DUST Search - Let's talk dust: Scrambler rifles.

Greasepalms wrote:

The Black Art wrote:

Greasepalms wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past?

The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about.

This is true.

Here's a relevant topic from back in July.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497

If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used?

People are slow, and there are cycles of FotM. It took people over a month to realize how strong Flaylocks were. People still haven't realized how strong Proto SMGs/Pistols are.

That's right.

It's a bandwagon. One guy says it's OP, a whole herd of tryhards will follow suit and suddenly it's all over the forums.

Me, I spec'd into ScRs and flaylocks the day they were released back in January and I'll keep using them whether they are god-tier or broken.

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Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1313	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:46:00 - [31] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: No this isn't a QQ thread just a question: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? Or it's the whole damage mod thing.....nah that can't be it. I think SRs need a buff. Twice as much damage and a "stun" affect that slows down scout suits when you hit them with it. That would probably balance the weapon out a bit more. Marston VC, STB Member
Cosgar ParagonX 8495	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:53:00 - [32] - Quote I personally don't have a problem with the ScR, I think it's more about the proficiency skill throwing off balance for all weapons. Instead of just a damage bonus, it should be something like scope zoom. The AScR could use some work though. That muzzle flash needs to be toned down. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
RED FARM Punishers of Uranus 20	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:25:00 - [33] - Quote This is in regards to semi auto: Horribly inaccurate while firing fast. Bullets spread about 2 body widths. Got to click every shot which is a pain. Cannot get off more than 18 rounds or so before overheat which gives you damage and you are defenseless. You cannot even swap to sidearm. I do not feel they are OP due to this.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1752	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:27:00 - [34] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. The Assault Rifle has also remained unchanged since Uprising. Are the ARs balanced? My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 8	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:37:00 - [35] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: No this isn't a QQ thread just a question: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? Or it's the whole damage mod thing.....nah that can't be it. I think SRs need a buff. Twice as much damage and a "stun" affect that slows down scout suits when you hit them with it. That would probably balance the weapon out a bit more. I don't agree, I can take out a scout with there or four shots with a scrambler rifle, or one charged shot. EDIT: * three
TunRa RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 247	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:38:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. The Assault Rifle has also remained unchanged since Uprising. Are the ARs balanced? People have always complained about the AR tho. Anyways on a unrelated note I love it when I get a charged headshot with the ScR it feels so good. One shot one kill! Thanks CCP Foxfour
Zahle Undt Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 507	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:49:00 - [37] - Quote RED FARM wrote: This is in regards to semi auto: Horribly inaccurate while firing fast. Bullets spread about 2 body widths. Got to click every shot which is a pain. Cannot get off more than 18 rounds or so before overheat which gives you damage and you are defenseless. You cannot even swap to sidearm. I do not feel they are OP due to this. 3 or 4 hipfire shots at close range is all you need for most suits and that is most of the deaths by tactical scrambler I've received and most of the kills I've gotten with it too. Its actually harder to get kills with that weapon from a distance than up close which is ass back wards from "intended role" I think. It hip fires too quickly and accurately for a "tactical" weapon (at least by this game's definition of tactical)
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 115	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:00:00 - [38] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: Scr is fine nerf the Ar effective range give the Scr less hip fire accuracy Dont nerf AR range, its range isn't the problem, its recoil is. There is little to none recoil until around the 20th shot, if you increase recoil so it kicks in earlier, and remove the 'Feathering' technique, the AR would become harder to use at its effective ranges. yes you understand, also Scr is not as noobish as the AR, now AA has improved it a lot, especially at hipfire in CQC situations, is very similar to the TAR problem, but AA has also increased greatly the chance hitting the charged shot and the following shots in quick burst, it makes for a powerful weapon in every situation, sure the fix for the AR is recoil, and the fix for the Scr is decreased hipfire accuracy, now how AA affect hipfire i do not know Me and my inner demons stopped fighting......We are on the same side now...
Demon Buddah NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 76	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:37:00 - [39] - Quote Hip fire is way to good, too much damage to armor tankers, and it shouldn't be able to kill my 200hp+ scout in one shot :/ and don't say it's a charge, because I don't think it's a charge shot when he's spraying and praying at me
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1454	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:44:00 - [40] - Quote It's op because it's as versatile as the assault rifle (being as good as the ar should be illegal) "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå

Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 249	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:48:00 - [41] - Quote I feel a tad sorry for ccp, must be a complete head fu#k trying to balance all the weapons and gear.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 318	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:54:00 - [42] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024432#post1024432 If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used?
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 584	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:55:00 - [43] - Quote They are OP. The RoF is way to high; you can just spam it like the old TAR. Damage is WAY to high, 80 damage on the STD! That 4 hit kills the Caldari Starter Fits and 5 or 6 hits the Gallente Starter Fits (the average suit a new player will wear.) and 3 shots the minnie starter. Way to accurate in CQC, it should be like the lazor. Overheat is fine, and the bypass glitch will be fixed. EDIT: or CCP just removes auto-aim and aim assist? Host of Zilla's Games! The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 584	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:56:00 - [44] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497 If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? Umm lol aim assist? Lol auto aim? Host of Zilla's Games! The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 318	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:56:00 - [45] - Quote disregard, double post.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 72	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:57:00 - [46] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Way to accurate in CQC, it should be like the lazor. . Oh the irony When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
The Black Art Fatal Absolution 222	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:58:00 - [47] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497 If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? People are slow, and there are cycles of FotM. It took people over a month to realize how strong Flaylocks were. People still haven't realized how strong Proto SMGs/Pistols.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 318	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:00:00 - [48] - Quote The Black Art wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497 If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? People are slow, and there are cycles of FotM. It took people over a month to realize how strong Flaylocks were. People still haven't realized how strong Proto SMGs/Pistols are. That's right. It's a bandwagon. One guy says it's OP, a whole herd of tryhards will follow suit and suddenly it's all over the forums. Me, I spec'd into ScRs and flaylocks the day they were released back in January and I'll keep using them whether they are god-tier or broken.
Tectonic Fusion 686	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:01:00 - [49] - Quote At the ranges I use the Scrambler Rifle, I can't shoot really fast because of the stupid recoil. I don't know what range it is, but I don't mind a 50-100 RoF nerf. But nothing else. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 72	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:01:00 - [50] - Quote The Black Art wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497 If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? People are slow, and there are cycles of FotM. It took people over a month to realize how strong Flaylocks were. People still haven't realized how strong Proto SMGs/Pistols are. They are starting to. There is a ScP nerf thread going on right now When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 250	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:12:00 - [51] - Quote Ive been using scrs since august At first I tried to use at their range but I was outclassed by the ar every time I couldn't even stay hidden with a charge shot and pop up they would never register so I try sneak attacking with it from around the corner lead with charge, shoot 4 pop behind charge wait for them to retaliate Its not o.p. in cqc because that's the only place its effective Drop the ar optimal, and drop the effectiveness of scr in cqc(like make it do 80% damage or something within 25 m) Do that and you'll see scr take its place in the distance otherwise people wont use it and it'll be a flaylock or plc Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Fear is a choice, I choose not to let it control me.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 250	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:15:00 - [52] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: The Black Art wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Are scrambler rifles really OP, or is it just that their ROF is a bit too high, like the TAR of past? The rate of fire is fine. Notice how the scrambler rifles have remained largely unchanged since they were introduced and we're only just now hearing complaints about them. People ran out of stuff to QQ about. This is true. Here's a relevant topic from back in July. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1024497#post1024497 If the ScR is so OP how come 5 months ago it was barely used? People are slow, and there are cycles of FotM. It took people over a month to realize how strong Flaylocks were. People still haven't realized how strong Proto SMGs/Pistols are. That's right. It's a bandwagon. One guy says it's OP, a whole herd of tryhards will follow suit and suddenly it's all over the forums. Me, I spec'd into ScRs and flaylocks the day they were released back in January and I'll keep using them whether they are god-tier or broken. Soon as my internet is back I'm going with rr but the scr shall be on my back up suits,incase shields start coming back Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Fear is a choice, I choose not to let it control me.
The Black Art Fatal Absolution 224	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:24:00 - [53] - Quote I think it's a matter of perspective. In pubs it seems too strong, because there a lot of cheap fits and low SP characters. In PC, where everyone has min-maxed suits, it's balanced, especially with armor tanking being in favor right now. Should CCP balance their game around cheap suits and low SP characters?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2723	Posted - 2013.12.08 21:31:00 - [54] - Quote The Black Art wrote: Should CCP balance their game around cheap suits and low SP characters? ^ Look! The words "CCP" and "balance" side-by-side, as if Uprising had never occurred.
Zahle Undt Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 510	Posted - 2013.12.08 22:00:00 - [55] - Quote The Black Art wrote: I think it's a matter of perspective. In pubs it seems too strong, because there a lot of cheap fits and low SP characters. In PC, where everyone has min-maxed suits, it's balanced, especially with armor tanking being in favor right now. Should CCP balance their game around cheap suits and low SP characters? Its not just the cheap suits. I run pretty much advanced tier and they tear me up, but mostly at close range. At long range they ate easy to avoid and do more wounding causing one to seek cover. At close range they kill before you can even react. Its much like the tac ar heavy damage and RoF because CCP realized it would be hard to land a number of shots at range, however, it is just too good at close range too. lower RoF a little and increase hip fire spread a little and it would be fine.
Aria Gomes Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 182	Posted - 2013.12.08 22:18:00 - [56] - Quote The rate of fire needs to be toned down. A lot of times they are stacked with dmg mods as well but I can't stop them from putting on dmg mods b/c I'd probably do it too. But yeah rate of fire is crazy. ((I've got ScR. at Advanced))
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 84	Posted - 2013.12.08 22:29:00 - [57] - Quote if you tone down the rate of fire you will just be extending the time you can keep fireing before overheat, whats needed is a heat increase to bring down the time you can keep fireing
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 563	Posted - 2013.12.08 22:34:00 - [58] - Quote I don't have any skills in ScR so ignore me if this is invalid. As I see it though the charge has no real downside, the heat doesn't rise more with the shot / expend more ammunition. I don't know if this is strictly true but basing it on vids I've seen. Also with the overheat glitch you can take out another 2 /3 enemies without heating again. And with the Assault variant I've seen my CEO demonstrate that he has to empty a clip and a half before that overheats, again not much compensation for a weapon thats more powerful than a proto AR. Like I said I have no skills in it and I generally don't get along with the weapon. just my observations and I admit I could be entirely wrong. so pinch of salt pls "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Christiphoros von Poe DUST University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2013.12.09 00:38:00 - [59] - Quote Plz don't touch mah portal gun :(
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 404	Posted - 2013.12.09 00:41:00 - [60] - Quote I think before any other weapon is adjusted the AR needs a good magnifying glass put on it. It is the lowest SP cost weapon in the game yet it out-performs nearly every weapon in the game vs infantry anyway.



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