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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:53:00 -
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because SCR.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:57:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:**** no.
Actually, let's restore the TAR whilst we're at it. And the Calogi.
I'd consider a prenerf core flaylock to be a fair fight in an advanced minja suit vs a Gal Logi Auto Aim slayer with a proto SCR.
Am I wrong?
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:01:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:How about we settle for making the weapons useful.
I would love to have the damage back, but keep the ROF nerf and Splash Nerf.
Hitting people isn't the problem with a Flaylock (for me), its killing them without having to empty two clips into them.
Nah. Bring it back to the prenerf intact.
They have auto aim, I get splash.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:10:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I use to think the Scrambler Rifle was OP like you...
Then I used the Assault Rifle.
Maybe it is because I run minja- but an SCR is basically insta kill. I can usually take 3 hits from a duvolle. I know because I f I can someone get away after the second I am usually 0/0 aka struttin in my g strang on the battlefield yo!
Proto SCR I think I hear the first round and death screen. **** anything past the first round is a waste of ammo.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:50:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:mollerz wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:**** no.
Actually, let's restore the TAR whilst we're at it. And the Calogi. I'd consider a prenerf core flaylock to be a fair fight in an advanced minja suit vs a Gal Logi Auto Aim slayer with a proto SCR. Am I wrong? Man, wrong don't even begin to describe you.
Thanks man! 
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:52:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Does it genuinely not occur to you that it would be better to change the Gallogi/SCR? 
No, as scout the nerfing thing is doing nothing but harm. Let's just start buffing the **** out of everything.
Plus, **** this noise about asking for a small buff.
Go big or go home.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:59:00 -
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I don't know if I should make a separate thread about this, but can we also reinstate the prenerf compact nano?
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.07 23:11:00 -
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Sick Metagamer wrote:mollerz wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:I use to think the Scrambler Rifle was OP like you...
Then I used the Assault Rifle. Maybe it is because I run minja- but an SCR is basically insta kill. I can usually take 3 hits from a duvolle. I know because if I can somehow get away after the second shot I am usually 0/0 aka struttin in my g strang on the battlefield yo! Proto SCR I think I hear the first round and death screen. **** anything past the first round is a waste of ammo. SCRs are great when you are one on one with someone.... But in a group melee crap fest, the AR will always reign supreme. When the TAR needed nerfing, EVERYONE was using them. The SCR is not nearly as common as ARs in kill feeds currently, so I am arguing it ain't overpowered, just EXCELLENT situationally one on one.
False. I have a better time against SCRs in extreme CQC. If they are outside of spitting distance with auto aim it's insta-lights-out. There is no way to out strafe autoaim, and no way to dodge or outrun any of its rounds.
ARs are only near instal kill with auto aim. I can mid range battle an AR user in my scout suit if they are free aim.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.07 23:13:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Every side arm can be run as a main and can kill people on their own except the flaylock. Thats my point, the others should be brought inline with the FP... OMG Heresy!! I called for a nerf to all other side arms OMG!! No, I mean, side arms are just that, and shouldn't be used primary... Heresy!! The FP is an awesome follow up weapon. What a side arm should be. NOPE. Read my above post. What separates Sidearms from Primaries isn't killing power. It's the ability to engage multiple targets. Also range 
There has been poppy talk of nerfing the nova knives. but the high damage is intrinsic to the range as well as the proficiency skill.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.07 23:39:00 -
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Sorry- not buying this skill makes it better thing. As a scout, running into two people means the weapon can't kill the first logi much less the second one. And this is usually after my knives became useless due to lag or misfire.
A core flaylock could kill prenerf. now it barely can. SCR insta kills.
wut is the problem with finally countering a buff with a buff?
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.08 00:18:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Ewww.
I use it sometimes and it's not tragically bad, just UnderPowered.
Maybe a slight to dmg or a really slight buff to radius.
One or the other, not both.
Nope Both.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.08 00:53:00 -
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nope! Sorry shutterfly. I went all out on FPs off jump. Same as I will withthe combat rifle.
My IshLock Minja (ADV min scout with core flaylock/ishnok knives) was OP only because I could reliably kill like a champ with that combo.
I would also even go so far as to say that combo with a flux you are a true CQC ninja.
it's not like the flaylock has AR/SCR range by any means.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.08 01:04:00 -
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Shutter Fly wrote:mollerz wrote:nope! Sorry shutterfly. I went all out on FPs off jump. Same as I will withthe combat rifle.
My IshLock Minja (ADV min scout with core flaylock/ishnok knives) was OP only because I could reliably kill like a champ with that combo.
I would also even go so far as to say that combo with a flux you are a true CQC ninja.
it's not like the flaylock has AR/SCR range by any means. I just can't accept that the FP wasn't OP after seeing the complete cluster**** PC became during that time. Yeah, it isn't that crazy on a Minja, but when it's a battle full of CalLogis, Cal Assaults, and Min Assaults carrying them, things get insane. EDIT: Don't want to get this deleted due to accidental profanity filter bypassing
Yup. Once again, F scout players. everything has to depend on the logi apex, eh?
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.08 01:52:00 -
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How am I QQing?
I am against an SCR nerf. I am for a Core Flaylock (yup proto level only) buff to prenerf levels.
Sorry mate. That doesn't pass the QQ test.
Unless you are saying you will QQ to have to face me with a IshFlay suit.
We are out of dreadfort station 
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.08 02:16:00 -
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Shutter Fly wrote:mollerz wrote:Shutter Fly wrote:mollerz wrote:nope! Sorry shutterfly. I went all out on FPs off jump. Same as I will withthe combat rifle.
My IshLock Minja (ADV min scout with core flaylock/ishnok knives) was OP only because I could reliably kill like a champ with that combo.
I would also even go so far as to say that combo with a flux you are a true CQC ninja.
it's not like the flaylock has AR/SCR range by any means. I just can't accept that the FP wasn't OP after seeing the complete cluster**** PC became during that time. Yeah, it isn't that crazy on a Minja, but when it's a battle full of CalLogis, Cal Assaults, and Min Assaults carrying them, things get insane. EDIT: Don't want to get this deleted due to accidental profanity filter bypassing Yup. Once again, F scout players. everything has to depend on the logi apex, eh? Don't get me wrong, I'm a scout as well. I just think they should buff the scout suits, and nerf the logis. Giving the FP too huge of a buff is just an indirect solution to the real problem.
Kind of agree. But if I were in Core's R&D department, I'd have made our premiere flaylock product along the lines of the prenerf CFP. I like to deliver products that perform.
Now, in the civilian department of Core, I'd definitely use the current CFPs in our line of festival flaylocks. Shooting snowballs on Ice planets, and fireworks on others (holiday specific) this current model would be perfection.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.12.08 02:27:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Just buff the damage, nerf RoF and raise CPU costs to be significantly higher than the other sidearms. Damage was fine, splash needed a nerf, but it was too easy to fit and the RoF was stupid for what was supposed to be a skillshot weapon. Everyone wanted to nerf the **** out of the mass driver pre-1.4 and now nobody complains about it anymore. This is why you never nerf something when core issues are a problem.
jaysus fukn mary.
The minja is already insanely constrained for CPU. By CPU/PG design it is literally meant for a minja. Even the fitting optimization was changed to reflect lowering CPU per level vs PG like most weapons.
How is an explosive weapon supposed to be a skill shot weapon? That cancels out any meaning of concept.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.08 02:32:00 -
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Can't get worse!
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.08 02:48:00 -
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Nope. Not wrong.
Put on a minja suit. Go fight against an AR and then a SCR.
it's kind of a moot point- except you get to hear your tinklely shield glass snap a couple times before you die versus insta wasted by an SCR.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.08 03:11:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:mollerz wrote:How am I QQing? I am against an SCR nerf. I am for a Core Flaylock (yup proto level only) buff to prenerf levels. Sorry mate. That doesn't pass the QQ test. Unless you are saying you will QQ to have to face me with a IshFlay suit. We are out of dreadfort station I loose to no man 1 on 1.But : ''Because SCR'' sounds pretty QQ to me. If its not, i apologize. The FP does need a buff too...ITs pretty hard getting kills with it at ANY level...
I said because SCR to illustrate that buffing the Core FLaylock to pre nerf levels would be a fair counter to a logi SCR user. And I would only be using it to back up my ishNoks. maybe that is just me tho. I mean, Above all else I prefer to kill with knives. I die all the time inches from knife slays. gladly
I just need something to help me kill when my knives get bugged out. I literally can't run or do damage sometimes for bugs. Do Ibelieve for a second anyone at CCP runs knives like me? NO. This **** just isn't going to get fixed.
So back to prenerf core flaylocks for fuk sake.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.08 03:58:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:mollerz wrote:
I said because SCR to illustrate that buffing the Core FLaylock to pre nerf levels would be a fair counter to a logi SCR user. .
On other notes. a Light weapon is supposed to be OVERALL better than a SIDEARM. a SCR , ( considering the MASSIVE CPU-PG cost, specially compared to a Flaylock) Is supposed to be a better than the flaylock.They need to buff the FP?Yeah. Do we need the Dual wielding mercenaries using it like an OP Mass driver ? no.The splash range might come back as it was pre nerf. But the damage should stay.
sidearm vs light is based on range, not damage. see nova knife.
a small missile should hurt. and it should have splash. And proto skilled with prof lv3 like I have should kill.
SCR (as of 1.7) > than Core Flay
Close Range SCR = Core Flay
wut more of a crutch do you want dude?
pfft.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.12 03:23:00 -
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It's a fricken missile.
It should do the same damage as a grenade. No arms manufacturer would make something like this unless it was RPG like. Why would they make a proto weapon that was ineffective in the hands of a highly skilled users? THEY WOULDN'T because no one would buy them. If it scares you, then don't get close to prey that's using it.
It only holds 3 rounds. The range is super short. thus a sidearm.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.12 03:30:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:mollerz wrote:It's a fricken missile.
It should do the same damage as a grenade. No arms manufacturer would make something like this unless it was RPG like. Why would they make a proto weapon that was ineffective in the hands of a highly skilled users? THEY WOULDN'T because no one would buy them. If it scares you, then don't get close to prey that's using it.
It only holds 3 rounds. The range is super short. thus a sidearm.
Grenade damage is a bit much. Though the Flaylock should be a lot more competitive. I think the ROF should be increased and leave the damage the same. Also increase the missile speed of the Breach Variant.
The problem is the damage is b000lshit.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2013.12.12 03:50:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:mollerz wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:mollerz wrote:It's a fricken missile.
It should do the same damage as a grenade. No arms manufacturer would make something like this unless it was RPG like. Why would they make a proto weapon that was ineffective in the hands of a highly skilled users? THEY WOULDN'T because no one would buy them. If it scares you, then don't get close to prey that's using it.
It only holds 3 rounds. The range is super short. thus a sidearm.
Grenade damage is a bit much. Though the Flaylock should be a lot more competitive. I think the ROF should be increased and leave the damage the same. Also increase the missile speed of the Breach Variant. The problem is the damage is b000lshit. It is hard to balance out the damage without the higher tiers one shotting low tier suits.
You can do that with all kinds of weapons. I fail to see that as any reason to nerf one particular weapon over the other. Low tier suits should die to proto weapons.
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