DUST Search - Why do scouts and heavies have fewer slots than medium frames?

Llast 326 wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Keri Starlight wrote:

They are meant to be less versatile, I guess...

I believe Scouts need 1 more module slot and better PG and CPU, though.

The Heavy suit is ok, in my opinion, it's the HMG that sucks. Bullet dispersion needs to be fully optimized.

I think you're on target, , Keri.

The heavy suits are actually pretty good. With some heavy weapon options or tuned up HMG they would play a much bigger factor. The heavy / Logibro team is still one of the best examples of how different roles combine for effects in the game.

I don't run scouts but it's obvious to me that they need some help. My thoughts on that were increasing the CPU/PG, and significantly increasing passive scanning and decreasing scan signature. Finally I would add an equipment slot not a module; scouts should have little staying power In a straight up fight but they need high end gear and tactical options. Scout with a solid ranged weapon (rail, CR, ,tac AR, SCR), uplinks, scanner, profile damps, hack mods....that's the REAL "commando" in dust.

As a scout I would like to say that you have a very good handle on what would help.
Thank you

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Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5876	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:44:00 - [1] - Quote I'm curious. How is this justified? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 398	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:46:00 - [2] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm curious. How is this justified? CCP logic... heavy also has less cpu... *Sagaris lover!!!*
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5876	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:48:00 - [3] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm curious. How is this justified? CCP logic... heavy also has less cpu... Yes, they have proportionally lower fitting resources as well. It's not just heavy CPU - it's everything. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1848	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:50:00 - [4] - Quote They are meant to be less versatile, I guess... I believe Scouts need 1 more module slot and better PG and CPU, though. The Heavy suit is ok, in my opinion, it's the HMG that sucks. Bullet dispersion needs to be fully optimized. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 47	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:51:00 - [5] - Quote did you not read its med frame AR 514 to balance heavys and scouts, heavy suits can use the AR.
castba Penguin's March 230	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:57:00 - [6] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm curious. How is this justified? I presume because they are both tanked without modules, one for speed and the other for hp. Mediums have the flexibility of more slots for varied roles. I Support SP Rollover
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1556	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:02:00 - [7] - Quote I think it has something to do with versatility (i.e. why logistics have the most slots). The problem is that not all modules have a drawback for using more than 2 of them. If we had more drawbacks, then maybe we wouldn't see so much stacking, and more complex fittings. The movement penalty for armor plates actually is reduced the more plates you stack (using 4 enhanced plates isn't a 12% movement penalty, and actually works more like a reverse stacking penalty, where each penalty is reduced from the first). For instance if you have 2 low slots you might only be able to fit a plate and an armor rep, or a sprint mod and a regenerator. 4 slots would let you use all four at once. But oh well. ____________________________________ As for justification...I'm guessing that Scouts have less slots because they dont need to be super armor/shield stacked like the other medium suits. Heavies on the other hand are a bit skewed though. The only heavies we have are AMARR, and if you look at the Amarr medium suits, they don't exactly have the fastest movement speed or the most slots. For instance the minmatar Heavy might actually have a sprint speed over 6.0, with 4 highs and 2 lows. Gallente heavy could quite possibly have 5 low slots. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 504	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:04:00 - [8] - Quote castba wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm curious. How is this justified? I presume because they are both tanked without modules, one for speed and the other for hp. Mediums have the flexibility of more slots for varied roles. Ah.... theory vs reality.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 440	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:05:00 - [9] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: They are meant to be less versatile, I guess... I believe Scouts need 1 more module slot and better PG and CPU, though. The Heavy suit is ok, in my opinion, it's the HMG that sucks. Bullet dispersion needs to be fully optimized. I think you're on target, , Keri. The heavy suits are actually pretty good. With some heavy weapon options or tuned up HMG they would play a much bigger factor. The heavy / Logibro team is still one of the best examples of how different roles combine for effects in the game. I don't run scouts but it's obvious to me that they need some help. My thoughts on that were increasing the CPU/PG, and significantly increasing passive scanning and decreasing scan signature. Finally I would add an equipment slot not a module; scouts should have little staying power In a straight up fight but they need high end gear and tactical options. Scout with a solid ranged weapon (rail, CR, ,tac AR, SCR), uplinks, scanner, profile damps, hack mods....that's the REAL "commando" in dust.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 94	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:37:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm curious. How is this justified? cause they wanted to implement an "easy mode" in dust and didnt had a better idea...
Mdog 24158 Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 50	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:42:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm curious. How is this justified? Tis ccp Flying derpships and scout shotgunning 24/7 quite fun i must say
Joel II X Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 281	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:42:00 - [12] - Quote castba wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm curious. How is this justified? I presume because they are both tanked without modules, one for speed and the other for hp. Mediums have the flexibility of more slots for varied roles. Scouts don't have speed anymore. Didn't you hear?
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4114	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:49:00 - [13] - Quote Because the heavy wields the greatest most awsome weapon in the game its so bad ass we have to wear a special heavy suit just to be able to hold onto such awesome firepower! Oh wait even a scout can use a scrambler rifle.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 694	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:36:00 - [14] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: They are meant to be less versatile, I guess... I believe Scouts need 1 more module slot and better PG and CPU, though. The Heavy suit is ok, in my opinion, it's the HMG that sucks. Bullet dispersion needs to be fully optimized. I think you're on target, , Keri. The heavy suits are actually pretty good. With some heavy weapon options or tuned up HMG they would play a much bigger factor. The heavy / Logibro team is still one of the best examples of how different roles combine for effects in the game. I don't run scouts but it's obvious to me that they need some help. My thoughts on that were increasing the CPU/PG, and significantly increasing passive scanning and decreasing scan signature. Finally I would add an equipment slot not a module; scouts should have little staying power In a straight up fight but they need high end gear and tactical options. Scout with a solid ranged weapon (rail, CR, ,tac AR, SCR), uplinks, scanner, profile damps, hack mods....that's the REAL "commando" in dust. As a scout I would like to say that you have a very good handle on what would help. Thank you I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Demon Buddah NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 71	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:41:00 - [15] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: They are meant to be less versatile, I guess... I believe Scouts need 1 more module slot and better PG and CPU, though. The Heavy suit is ok, in my opinion, it's the HMG that sucks. Bullet dispersion needs to be fully optimized. I think you're on target, , Keri. The heavy suits are actually pretty good. With some heavy weapon options or tuned up HMG they would play a much bigger factor. The heavy / Logibro team is still one of the best examples of how different roles combine for effects in the game. I don't run scouts but it's obvious to me that they need some help. My thoughts on that were increasing the CPU/PG, and significantly increasing passive scanning and decreasing scan signature. Finally I would add an equipment slot not a module; scouts should have little staying power In a straight up fight but they need high end gear and tactical options. Scout with a solid ranged weapon (rail, CR, ,tac AR, SCR), uplinks, scanner, profile damps, hack mods....that's the REAL "commando" in dust. As a scout I would like to say that you have a very good handle on what would help. Thank you I would also like to add as a scout, I think we need more stamina and speed. We're supposed to be the fastest in the game. But I can barely out run some assaults so that makes no sense. We would be able to do much more and faster if we had this.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 156	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:43:00 - [16] - Quote castba wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm curious. How is this justified? I presume because they are both tanked without modules, one for speed and the other for hp. Mediums have the flexibility of more slots for varied roles. Message from Godin: Speed is not one at all. Have you not compared the speed stats between medium and light frames and seen the glaring issue that the difference between the two is so comparable it's ridiculous?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 705	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:47:00 - [17] - Quote the answer is on the surface. There is no logic to it and that's why it does not work. There are suits with good bonuses in the form of expansive slot layouts and everyone uses them and suits that have nill fitting capacity and ppl shy away from them. Let's not forget that there are only 3.5 modules in the game that are worth using and definitely only two modules that are worthwhile for the highs - so much for flexibility and situational roles. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 795	Posted - 2013.12.07 17:49:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm curious. How is this justified? scout: we sacrafice fitting slots and HP for speed, stealth, and racial bonus. heavy: scrafices speed strealth and slots for HP and damage. curiously the trade off is never balanced and always a bad Idea. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1661	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:02:00 - [19] - Quote Medium Frames were designed for better versatility While heavies and scouts were designed for specifically one role. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Cloned Soldier Public Disorder. 19	Posted - 2013.12.07 18:17:00 - [20] - Quote I wonder what CCP was thinking when they made the Logi. "Let's give these suits a bunch of PG and CPU and a bunch of slots to fit Logistic stuff!" "Yeah cause we can totally trust mercenaries to not misuse those slots!" You might not remember my name, but you will always remember seeing this signature.

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