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Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:50:00 - [1] - Quote This game is supposed to incorporate all 3 dimensions of warfare into a single match why is it that so many people think this is supposed to be mainly about infantry. CCP as stupid as they can be understands that they are going to get their core group of players will be mostly infantry so they developed that aspect the most so they could survive as a game they needed the player base. This game intended for air vehicles, ground vehicles, and infantry to work together in harmony yet most people seem to think it is an infantry game if it was why would there be a 15-16mil sp sink for tanks and most likely the same amount for the DS. So many people tell me I want TANK 514 when I call for AV nerfs or tank buffs but guess what it's not INFANTRY 514 either it is DUST 514 where it is supposed to incorporate all 3 aspects of gameplay and hold them to equal importance. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 562	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:52:00 - [2] - Quote Give us all the racial variants of vehicles, including light and heavy aircraft and MAV's then it might be. Till then it is a infantry centred game "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:53:00 - [3] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Give us all the racial variants of vehicles, including light and heavy aircraft and MAV's then it might be. Till then it is a infantry centred game Currently it is because that is the most developed area but when I call for changes many people believe it is meant to be infantry centered. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 770	Posted - 2013.12.08 16:54:00 - [4] - Quote Because CCP caters to snot nosed punks. Our only consolation is some of us probably took their mom home from the bar last night.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1155	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:05:00 - [5] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Give us all the racial variants of vehicles, including light and heavy aircraft and MAV's then it might be. Till then it is a infantry centred game So it's an infantry centered game because there aren't all racial variants out for vehicles, even though the same goes for infantry too?
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:07:00 - [6] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Give us all the racial variants of vehicles, including light and heavy aircraft and MAV's then it might be. Till then it is a infantry centred game So it's an infantry centered game because there aren't all racial variants out for vehicles, even though the same goes for infantry too? We don't even have all the vehicles out forget about variants. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 562	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:07:00 - [7] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Give us all the racial variants of vehicles, including light and heavy aircraft and MAV's then it might be. Till then it is a infantry centred game So it's an infantry centered game because there aren't all racial variants out for vehicles, even though the same goes for infantry too? I'm saying there is a lack of choice heavily centred on the vehicles "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 420	Posted - 2013.12.08 17:34:00 - [8] - Quote Well if the game was 80% dropships, tanks, LAV's on the map and only a couple infantry then it wouldn't matter to much about the infantry. The guy who designed tanks originally in DUST 514 was quoted many times saying that tanks in DUST 514 are end game. They are to cost the most and take the most SP to get into. he has been relieved from CCP's employ.. I've always wanted tank's more expendable so everyone that wanted could get into them and kinda make it work... So there would be huge 6vs6 tank battles. Dropships where supposed to be the main troop transport and wasn't meant to be an offensive platform. The offensive abilities from the dropship was supposed to come from the mercenaries in it using their actual guns. I think every seasoned gamer want's that complexity that vehicles bring to strategies and tactics.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 289	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:00:00 - [9] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Well if the game was 80% dropships, tanks, LAV's on the map and only a couple infantry then it wouldn't matter to much about the infantry. The guy who designed tanks originally in DUST 514 was quoted many times saying that tanks in DUST 514 are end game. They are to cost the most and take the most SP to get into. he has been relieved from CCP's employ.. I've always wanted tank's more expendable so everyone that wanted could get into them and kinda make it work... So there would be huge 6vs6 tank battles. Dropships where supposed to be the main troop transport and wasn't meant to be an offensive platform. The offensive abilities from the dropship was supposed to come from the mercenaries in it using their actual guns. I think every seasoned gamer want's that complexity that vehicles bring to strategies and tactics. I do agree it there needs to be more infantry than vehicles that is just common sense but I would like to see more than 1 tank a game for both sides that goes for all vehicles DS that you could shoot out of would be epic but you know how annoying a guy with a Thale in a DS would be get a few kills reposition repeat. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1124	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:22:00 - [10] - Quote I love tanks when they are on my side, I hate them when they are on the other side F* the Snowflake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak

calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1124	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:23:00 - [11] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Because CCP caters to snot nosed punks. Our only consolation is some of us probably took their mom home from the bar last night. I feel like I need a shot after reading this one F* the Snowflake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 3735	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:24:00 - [12] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Give us all the racial variants of vehicles, including light and heavy aircraft and MAV's then it might be. Till then it is a infantry centred game So it's an infantry centered game because there aren't all racial variants out for vehicles, even though the same goes for infantry too? There are at least all the racial variants of the medium frame, which honestly is the only frame worth using at the moment. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Scions, a website is available
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2923	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:26:00 - [13] - Quote Because vehicles suck and even the best of users in the best of fits can be countered by one guy whom's fit cost 1/4 of said vehicle? Just saying. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 146	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:27:00 - [14] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Because CCP caters to snot nosed punks. Our only consolation is some of us probably took their mom home from the bar last night. Funny. Better yet, Had to pickup our wife from the bar... Pure Gallente
Zahle Undt Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 507	Posted - 2013.12.08 18:57:00 - [15] - Quote Vehicles cost more (SP and ISK) because they are more powerful. BTW the only tankers getting beat by one AV infantry usually duck and have weak tanks
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1294	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:04:00 - [16] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: This game is supposed to incorporate all 3 dimensions of warfare into a single match why is it that so many people think this is supposed to be mainly about infantry. CCP as stupid as they can be understands that they are going to get their core group of players will be mostly infantry so they developed that aspect the most so they could survive as a game they needed the player base. This game intended for air vehicles, ground vehicles, and infantry to work together in harmony yet most people seem to think it is an infantry game if it was why would there be a 15-16mil sp sink for tanks and most likely the same amount for the DS. So many people tell me I want TANK 514 when I call for AV nerfs or tank buffs but guess what it's not INFANTRY 514 either it is DUST 514 where it is supposed to incorporate all 3 aspects of gameplay and hold them to equal importance. The moment your tanks require a crew to be operated like a real tank, then maybe you can ask for infantry to need to work together to take down a tank, right now it just takes a single driver to be the gunner and your tank is 100% operational. The fail is that ccp allowed the driver to gun the tank, those should be seperate... And your 16m Vehicle sink is just the same for infantry, except in your sink you get to sit in 6000 ehp that can only be damaged by 10% of the fielded weapon on the map and still you guys whine about it while infantry is vulnerable against everything on the map.... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 1906	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:08:00 - [17] - Quote reallyy rei Yes we armoured combatants have 10x more hp than you But we are getting hit with 10x more damage than your little dropsuits. CEO @ MCDUSTDONALDS Why Fight Proto AV With Standard Tanks Putting Ammo On Large Blasters Is Like A HMG With 2 Bullets
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1752	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:13:00 - [18] - Quote Should I take the Diplomatic approach, the Aggressive approach, or the Specialist approach? So many choices, yet so little time. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4619	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:19:00 - [19] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Give us all the racial variants of vehicles, including light and heavy aircraft and MAV's then it might be. Till then it is a infantry centred game So it's an infantry centered game because there aren't all racial variants out for vehicles, even though the same goes for infantry too? Do you admit that there are 4 fully designed class groups with smaller sub groups? Are there atleast all 4 racial varients of Assault and Logistics? The only two classes that are not fully covered are scouts (which have the same number of racial varients as vehicles, and heavies, both commando and sentinel which only have one variant. All of these varients have MLT STD ADV and PRO varients Now tell me..... does that sounds as bad as MLT Cal or Gallente HAV and STD Cal and Gallente HAV? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
R F Gyro Clones 4u 788	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:19:00 - [20] - Quote Because vehicles can't hack null cannons? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1752	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:22:00 - [21] - Quote Personally, I hate HAVs and Dropships as well as infantry. If you aren't rolling in a Scout LAV or Logistics LAV, then your a scrub. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Zero-Day 1909	Posted - 2013.12.08 19:22:00 - [22] - Quote because. Tank=kill,no hack,die/ Dropsuit=Kill,hack,repeat EDIT: and if you didn't know. Hacking=victory CEO @ MCDUSTDONALDS Why Fight Proto AV With Standard Tanks Putting Ammo On Large Blasters Is Like A HMG With 2 Bullets
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1294	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:20:00 - [23] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: because. Tank=kill,no hack,die/ Dropsuit=Kill,hack,repeat EDIT: and if you didn't know. Hacking=victory Because a dropsuit never dies eh ? And i am sorry i don't agree with hacking is winning, when i drop into a game and my side is loosing is because they cannot kill fast enough to get to the hack point, these blue guys are getting creamed before they can even hack something. Then when something that kills comes allong and sends everything to the clonepools, then can people hack the objective...if you think you can win by hacking and not killing, then your dead wrong, most of my games end when the opponent runs out of clones, not when their MCC runs out of armor.... If you didnt know, killing 40-60 guys in one game really throws of the enemies defences, so badly they won't be sitting down for the next 5 days or so... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 18	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:28:00 - [24] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: This game is supposed to incorporate all 3 dimensions of warfare into a single match why is it that so many people think this is supposed to be mainly about infantry. CCP as stupid as they can be understands that they are going to get their core group of players will be mostly infantry so they developed that aspect the most so they could survive as a game they needed the player base. This game intended for air vehicles, ground vehicles, and infantry to work together in harmony yet most people seem to think it is an infantry game if it was why would there be a 15-16mil sp sink for tanks and most likely the same amount for the DS. So many people tell me I want TANK 514 when I call for AV nerfs or tank buffs but guess what it's not INFANTRY 514 either it is DUST 514 where it is supposed to incorporate all 3 aspects of gameplay and hold them to equal importance. I understand what the OP is trying to say, but it isn't worded too well. Dust isn't meant to be infantry centred, I agree. The game IS intended to combine all aspects of warfare, creating diverse battles. As many comments have said (and the OP himself), at the moment it IS mostly about infantry. The player-base needs to be held as best as possible in order to develop the vehicle element efficiently (please hold the QQ, I know it hasn't been smooth). The best way to do this is through making infantry the main priority, as they are (like it or not) the core of any FPS, even Dust. I am not a vehicle user (infantry scrub FTW!) but I would love more vehicle play to this game, it adds more depth and strategy to everyone's game. Infantry 514 is not what CCP want this game to be, and they know that's why many of us play. A 10 year plan takes time. Sadly but honestly, starting Dust as Infantry 514 and expanding upon that is CCP building their foundations, ensuring they have time to do what they plan. Sure, it could backfire horribly, but for a F2P FPS that spans two games, two platforms, one universe, I believe they have the right strategy.
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 157	Posted - 2013.12.08 20:31:00 - [25] - Quote Because they can't solo it with an AR


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