For you to regen shields, you need to be out of the line of fire, right? If you get hit while your shield is recharging, the delay is reset, and if you're getting hit and eating into armor, the delay is even longer.

So you don't think an armor tanker can duck back into cover, throw down a Wiyrkomi or Allotek triage hive, and get repped faster than it takes for your full shield to recharge?

If he has competent logis behind him, he doesn't even need to duck back into cover. He can stand in the open, soaking up damage and dealing it at the same time.

When shield tankers' shields are down, they have no choice but to hide and wait. Armor tankers don't need to do this.

Repair nanohives and core reppers.

Here's my build:

Assault gk.0
2x Complex Light Damage Modifiers
1x Basic Sidearm Damage Modifier
2x Enhanced Ferroscale Plates
2x Enhanced Armor Plates
Duvolle Assault Rifle
Syndicate SMG
M1 Locus Grenades
Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive

Total HP 764 (150 shields 614 armor). Speed is 4.87 m/s walking, 7.16 m/s sprint (-.13 and -.19 vs. the Cal Assault).

Not positive, but I think that repair hives heal once every second (it might be longer though). But for argument's sake, let's say it's 70 HP/sec. The hive will heal me from zero to full in 8.8 seconds, plus maybe a 4 second delay to deploy it and activate it, so 12.8 seconds total. After 16 seconds, my 150 shield is repped as well.

Even with your regulators, going from zero to full shields will take 20.47 seconds, and you have no means self of armor rep.

Once we engage each other again, I have 70 HP/sec at my disposal whenever I duck back into cover, or if I'm just peeking out of cover. This also gets me triage points if teammates happen to be nearby.

What if the logi is also armor tanking? What if it's two armor/damage tanked Gal Logis, each with proto reppers, trading off being the slayer?

Good luck fluxing that!

Right, and this is why no one uses nanohives in game - because everyone destroys them so easily.

Get all your cores up, and your explosives/light weapon to a decent level - maybe 4. The Gal Assault also benefits from the light weapon fitting bonus.

Kane, all I have to say to you is, "easier said than done". Seems to me that by your logic, you should be the most OP person in the game because you can always just sneak up behind someone and shoot them in the back. Get real.

You can't always get close enough to flux nanohives or core people (without dying).

You can't always sneak around someone, particularly with the number of scanners in the game.

You can't always MD because explosives need line of sight on the nano to destroy it.

You can't always kill the logi because smart logis move while repping, and chances are that if you have LOS on the logi, the slayer has LOS on you.

If he's running a shield fit he likely is short on CPU/PG to run an ADV scanner. Again better off throw two basic plates on instead of properly setting up a shield fit.

Basic sidearm damage mod?
wut?
That's 3%, that's worthless.

In addition, Wiyrkomi triage hives are:
1. Limited
2. You can't have ammo with them
3. Can get destroyed

Shield users teaching me how to armor tank in a nutshell:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=729245

Odd, when I click it, it doesn't work.
But when I copy pasta it to the browser it works.

Right, and a single basic flux will wipe out any infantry's shields.

Cat, I added the basic sidearm damage mod because there was nothing else to put there and still have a valid fitting (aside from shield stuff). Better than leaving a slot empty. I also wanted to keep the same weapons/grenade that you had. If I dropped the sidearm mod I can put Core Locus in there instead - would you like that better?

The point of that build was to make an armor tanker fit that A) had more EHP than you and B) had equitable speed. It's not a lone wolf fit, and needs team support to work. Logi squad support would be best.

But let's face it - if you're an armor tanker, you're rocking what, 10-15 HP/sec regen? This isn't going to help you much if you don't have a high enough buffer, and logi reps or external reps are far more efficient than sitting and waiting for 40 seconds.

The bottom line is - if you want to be a solo, lone wolf killer, shields are best. If you have squad support, armor is best.

If a full squad of shield suits went up against a full squad of armor suits with reppers, which would win?

One flux grenade and the entire shield squad is pissing their pants because they're at 20% of their usual HP.

Fluxes that can go through cover, btw.

And in case you didn't know, brick tanking with shields instead of damage mods can mitigate much of the damage from even Core Locus grenades. It won't be much benefit if you are damage tanking with rep tools on you, so I didn't mention this before.

You really think so? REALLY?

Shield merc ducks into cover after shields are down. Can't get back into the fight for another 20 seconds.

Armor merc yells I NEED REPS! and logi puts away his weapon to repair the merc - taking all of what, 10 seconds? The logi can either choose to triage him and another merc, giving them 70 HP/sec constant regen with the Lai Dai Flux, or switch back to his gun.

All the while your squads are exchanging fire, and the armor squad's damage dealt is perhaps 10-15% higher due to their ability to stack damage mods while still maintaining a high buffer.

You're trying to put shields at an equal level with armor, probably as a damage control measure to prevent an armor nerf. But armor is better than shields in the current build.

All right. Done trying to reason with you guys - you win. Shields are the best, they are the way to go. Everyone should tank all shields and regulators. Cal Logi is OP, etc. etc.

Guess that explains why so many people are running Cal Logi with high shields/low armor, instead of Gal Logi with low shields/high armor.

It all makes sense now.

Thanks for the clarification.