend more time with it
Pure Gallente
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1313
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:46:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:No this isn't a QQ thread just a question: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past?
Or it's the whole damage mod thing.....nah that can't be it.
I think SRs need a buff. Twice as much damage and a "stun" affect that slows down scout suits when you hit them with it. That would probably balance the weapon out a bit more.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8495
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:53:00 -
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I personally don't have a problem with the ScR, I think it's more about the proficiency skill throwing off balance for all weapons. Instead of just a damage bonus, it should be something like scope zoom. The AScR could use some work though. That muzzle flash needs to be toned down.
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RED FARM
Punishers of Uranus
20
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:25:00 -
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This is in regards to semi auto:
Horribly inaccurate while firing fast. Bullets spread about 2 body widths. Got to click every shot which is a pain. Cannot get off more than 18 rounds or so before overheat which gives you damage and you are defenseless. You cannot even swap to sidearm.
I do not feel they are OP due to this. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1752
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:27:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. The Assault Rifle has also remained unchanged since Uprising.
Are the ARs balanced?
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T'orq
DUST University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:37:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:No this isn't a QQ thread just a question: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past?
Or it's the whole damage mod thing.....nah that can't be it. I think SRs need a buff. Twice as much damage and a "stun" affect that slows down scout suits when you hit them with it. That would probably balance the weapon out a bit more.
I don't agree, I can take out a scout with there or four shots with a scrambler rifle, or one charged shot.
EDIT: * three |
TunRa
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
247
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. The Assault Rifle has also remained unchanged since Uprising. Are the ARs balanced? People have always complained about the AR tho. Anyways on a unrelated note I love it when I get a charged headshot with the ScR it feels so good. One shot one kill!
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Zahle Undt
Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance
507
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:49:00 -
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RED FARM wrote:This is in regards to semi auto:
Horribly inaccurate while firing fast. Bullets spread about 2 body widths. Got to click every shot which is a pain. Cannot get off more than 18 rounds or so before overheat which gives you damage and you are defenseless. You cannot even swap to sidearm.
I do not feel they are OP due to this. 3 or 4 hipfire shots at close range is all you need for most suits and that is most of the deaths by tactical scrambler I've received and most of the kills I've gotten with it too. Its actually harder to get kills with that weapon from a distance than up close which is ass back wards from "intended role" I think. It hip fires too quickly and accurately for a "tactical" weapon (at least by this game's definition of tactical) |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
115
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:00:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Sev Alcatraz wrote:Scr is fine nerf the Ar effective range give the Scr less hip fire accuracy Dont nerf AR range, its range isn't the problem, its recoil is. There is little to none recoil until around the 20th shot, if you increase recoil so it kicks in earlier, and remove the 'Feathering' technique, the AR would become harder to use at its effective ranges.
yes you understand, also Scr is not as noobish as the AR, now AA has improved it a lot, especially at hipfire in CQC situations, is very similar to the TAR problem, but AA has also increased greatly the chance hitting the charged shot and the following shots in quick burst, it makes for a powerful weapon in every situation, sure the fix for the AR is recoil, and the fix for the Scr is decreased hipfire accuracy, now how AA affect hipfire i do not know
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Demon Buddah
NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention
76
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:37:00 -
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Hip fire is way to good, too much damage to armor tankers, and it shouldn't be able to kill my 200hp+ scout in one shot :/ and don't say it's a charge, because I don't think it's a charge shot when he's spraying and praying at me |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1454
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:44:00 -
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It's op because it's as versatile as the assault rifle (being as good as the ar should be illegal)
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
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Spaceman-Rob
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
249
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:48:00 -
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I feel a tad sorry for ccp, must be a complete head fu#k trying to balance all the weapons and gear. |
Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
318
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:54:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about.
This is true.
Here's a relevant topic from back in July.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024432#post1024432
If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
584
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:55:00 -
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They are OP. The RoF is way to high; you can just spam it like the old TAR. Damage is WAY to high, 80 damage on the STD! That 4 hit kills the Caldari Starter Fits and 5 or 6 hits the Gallente Starter Fits (the average suit a new player will wear.) and 3 shots the minnie starter. Way to accurate in CQC, it should be like the lazor. Overheat is fine, and the bypass glitch will be fixed.
EDIT: or CCP just removes auto-aim and aim assist?
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
584
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:56:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? Umm lol aim assist? Lol auto aim?
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Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
318
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:56:00 -
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disregard, double post. |
Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
72
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:57:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Way to accurate in CQC, it should be like the lazor. .
Oh the irony
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Logi, Tanker, Heavy
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The Black Art
Fatal Absolution
222
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:58:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used?
People are slow, and there are cycles of FotM. It took people over a month to realize how strong Flaylocks were. People still haven't realized how strong Proto SMGs/Pistols. |
Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
318
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:00:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:Greasepalms wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? People are slow, and there are cycles of FotM. It took people over a month to realize how strong Flaylocks were. People still haven't realized how strong Proto SMGs/Pistols are.
That's right.
It's a bandwagon. One guy says it's OP, a whole herd of tryhards will follow suit and suddenly it's all over the forums.
Me, I spec'd into ScRs and flaylocks the day they were released back in January and I'll keep using them whether they are god-tier or broken. |
Tectonic Fusion
686
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:01:00 -
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At the ranges I use the Scrambler Rifle, I can't shoot really fast because of the stupid recoil. I don't know what range it is, but I don't mind a 50-100 RoF nerf. But nothing else.
Solo Player
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Yoma Carrim
Situation Normal all fraked up
72
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:01:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:Greasepalms wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? People are slow, and there are cycles of FotM. It took people over a month to realize how strong Flaylocks were. People still haven't realized how strong Proto SMGs/Pistols are. They are starting to. There is a ScP nerf thread going on right now
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:12:00 -
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Ive been using scrs since august At first I tried to use at their range but I was outclassed by the ar every time I couldn't even stay hidden with a charge shot and pop up they would never register so I try sneak attacking with it from around the corner lead with charge, shoot 4 pop behind charge wait for them to retaliate
Its not o.p. in cqc because that's the only place its effective
Drop the ar optimal, and drop the effectiveness of scr in cqc(like make it do 80% damage or something within 25 m) Do that and you'll see scr take its place in the distance otherwise people wont use it and it'll be a flaylock or plc
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:15:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:The Black Art wrote:Greasepalms wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? People are slow, and there are cycles of FotM. It took people over a month to realize how strong Flaylocks were. People still haven't realized how strong Proto SMGs/Pistols are. That's right. It's a bandwagon. One guy says it's OP, a whole herd of tryhards will follow suit and suddenly it's all over the forums. Me, I spec'd into ScRs and flaylocks the day they were released back in January and I'll keep using them whether they are god-tier or broken. Soon as my internet is back I'm going with rr but the scr shall be on my back up suits,incase shields start coming back
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The Black Art
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:24:00 -
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I think it's a matter of perspective. In pubs it seems too strong, because there a lot of cheap fits and low SP characters. In PC, where everyone has min-maxed suits, it's balanced, especially with armor tanking being in favor right now. Should CCP balance their game around cheap suits and low SP characters? |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:31:00 -
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The Black Art wrote: Should CCP balance their game around cheap suits and low SP characters?
^ Look! The words "CCP" and "balance" side-by-side, as if Uprising had never occurred.
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Zahle Undt
Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:00:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:I think it's a matter of perspective. In pubs it seems too strong, because there a lot of cheap fits and low SP characters. In PC, where everyone has min-maxed suits, it's balanced, especially with armor tanking being in favor right now. Should CCP balance their game around cheap suits and low SP characters?
Its not just the cheap suits. I run pretty much advanced tier and they tear me up, but mostly at close range. At long range they ate easy to avoid and do more wounding causing one to seek cover. At close range they kill before you can even react. Its much like the tac ar heavy damage and RoF because CCP realized it would be hard to land a number of shots at range, however, it is just too good at close range too. lower RoF a little and increase hip fire spread a little and it would be fine. |
Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:18:00 -
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The rate of fire needs to be toned down. A lot of times they are stacked with dmg mods as well but I can't stop them from putting on dmg mods b/c I'd probably do it too. But yeah rate of fire is crazy. ((I've got ScR. at Advanced)) |
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:29:00 -
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if you tone down the rate of fire you will just be extending the time you can keep fireing before overheat, whats needed is a heat increase to bring down the time you can keep fireing |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.08 22:34:00 -
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I don't have any skills in ScR so ignore me if this is invalid. As I see it though the charge has no real downside, the heat doesn't rise more with the shot / expend more ammunition. I don't know if this is strictly true but basing it on vids I've seen. Also with the overheat glitch you can take out another 2 /3 enemies without heating again.
And with the Assault variant I've seen my CEO demonstrate that he has to empty a clip and a half before that overheats, again not much compensation for a weapon thats more powerful than a proto AR.
Like I said I have no skills in it and I generally don't get along with the weapon. just my observations and I admit I could be entirely wrong. so pinch of salt pls
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Christiphoros von Poe
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:38:00 -
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Thurak1
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:41:00 -
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I think before any other weapon is adjusted the AR needs a good magnifying glass put on it. It is the lowest SP cost weapon in the game yet it out-performs nearly every weapon in the game vs infantry anyway.
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Thurak1
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:45:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I don't have any skills in ScR so ignore me if this is invalid. As I see it though the charge has no real downside, the heat doesn't rise more with the shot / expend more ammunition. I don't know if this is strictly true but basing it on vids I've seen. Also with the overheat glitch you can take out another 2 /3 enemies without heating again.
And with the Assault variant I've seen my CEO demonstrate that he has to empty a clip and a half before that overheats, again not much compensation for a weapon thats more powerful than a proto AR.
Like I said I have no skills in it and I generally don't get along with the weapon. just my observations and I admit I could be entirely wrong. so pinch of salt pls Not sure where your getting this info but i am betting whoever demonstrated it was taking advantage of an exploit that i am not familiar with how to use. For me 2 charged shots is nearly overheating. My Ascr overheats at about half a clip. |
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Posted - 2013.12.09 01:25:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I don't have any skills in ScR so ignore me if this is invalid. As I see it though the charge has no real downside, the heat doesn't rise more with the shot / expend more ammunition. I don't know if this is strictly true but basing it on vids I've seen. Also with the overheat glitch you can take out another 2 /3 enemies without heating again.
And with the Assault variant I've seen my CEO demonstrate that he has to empty a clip and a half before that overheats, again not much compensation for a weapon thats more powerful than a proto AR.
Like I said I have no skills in it and I generally don't get along with the weapon. just my observations and I admit I could be entirely wrong. so pinch of salt pls The AR has a slightly more DPS than the AScR does and it also has more range. I don't understand how you could say it's more powerful...
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