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Tau Lai
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.07 14:32:00 -
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I've tried to fly a dropship, since I am a very skillful in videogames playing, and I've flown lots of dropships in science fiction games. Here are the results:
First flight: Suddenly my dropship goes backwards and It collides with a building. It explodes.
Second flight: 10 seconds and suddenly my dropship turns backwards and fall into the ground: It explodes.
Third try: my dropship refuses to accelerate. It explodes.
Fourth try: I try to land on the roof of a building. It explodes. The dropship.
5th: I try to land again, because I am masochist, and my dropship suddenly start to fall. It explodes.
6th: I try to land again on a building. I cannot stop. Wait... I can't... It falls. Onto me.I die. The dropship explodes.
7th: I try to land again. Because I am the King of the masochists. I try to figure out how to stop my ship. I do. It falls and explodes.
8th: This time I make the right move to stop the ship on top of the building. It doesn't. It falls and explodes.
9th: (500.000 isk after, please, make a practique mode). I try to land, my ship goes vertical. It falls. I die below my own dropship.
10th: I try to land in a smaller building. When I try to rotate, the dropship suddenly loses alttitude. It goes down. Explosion.
11th: I get to the top of the building. The droship lands vertically. Yes. Vertically. I cannot retire it.
12th: explosion.
13th: explosion.
14, 15, 16, 17....
20th: Ok. I search google and It looks the problem is not me. I am not alone. Flying a dropship properly is not possible.
Please, redo the dropship controls so It is fun to fly them, and not a pain.
21th: I turn off my ps3. |
Texs Red
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.07 14:54:00 -
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Sounds like you were trying to do things too quickly. Don't do aggressive angles or quick landings, these will cause you to lose control or hit things so hard the ship will blow up (as you found out, several times). If you are going agonizingly slow, you are doing it right for a beginner.
Start off with a militia dropship, they automatically want to stabilize into level flight so they are great to begin with. Get on a map where the redline is well away from the objectives (the new research lab map is good), then try lifting off and landing *gently*. Your dropship is made of wet tissue paper so treat it like it. Don't try to move horizontally at all at this point.
Once you are comfortable that you can take off and land without blowing yourself up then begin to to move left and right at shallow angles (15 degrees tops), give the dropship time to move because it won't react instantly. Think of it like trying to run on ice and you only have some traction. After that you can do them same about moving forward or backwards but remember, shallow angles!
As you get more comfortable with the controls and get a better feel for how the dropship will react to specific input you can begin to be more aggressive with your input because you know exactly what you will get by doing so (and therefore not be surprised when you practically do a barrel roll to avoid a forge gunner) |
Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
166
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Posted - 2013.12.07 17:23:00 -
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Tau Lai wrote:Flying a dropship properly is not possible.
Incorrect.
Personally, while I find some of the physics irritating (primarily how insanely the ships get flung about by even a single round from a Mass Driver, or a single Swarm missile impacting) I generally enjoy flying a dropship. I hate getting shot down by a half-awake AV user...but 1.7 should help! |
forteXVI
89th IMMORTAL ORDER
98
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:27:00 -
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Flying dropships is not impossible, as is properly flying a dropship is not farfetched with these physics, it is a joy flying them if you are patient with them, I have been flying since beta and it took me a while to get where I am today with the piloting of these crafts as I do now. :P
I would recommend watching the videos by JudgeRhadamanthus, He has helped many who are new to the dropship category :)
hope to see you ingame :P
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Shijima Kuraimaru
warravens
League of Infamy
389
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:52:00 -
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It's also important to think of a dropship as a helicopter when flying it as it responds sort of like a simplified CH-46 cargo helicopter.
The forge gun splash radius nerf has not diminished my ability to kill infantry with it. Thank you.
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The-Errorist
Closed For Business
For All Mankind
367
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Posted - 2013.12.07 23:47:00 -
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You can also join the chat channel Condor Squad. We can help you with flying and even give you free dropships and try to set up the best flying conditions (destroying installations) for you in a match before you call in the ship. |
CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.12.09 19:59:00 -
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Tau Lai wrote:I've tried to fly a dropship, since I am a very skillful in videogames playing, and I've flown lots of dropships in science fiction games.
12th: explosion.
13th: explosion.
14, 15, 16, 17....
20th: Ok. I search google and It looks the problem is not me. I am not alone. Flying a dropship properly is not possible.
21th: I turn off my ps3.
 Tau Lai, THANK YOU for bringing back memories for SO MANY (maybe ALL) players who tried to learn a Dust dropship.
My words are only poor echoes of what you have already read here:
1-- The dropship learning period is FRUSTRATING (think yelling at your boyfriend when it was the GAME you were actually wanting to yell at---yep, THAT frustrating), BUT... we who stuck to it and learned it feel SO crazy-cool happy over how well we can handle it now.
2-- 21 tries is NO WHERE NEARLY ENOUGH tries. If you want to talk to these "pilots", they'll tell you it was 21 WEEKS before they got anywhere near to "capable" with this vehicle.
3-- (And this is maybe my most controversial opinion), If you keep thinking "flying" and want to be a "pilot", you are doing yourself an injustice. A "pilot" controls an aerodynamic object that uses air current and pressure physics to get around (I have accused many DS "pilots" of being just over-fantasizers who really want to be flying the sub-orbital fighters glimpsed in the early Dust design sketches--they're hoping to use the DS as some kind of poor-man's FA-18, and the foot merc's confidence in the DS's potential has suffered partly because of this behavior from us).
Continuing to try to "move" the DS like a plane will handicap you. One post here says think more like a heavy-helicopter, and yes that's a LITTLE better thinking.
But both plane and helos work on AIR pressure balance.... And the DS, well, best as I can figure with the lore about Gallente and Caldari technology, is working on MAGNETIC-PUSH or MAGNETIC-REPELLING. It never flies anywhere--it has to be balanced (8 or 10, last I counted) thrusting magnetic ports, even two or so on the roof, that "SQUEEZE" or "HOLD" it in a place or hold it while travelling. Every time you want to change your position, or an impact changes it for you, you have to HOLD it stable as you tip it into its new posture.
I get my best performance out of the DS when I think of it as a....(don't laugh),...a horse. The moment you saddle it, you have jiggle its reins to keep it from dancing around--have to make it stand still and pay attention to you, pull hard and assertive but not abusively to whoa, and giddy up early to get round the hill before you catch buckshot. Patience is everything, cuz she's a stubborn and jittery animal---you gotta keep tugging reins even when she's supposed to be standing still cuz she responds best to a direct assertive tugs, NOT to long gentle pulls on the controls. (saddling a horse, means a little bit rougher treatment than a plane or helo).
Keep trying, Tau. We need a new influx of dropship drivers, because, well.... a percentage of us good ones didn't survive the patch changes frustration,... and a percentage of what remains well, (shhh, are not as good as they tell themselves.... perhaps time will tell which category I fit in). |
Pipsa Possu
Rautaleijona
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.09 20:18:00 -
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Been there, done that! I haven't even counted the ISK I've spent to learn to fly these....and wait, the fun doesn't stop there. Once you master the basic dropships wait until you try to get your head around that aggressive assault dropship. Took another few millions of ISK to learn to shoot with that thing without dropping out of the sky...and no I'm still no good at it either. |
Jack Galen
8thDivision
1
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Posted - 2013.12.11 00:46:00 -
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Ah, but this is the best part of the dropship!
It means that when you do master it, you have a specific skill. Not everyone can just jump in and do your job, you are useful as a PILOT. Trust me, we've all been in the learning stage, and yes, it is highly frustrating!
As for advice, think just like a helicopter - having flown both, I can certainly say that they react similarly. Tis but a hunk of metal on top of a column of thrust. Make slow, smooth inputs to the controls, and don't try to fly it like it is the most maneuverable beast in the world; physics absolutely applies to them! |
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