DUST Search - [Feedback/Request] LP % bonuses should be skill based not AURUM Pay to Win

Lt Royal wrote:

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

Lt Royal wrote:

SponkSponkSponk wrote:

I read your post but the arguments were unconvincing.

-1.

Then you obviously have no idea how the player market is going to work or you really don't care...

I'm going to stop you right there.

You do realize you need ISK to covert LP into LP Gear. That means if you are amassing huge quantities of LP you are going to need to grind ISK at an even greater rate to make use of the LP stockpile. Grinding LP at high quantities is only going to be beneficial for PC veterans sitting on huge stockpiles of ISK. However, this will be an ISK sink for those players, as you know adjustments are being made to District clone production which lessens the amount of ISK these districts produce.

TL:DR The Market will eventually right itself out with the ISK sink mechanics.

I see where you're tring to go there but no; people who will have an increased LP through boosters or skills will be on top of the secondary market if they are smart about it.

Having the extra LP (that you get from boosters) will let you undercut everyone elses LP items that are upon the market for a cheaper price seeing as it costed them less to buy said item. Its the same way in eve; if you want to make ISK though LPGÇÖs competitively (buying the items off the store, working out how much ISK per LP it is and reselling those items on the market) you need to be invest in those skills that net you higher LP, so you have that edge over everyone else.

What IGÇÖm trying to say; if you're going to be competitive in the secondary market, you have no hope unless you invest in LP Boosters, which is really stupid, thus making ISK off LP is Pay to Win.

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Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 598	Posted - 2013.12.09 08:54:00 - [31] - Quote +1 I support the idea of the booster increasing you standing instead of LP. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 640	Posted - 2013.12.09 14:53:00 - [32] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: I read your post but the arguments were unconvincing. -1. Then you obviously have no idea how the player market is going to work or you really don't care... I'm going to stop you right there. You do realize you need ISK to covert LP into LP Gear. That means if you are amassing huge quantities of LP you are going to need to grind ISK at an even greater rate to make use of the LP stockpile. Grinding LP at high quantities is only going to be beneficial for PC veterans sitting on huge stockpiles of ISK. However, this will be an ISK sink for those players, as you know adjustments are being made to District clone production which lessens the amount of ISK these districts produce. TL:DR The Market will eventually right itself out with the ISK sink mechanics. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2182	Posted - 2013.12.09 16:56:00 - [33] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Lt Royal wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: I read your post but the arguments were unconvincing. -1. Then you obviously have no idea how the player market is going to work or you really don't care... I'm going to stop you right there. You do realize you need ISK to covert LP into LP Gear. That means if you are amassing huge quantities of LP you are going to need to grind ISK at an even greater rate to make use of the LP stockpile. Grinding LP at high quantities is only going to be beneficial for PC veterans sitting on huge stockpiles of ISK. However, this will be an ISK sink for those players, as you know adjustments are being made to District clone production which lessens the amount of ISK these districts produce. TL:DR The Market will eventually right itself out with the ISK sink mechanics. I see where you're tring to go there but no; people who will have an increased LP through boosters or skills will be on top of the secondary market if they are smart about it. Having the extra LP (that you get from boosters) will let you undercut everyone elses LP items that are upon the market for a cheaper price seeing as it costed them less to buy said item. Its the same way in eve; if you want to make ISK though LPGÇÖs competitively (buying the items off the store, working out how much ISK per LP it is and reselling those items on the market) you need to be invest in those skills that net you higher LP, so you have that edge over everyone else. What IGÇÖm trying to say; if you're going to be competitive in the secondary market, you have no hope unless you invest in LP Boosters, which is really stupid, thus making ISK off LP is Pay to Win. Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Test Alliance Best Alliance Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Nomzi FemmeFatality 8	Posted - 2013.12.09 22:47:00 - [34] - Quote I like how some say that this makes CCP greedy. Like others have said, they must make money somehow, and a 25% booster is not going too far. It's quite tame. People are always looking for things to complaint about. Be grateful that they have even implemented this feature! Is this really so bad??
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2186	Posted - 2013.12.09 23:15:00 - [35] - Quote Nomzi wrote: I like how some say that this makes CCP greedy. Like others have said, they must make money somehow, and a 25% booster is not going too far. It's quite tame. People are always looking for things to complain about. Be grateful that they have even implemented this feature! Is this really so bad?? Facepalm, Yes it is and around 15,000 LP difference. - There are so, so, so many different (easy) ways CCP can easily make their money from this game and many of those different ways have been suggested all over this part of the forums. To name a few; Cosmetic items for the Merc Quarters, PS Home cosmetic items, Aurum sales and discounts etc. I mean its not like people don't buy extra Aurum or more SP Boosters, heck I sure as hell do! I very rarely complain about anything in this game, seeing as IGÇÖm loving the ways thing are going and I know this game will be awesome in the future as EVE had similar problems early in its development! Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Test Alliance Best Alliance Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2198	Posted - 2013.12.09 23:34:00 - [36] - Quote Wait, so you're saying FW items will be super cheap? Awesome. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2187	Posted - 2013.12.09 23:59:00 - [37] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Wait, so you're saying FW items will be super cheap? Awesome. Exactly, but for anyone who wants to enter the competitive secondary market for LP items, youGÇÖll be already screwed over if youGÇÖre not using LP Boosters..... Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Test Alliance Best Alliance Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 644	Posted - 2013.12.10 01:40:00 - [38] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Lt Royal wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: I read your post but the arguments were unconvincing. -1. Then you obviously have no idea how the player market is going to work or you really don't care... I'm going to stop you right there. You do realize you need ISK to covert LP into LP Gear. That means if you are amassing huge quantities of LP you are going to need to grind ISK at an even greater rate to make use of the LP stockpile. Grinding LP at high quantities is only going to be beneficial for PC veterans sitting on huge stockpiles of ISK. However, this will be an ISK sink for those players, as you know adjustments are being made to District clone production which lessens the amount of ISK these districts produce. TL:DR The Market will eventually right itself out with the ISK sink mechanics. I see where you're tring to go there but no; people who will have an increased LP through boosters or skills will be on top of the secondary market if they are smart about it. Having the extra LP (that you get from boosters) will let you undercut everyone elses LP items that are upon the market for a cheaper price seeing as it costed them less to buy said item. Its the same way in eve; if you want to make ISK though LPGÇÖs competitively (buying the items off the store, working out how much ISK per LP it is and reselling those items on the market) you need to be invest in those skills that net you higher LP, so you have that edge over everyone else. What IGÇÖm trying to say; if you're going to be competitive in the secondary market, you have no hope unless you invest in LP Boosters, which is really stupid, thus making ISK off LP is Pay to Win. Then let them be on top! This is a freaking free to play game for crying out loud. If someone recognizes an opportunity let them pay for it and take advantage of it--all the while providing CCP with funds which in turn help to develop new content which we are all clamoring for. In order to establish that point you keep driving that you can be killed by the market, I will personally run a discount sale on my uber massive Core Locus Grenade Stockpile for players who mention 'Lt Royal' on their order request. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
MySpaceTom Xer Cloud Consortium 79	Posted - 2013.12.10 01:42:00 - [39] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: In order to establish that point you keep driving that you can be killed by the market, I will personally run a discount sale on my uber massive Core Locus Grenade Stockpile for players who mention 'Lt Royal' on their order request. Lolz! Nice Jadek. 4920616d204a6164656b204d656e616865696d277320526167696e672042696c652044756374
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2188	Posted - 2013.12.10 05:35:00 - [40] - Quote MySpaceTom wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: In order to establish that point you keep driving that you can be killed by the market, I will personally run a discount sale on my uber massive Core Locus Grenade Stockpile for players who mention 'Lt Royal' on their order request. Lolz! Nice Jadek. LOL! Yeh Core Grenade kills are funny. I wish we had a bounty system where the people you have bounties on will appear above their head, so we can actually meet up and battle it out. Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Test Alliance Best Alliance Gÿ£GÿàGÿP

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 650	Posted - 2013.12.10 14:28:00 - [41] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: MySpaceTom wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: In order to establish that point you keep driving that you can be killed by the market, I will personally run a discount sale on my uber massive Core Locus Grenade Stockpile for players who mention 'Lt Royal' on their order request. Lolz! Nice Jadek. LOL! Yeh Core Grenade kills are funny. I wish we had a bounty system where the people you have bounties on will appear above their head, so we can actually meet up and battle it out. While I approve of such a service, I'm not saying I would win in a fight against you. I am the Ferengi of Dust after all. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1410	Posted - 2013.12.10 15:06:00 - [42] - Quote I'm not 100% sure that the LP boost will be that terrible for the market, but it is something that should be watched. A good compromise might be to move that bonus into social skills and make the booster only give you the standings boost. Maybe let it give a small (very small) boost to LP on lost matches. This would make it something to help keep your standings up when someone wants to play both sides of a war and act as insurance against poor payouts.
Nomzi FemmeFatality 10	Posted - 2013.12.12 04:15:00 - [43] - Quote Lt R, tell me how easy it is for you to reach higher standings, especially 10, and maintain it. We are speaking about the market hypothetically being in jeopardy, but consider the fact that people have to be consistently winning, focused, dedicated, and skilled, and boosters don't buy or aid that. :P


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