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Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4028	Posted - 2013.12.06 09:57:00 - [1] - Quote Now that I'm done with class (I passed, go me) I have a bit more time to refocus my efforts on testing again. That being said I decided to help tackle one of the larger issues in the game that just about everyone has experienced and would like the entire community to assist in that endeavor, if at all possible. Here's where we start. As you can see, I've categorized everything into color code with yellow and green being the general topics for each individual aspect that could be related to PC lag. Red color coding is a detrimental effect while blue is a beneficial one. The majority of these need even more extensive testing as we've only just begin to hard-core test this stuff out but I'm confident in what we have currently being at least somewhat accurate. I'll get on with it and present the first evidence toward our tests. Testing nanohive/drop-uplink spam. Recorded with potato. Unfortunately, this guy (myself) doesn't own a PVR or any method of recording PS3 gameplay - so I'm restricted to using external measures. This works out to some degree, however, as it helps reduce any interference in the recording and only shows what I was seeing on my television screen. 0:00 - 0:20 assistant ran along crosswalk, which we used as our control; facing the cluster of equipment. 0:20 - 0:33 same test but this time in the center of the cluster. Noticed a framerate decrease, though slight. 0:33 - 0:50 there was significantly better performance 0:50 - 1:30 testing looking toward the cluster and away from the cluster. Notable differences. 1:30 - 1:48 testing distance from cluster; nanohives disappear at this point 1:48 - 1:54 testing minimap disappearance; cluster disappears at this point 1:54 - 2:15 nothing of relevance 2:15 - 2:28 framerate decreases again as visual effects begin on screen 2:28 - 2:56 testing framerate using weapon fire-rate and magazine ammo readout (lower right) to gauge HUD differences when looking toward and away from cluster. So, that being said, this is just the beginning of the testing and I do intend to test more extensively when I have more resources. This test was somewhat skewed as we only had four people participating in the equipment spam and it was on a domination match (pub-match, obviously). Right now I'm trying to convince my corporation and our alliance to participate in makeshift "mass tests" in which I'm likely to pay people in ISK for participating in order to truly stress test all of this in a better situation; I.E a legitimate PC match, preferably inside an outpost (aka: 'city'). How can you help? - Post suggestions on testing criteria; things you think may be causing it or potential aid in reducing lag events. - Post suggestions or even videos of your own testing methods if you feel it's more practical. - Spread the word, let people know of what we (the community) are doing and invite them to assist. - Post your comments and feedback, we could always use the encouragement forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames) 1544109 (Advertisement) 1556863 (Packs) 1570030
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 558	Posted - 2013.12.06 10:16:00 - [2] - Quote We could help, except, you know. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4028	Posted - 2013.12.06 10:18:00 - [3] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: We could help, except, you know. Haha, yeah - I considered that (hence the network category) but there'd be a loooooot of sweet talking to make that happen considering recent events >_>;;; forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 186	Posted - 2013.12.06 10:21:00 - [4] - Quote Good stuff. Does this mean CCP don't know what the issues are? And are there two issues? Framerate and lag? Are they different? Is the centre of your diagram "Lag" just a generic name for adverse gameplay events that slows something down? Not sure if you've got team / squad chat covered as a source of lag (in the form of network latency). And does the number of mercs with mics actually switched on affect this...and if so, does using push to talk reduce any lag? Also, I would assume the teams from around the world problem manifests itself only when you're not on your "home" server. The guys who are wouldn't perceive much change? PS. Congrats on passing your exams / coursework!
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4028	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:03:00 - [5] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Good stuff. Does this mean CCP don't know what the issues are? And are there two issues? Framerate and lag? Are they different? Is the centre of your diagram "Lag" just a generic name for adverse gameplay events that slows something down? Not sure if you've got team / squad chat covered as a source of lag (in the form of network latency). And does the number of mercs with mics actually switched on affect this...and if so, does using push to talk reduce any lag? Also, I would assume the teams from around the world problem manifests itself only when you're not on your "home" server. The guys who are wouldn't perceive much change? PS. Congrats on passing your exams / coursework! I'm sure that CCP is getting closer to finding out what it is but it's been an on-going investigation ever since Uprising was released six-seven months ago. I am considering framerate and lag to be one in the same as it's any real detriment toward the smooth performance of a match. There are a -lot- of variables to consider and anything we, the players, can do to narrow it down can do nothing but help find a solution. I will definitely add team/squad chat concerns to the chart as it is something that needs to be tested - whether it's better or worse on team/squad chat compared to a user-made channel. Voice comms is definitely going to need several runs of testing to actually work out, I feel. As far as world location - we just recently got out of a war with The Southern Legion who is based mostly in the Australia/New Zealand area (if I'm not mistaken) and while it did generally suck not getting the home server, we'd often hear reports of the other side experiencing lag as well. There is a difference in network and framerate lag, of course but again we're looking to have both of them ironed out. PS. Thanks! I worked really hard on it ^_^ forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 264	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:05:00 - [6] - Quote Allot of equipment placed around the supply depot seems to create lag in the new Gallente city map. I just finished a match that got laggy, sneaked into the compound and found 15-20 droplinks plus some nano hives dropped around the supply depot. Lag went away as I destroyed all the quipment and game was again playable.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4028	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:15:00 - [7] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: Allot of equipment placed around the supply depot seems to create lag in the new Gallente city map. I just finished a match that got laggy, sneaked into the compound and found 15-20 droplinks plus some nano hives dropped around the supply depot. Lag went away as I destroyed all the quipment and game was again playable. Yeah, definitely seems to have to do with the socket infrastructure - probably due to the mass of textures and static meshes involved. I'm arranging for a legitimate testing environment in the form of a fake PC match on a surface research lab to try and narrow all of it down but it won't be for a few days. Updated with new testing categories. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 186	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:13:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Good stuff. Does this mean CCP don't know what the issues are? And are there two issues? Framerate and lag? Are they different? Is the centre of your diagram "Lag" just a generic name for adverse gameplay events that slows something down? Not sure if you've got team / squad chat covered as a source of lag (in the form of network latency). And does the number of mercs with mics actually switched on affect this...and if so, does using push to talk reduce any lag? Also, I would assume the teams from around the world problem manifests itself only when you're not on your "home" server. The guys who are wouldn't perceive much change? PS. Congrats on passing your exams / coursework! I'm sure that CCP is getting closer to finding out what it is but it's been an on-going investigation ever since Uprising was released six-seven months ago. I am considering framerate and lag to be one in the same as it's any real detriment toward the smooth performance of a match. There are a -lot- of variables to consider and anything we, the players, can do to narrow it down can do nothing but help find a solution. I will definitely add team/squad chat concerns to the chart as it is something that needs to be tested - whether it's better or worse on team/squad chat compared to a user-made channel. Voice comms is definitely going to need several runs of testing to actually work out, I feel. As far as world location - we just recently got out of a war with The Southern Legion who is based mostly in the Australia/New Zealand area (if I'm not mistaken) and while it did generally suck not getting the home server, we'd often hear reports of the other side experiencing lag as well. There is a difference in network and framerate lag, of course but again we're looking to have both of them ironed out. PS. Thanks! I worked really hard on it ^_^ The Southern Legion is my old corp (great bunch), and they withdrew from PC (ages ago) due to lag issues. I'd say they've generally seen far more lag than others appear to have done. It would be great if you guys could get on board with testing stuff out, coz they are great guinea pigs for your tests and there's plenty of them ;-) [edit] Wow I wouldn't have thought of all the things you did in that apparently simple addition of the voice chat node to your diagram. Do you think that belongs under the network node though?
ReGnYuM Vindictive State 1433	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:15:00 - [9] - Quote Here to help o7 the cause Also have working PVR if needed Skype: C_For_corruption PSN: C_for_corruption Edit: I also have a PS3 with a SSD and HDD hooked up to dust If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Minmatar Crub Stomp
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 558	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:16:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah sometimes I get <1 FPS in PC matches. One time the frame rate was so bad I couldn't find my way out of the room I spawned in and finished the battle 0/1. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace

Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 294	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:28:00 - [11] - Quote Cant really say changing ingame graphics help with it, tried low and high on both and for some reason i even have the feeling high works better than low another one bites the Dust...
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4029	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:28:00 - [12] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Good stuff. Does this mean CCP don't know what the issues are? And are there two issues? Framerate and lag? Are they different? Is the centre of your diagram "Lag" just a generic name for adverse gameplay events that slows something down? Not sure if you've got team / squad chat covered as a source of lag (in the form of network latency). And does the number of mercs with mics actually switched on affect this...and if so, does using push to talk reduce any lag? Also, I would assume the teams from around the world problem manifests itself only when you're not on your "home" server. The guys who are wouldn't perceive much change? PS. Congrats on passing your exams / coursework! I'm sure that CCP is getting closer to finding out what it is but it's been an on-going investigation ever since Uprising was released six-seven months ago. I am considering framerate and lag to be one in the same as it's any real detriment toward the smooth performance of a match. There are a -lot- of variables to consider and anything we, the players, can do to narrow it down can do nothing but help find a solution. I will definitely add team/squad chat concerns to the chart as it is something that needs to be tested - whether it's better or worse on team/squad chat compared to a user-made channel. Voice comms is definitely going to need several runs of testing to actually work out, I feel. As far as world location - we just recently got out of a war with The Southern Legion who is based mostly in the Australia/New Zealand area (if I'm not mistaken) and while it did generally suck not getting the home server, we'd often hear reports of the other side experiencing lag as well. There is a difference in network and framerate lag, of course but again we're looking to have both of them ironed out. PS. Thanks! I worked really hard on it ^_^ The Southern Legion is my old corp (great bunch), and they withdrew from PC (ages ago) due to lag issues. I'd say they've generally seen far more lag than others appear to have done. It would be great if you guys could get on board with testing stuff out, coz they are great guinea pigs for your tests and there's plenty of them ;-) [edit] Wow I wouldn't have thought of all the things you did in that apparently simple addition of the voice chat node to your diagram. Do you think that belongs under the network node though? Not necessarily. Voice comms are through Vivox and logic dictates that Vivox, being a voice provider, probably wouldn't have anything to do with the Battleservers that the matches take place on. They're separate issues that symptomatic of a larger disease. While the same could be said for being listed in the sound channels category (in-game sounds and voice being separate issues as well) it's easier to categorize it that way. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4029	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:29:00 - [13] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: Cant really say changing ingame graphics help with it, tried low and high on both and for some reason i even have the feeling high works better than low Right, I've fiddled with the settings a bit and saw literally no change in graphical quality what-so-ever; thing it might just be a feature that hasn't been implemented. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1537	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:35:00 - [14] - Quote Someone mentioned something about sound being the issue. For instance, the second you get far enough away to not hear the sound, the lag goes away. Also, try testing in a building vs out in the open. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 7	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:37:00 - [15] - Quote Hi, I just recently returned from a 3 month vacation from Dust, after leaving in dismay at what the previous Imperfects did to my former home of D3lta forc3. Back when PC first started I was ringing minimum 8 PCs a day for nearly two weeks as I was one of DF previous FC's and it seems to me that even as I play the game now (about 2-6 PC's a day) not much has changed in PC game performance. It seems to run a slight bit smoother, of course that could just be because there is not 43 PC battles per hour anymore it seems. But rather the server these games are held on needs a boost. Again I'm rarely new here again so don't try to bust my ass for it, but before I left I was told these PCs were held on the the same glitchy, bug ridden, latency like a blocked corroted artery, corp battle servers. It shouldn't be as much CCP needs to fix the lag and things, its they need to fix the servers. Realisticly when is the last time you ever jumped into a public match, and the textures in front of you didn't render, or your frame rate dropped to below 10 fps, or you black screened just by spawning in. And yet on the PC field, this is every single game. Also, it seems when we play a small corp that isn't stacked with talent aka not 16 full proto the game runs all too smooth. Yet go against any all proto team and you might as well have your finger on the power button for a restart. This is a MAJOR PROBLEM and has been for months even before PC because corp battles did the SAME EXACT THING, and has caused much of the people to leave the game of dust and caused CCP to lose potentially millions in future revenue, as I'm hard pressed to find ANYONE that has spent aurum within the last month or so, as many don't deem it necessas with how crap the PC gameplay is. But frankly I see lag in PCs anywhere I go. Simply going from an outside objective to an inside one halfway through the battle even with no equipment in the 'city' will throw my PlayStation into total and utter disarray of barely 1 fps. Simple things like jumping off s building will sometimes do this, or just moving too much back and forth across the map in general. If I'm wrong please correct me But this is corporation lives that CCP is just leaving up in the air to who can survive against the lag the longest. That is why no one wants to wage all out war at the moment, because it won't be who is better that wins, it will be who's better and controls the lag and frankly, I could give two *** about fw 2.0 ATM, when all anyone is gonna be doing is fighting for weapons to use in PC battles just so they can lose them to the lag. Frankly, people should want to look up to PC matches as something as an accomplishment. Finally getting all those months worth of skill points grinding it out to get your proto suit up to snuff, to be handpicked out of your corp to fight and represent themin battle. To step into that warbarge with 7:50 left on the clock to joke and strategize. Counting the seconds till that clock hits 0. Just so you can fly into a city with 4 fps, your FC disconnect from the game along with your main forge gunner, then enemy take the top of the towers, you lag so much you ccan't move, and your entire team is plungedbinto disarray. I'm tired of this. If I ever made a game with a mode as important as PC that *** would be 1080p 60fps with custom maps, not this garbage of an attempt at world conquering. Frankly, I've gone into pub matches with squads in which we spammed hives to get ammo to everyone, and once such occasion my friend dropped over 145 hives spread across the map from a supply depot, and not once did my frame rate drop low enough I was hindered while killing. Looking at or away. Yet throw down a few hives in PC and you might as well have your hand on your power cable to unplug it from the wall. And the lag seems to gradually increase as a PC progresses. So overall CCP needs to get on the ball. This isn't a 'new' problem, its been around for longer than half a year now and still no fixes. Tons of people have left the game because of this, this is why PC is governed by 50-100 person corps instead of what used to be 750-1500 person corps. The only reasons I even play PCs anymore is A. I like playing against the best and killing them. B. I like to hang out with other corps when I ring for them. C. I like getting payed. In fact I've been paid over 150 mil in the past 3 weeks I've been with 0.H. which is pretty nice. But I digress, I wish you all well with your pursuits at finding a potential fix with these issues, but overall I think its ccps fault to manage this crisis. I mean I love dust, but let's be reasonable, have you really ever had to restart your system just to play a game before? Blame it on the outdated as all hell Unreal Engine yo.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 723	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:43:00 - [16] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Someone mentioned something about sound being the issue. For instance, the second you get far enough away to not hear the sound, the lag goes away. Also, try testing in a building vs out in the open. And would you mind to test if setting music/SFX levels in DUST client to 0 prevents the lag? The settings can be accessed from NeoComm menu while in-battle. Here is that "lag & sound" association thread by Jadd Hatchen: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1560294#post1560294 F.E.A.R. stands for False Expectations Assumed Real
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4035	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:54:00 - [17] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Someone mentioned something about sound being the issue. For instance, the second you get far enough away to not hear the sound, the lag goes away. Also, try testing in a building vs out in the open. And would you mind to test if setting music/SFX levels in DUST client to 0 prevents the lag? The settings can be accessed from NeoComm menu while in-battle. Here is that "lag & sound" association thread by Jadd Hatchen: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1560294#post1560294 It's all on the list - I just haven't updated the chart yet. I personally play with music set to zero but even before I made that change I rarely experienced anything hardcore in the lag department unless I'm coming up on an objective that is littered to hell and back with equipment; which usually gets cleared up after a few flux grenades or an EMP strike. Another thing we're going to be looking at is PS3 Model as that could also be a factor, as well as SSD and HDD implementation. There's a lot of stuff we're going to be covering and I've maybe a day to organize every little, minor thing before we move on to the actual testing phase. As I said in the IRC, thank god we're not having to look at the Xbox 360 as a factor as well xD forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 742	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:10:00 - [18] - Quote There are people wh already know how to manufacture the frame rate drop. The key is to find these people and make them talk.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 723	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:10:00 - [19] - Quote Just one thing to make myself clear on settings: music and SFX have separate settings. Setting music to 0 does not set SFX to 0. You should still hear equipement sounds, gunshots, vehicles etc if music is set to 0. To mute ALL sounds in DUST client both setings must be set to 0. I wonder why there is no limitation for active equipement in DUST? Wouldn't it be nice if TacNet gave warnings when somebody wants to activate another hive/uplink on top of 5-10 active or so? If warning is ignored all present and newly deployed hives/uplinks go away with a brief flash and puff of smoke F.E.A.R. stands for False Expectations Assumed Real
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 810	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:20:00 - [20] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Someone mentioned something about sound being the issue. For instance, the second you get far enough away to not hear the sound, the lag goes away. ^ This has to be tested. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 811	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:23:00 - [21] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Just one thing to make myself clear on settings: music and SFX have separate settings. Setting music to 0 does not set SFX to 0. You should still hear equipement sounds, gunshots, vehicles etc if music is set to 0. To mute ALL sounds in DUST client both setings must be set to 0. Im assuming setting SFX to volume "0" does not actually turn sounds off, it just scales sound with a factor 0 (hence no output signal). In this case, the sound effects are still "rendered" by the PS3 CPU, and if this is the cause of lag, it might not work to set the volume to 0 to fix it. But hey, always worth a try. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4036	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:30:00 - [22] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Someone mentioned something about sound being the issue. For instance, the second you get far enough away to not hear the sound, the lag goes away. ^ This has to be tested. If this were the case than we would have experienced a continuous framerate dip in the video I presented during the third run along the crosswalk. The frame-rate improved when I looked away from the NH/DU cluster with the sound still playing through my headset. If you're far enough away for the sound to dissipate, it's likely you're far enough away that the visual effects have ceased to render. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1315	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:47:00 - [23] - Quote +1 Aeon. I'm at the 'use it or lose it point' with three weeks of holidays due to me at work so will have time to devote to being a PC-lag testing lab rat. Dustmail me with a little warning and i can be availiable for sessions. I support SP rollover.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3981	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:49:00 - [24] - Quote On this topic, along with the automatic crash report system, could we get a manual means of sending game data back to CCP? Imagine how much easier testing like this would be if Aeon and his assistants could do all of this and then pack it all into a bug report via a button in the client. I realize the client can't log everything constantly due to hardware constraints and that just being a lot of wasted files, but what if you could turn on and then off again a log function inside the client for certain time periods? That way people having issues during a PC match could turn that on to log what's going wrong, and then send that back to you rather than having to do the trial-and-error approach we're forced to use right now. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Moorian Flav Ectype Inc. 104	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:56:00 - [25] - Quote Glad to see proof that equipment spam causes lag (as I've been saying for weeks now). Furthermore, you proven this is an exploit that help defenders defend as those defending look away from the spam (less lag) while those attacking have to face the spam to attack (more lag). Therefore, two good points proven off of one test. I hope this will urge CCP to get off their... hands and code something to limit number of active equipment per player/team.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4038	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:59:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: On this topic, along with the automatic crash report system, could we get a manual means of sending game data back to CCP? Imagine how much easier testing like this would be if Aeon and his assistants could do all of this and then pack it all into a bug report via a button in the client. I realize the client can't log everything constantly due to hardware constraints and that just being a lot of wasted files, but what if you could turn on and then off again a log function inside the client for certain time periods? That way people having issues during a PC match could turn that on to log what's going wrong, and then send that back to you rather than having to do the trial-and-error approach we're forced to use right now. As said in Skype, CCP automatically collects this kind of data - they have to in order to backtrack on bugs that occur in pub-matches and the like. All they really need is information to help pinpoint which match it is, like what game-mode you were playing, the time it occurred and pictures/video. Once the battle is scheduled we'll be getting a hold of CCP and informing them when the match will take place so they know exactly what to look for ahead of time. I'd like CCP to be present for the test so they can see first-hand and maybe help us out with various factors but I understand that they're time is important in other areas and this isn't feasible or practical when they can simply look over the data log and go from there. Thank you for reminding me though, I need to write all of that down so I don't forget. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 723	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:59:00 - [27] - Quote Some games has "Report" option (Like in LBP upon pressing SELECT button). I bet CCP logs lot's of things happening in matches (player movements vectors, buttons pressed, etc). I wonder if that data allows them to actually "re-create" that match from logged data. All that report option would need to deliver is a "time-space" coordinates in battles logs database for devs to pinpoint the exact match and moment plus player comment field to point an issue. F.E.A.R. stands for False Expectations Assumed Real
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4038	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:05:00 - [28] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Some games has "Report" option (Like in LBP upon pressing SELECT button). I bet CCP logs lot's of things happening in matches (player movements vectors, buttons pressed, etc). I wonder if that data allows them to actually "re-create" that match from logged data. All that report option would need to deliver is a "time-space" coordinates in battles logs database for devs to pinpoint the exact match and moment plus player comment field to point an issue. I think a report function would be somewhat needless and unnecessary as it would detract dev hours from other things for something that we can already do. It's rudimentary, yes, but it's no less effective. Maybe after we get PC Lag fixed xD forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 723	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:20:00 - [29] - Quote If your effort will help CCP to axe that lag bug, I wouldn't mind if you were rewarded with some in-game gear I hope CCP will appreciate your commitment Good luck F.E.A.R. stands for False Expectations Assumed Real
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4040	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:26:00 - [30] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: If your effort will help CCP to axe that lag bug, I wouldn't mind if you were rewarded with some in-game gear I hope CCP will appreciate your commitment Good luck Quite the contrary I'd rather an internship xD I'd rather they give me nothing, honestly. The best reward would be fair, competitive matches in PC and in general. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 190	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:47:00 - [31] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Your Absolut End wrote: Cant really say changing ingame graphics help with it, tried low and high on both and for some reason i even have the feeling high works better than low Right, I've fiddled with the settings a bit and saw literally no change in graphical quality what-so-ever; thing it might just be a feature that hasn't been implemented. Dunno. Shotty GoBang used to run at 480p I think - and he did it consistently for quite a while. So he must've thought it made some sort of difference. I keep meaning to try this myself, but I keep forgetting. If I remember I'll let you know any observations. Spectral Clone wrote: Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Just one thing to make myself clear on settings: music and SFX have separate settings. Setting music to 0 does not set SFX to 0. You should still hear equipement sounds, gunshots, vehicles etc if music is set to 0. To mute ALL sounds in DUST client both setings must be set to 0. Im assuming setting SFX to volume "0" does not actually turn sounds off, it just scales sound with a factor 0 (hence no output signal). In this case, the sound effects are still "rendered" by the PS3 CPU, and if this is the cause of lag, it might not work to set the volume to 0 to fix it. But hey, always worth a try. I am curious about this too. Robert JD suggests otherwise, but isn't a case of how it's coded? I'd have thought it would be an optimisation in code to have it work that way. if volume is 0 then disable sound channel or something [edit] oh yeah and someone here suggested they run PC on different servers? We need to know if that's the case I would think. Because then there is merit in testing this in pubs or FW too, and the results may not affect PC, or vice-versa
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 385	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:47:00 - [32] - Quote The lag that occurs in PC is far and above what ever happens in FW or in Public matches. I think you need to isolate what it is about PC that creates a unique environment for lag to exist. For example, most PC matches have all 32 people having "hot mics". Something that slipped through the cracks. PTT actually fixed some of the lag problems before the current iteration of PC. For example, I have never had equipment lag in a pub match, regardless of the number of links/hives on the ground. It might contribute a small deal, one that eventually stacks up, but I dont think its the main culprit. Second, to test the "players from around the world" I suggest you try and get everyone to sync into a FW match. I think it could be possible this is a large contributing factor. It might have as much impact when going into a pub (one squad finding best server), but when you try to get the best server for 6 different squads, it probably proves difficult. Would be nice if CCP could designate a "bug team" and have "special contracts" for people to really test these things. Similar to how they did the squad cup. CCPlogibro was able to do some pretty neat things. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 190	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:51:00 - [33] - Quote Perhaps you also need to set your server to a specified region, instead of automatic, so you know which server you're playing on, and then you can ask ppl where in the world they are. At least then you can have a baseline to measure the non-network related issues.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 743	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:52:00 - [34] - Quote When we beta tested mag there was a flag, I believe it was the soft reset combo. It would mark the exact location of terrain glitches and such.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4041	Posted - 2013.12.06 14:57:00 - [35] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Dunno. Shotty GoBang used to run at 480p I think - and he did it consistently for quite a while. So he must've thought it made some sort of difference. I keep meaning to try this myself, but I keep forgetting. If I remember I'll let you know any observations. Was talking about the texture/effects settings in the Systems Operation tab. I run 480p on PC matches occasionally and it usually helps out a lot. IgniteableAura wrote: Would be nice if CCP could designate a "bug team" and have "special contracts" for people to really test these things. Similar to how they did the squad cup. CCPlogibro was able to do some pretty neat things. I had suggested this to the CPM in the past but at current, CCP has no plans to implement it. I had actually, quite a few months ago, started a channel for a testing team to make a community-based ISD-like bug hunting team but it fell through. I've since gained some notoriety and reputation, however. IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Perhaps you also need to set your server to a specified region, instead of automatic, so you know which server you're playing on, and then you can ask ppl where in the world they are. At least then you can have a baseline to measure the non-network related issues. Easier just to get in touch with groups like Nyain San (Japan) or The Southern Legion (Australia/New Zealand) forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 644	Posted - 2013.12.06 15:09:00 - [36] - Quote Heard you can do away with it by having players join the match before it actually starts, when you have to wait in the war barge, then everyone hard resets and link back up. It seems like a lot but I can't think of a reason why this person who told me would lie to me. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Traky78 What The French 414	Posted - 2013.12.06 15:12:00 - [37] - Quote We, at What The French, will gladly help you in anyway you want. We could easily make some fake matchs to test some things. Send me an Email IG man.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4042	Posted - 2013.12.06 15:14:00 - [38] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Heard you can do away with it by having players join the match before it actually starts, when you have to wait in the war barge, then everyone hard resets and link back up. It seems like a lot but I can't think of a reason why this person who told me would lie to me. I've heard similar reports from our allied corporations. Will have a squad test this out. Traky78 wrote: We, at What The French, will gladly help you in anyway you want. We could easily make some fake matchs to test some things. Send me an Email IG man. Right right, Cazaderon told me to get a hold of you. Thanks for reminding me, will definitely do that. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1447	Posted - 2013.12.06 15:39:00 - [39] - Quote Ask CCP for a salary!!! "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
IraqiFriendshipExplosive Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.12.06 15:55:00 - [40] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Good stuff. Does this mean CCP don't know what the issues are? And are there two issues? Framerate and lag? Are they different? Is the centre of your diagram "Lag" just a generic name for adverse gameplay events that slows something down? Not sure if you've got team / squad chat covered as a source of lag (in the form of network latency). And does the number of mercs with mics actually switched on affect this...and if so, does using push to talk reduce any lag? Also, I would assume the teams from around the world problem manifests itself only when you're not on your "home" server. The guys who are wouldn't perceive much change? PS. Congrats on passing your exams / coursework! Yes there is a FRAME RATE issue that is seperate from LAG issues. LAG is to be expected sometimes in online games (Though not as bad as I have seen it in the past in PC matches). However frame rate issues should have been fixed way before CCP ~Released~ this game.

IraqiFriendshipExplosive Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.12.06 15:59:00 - [41] - Quote Just to point out AEON, in a separate thread over in issues or what ever it is called, CCP responded saying they will look into these exact issue, but only after 1.7 is deployed. I assume it had never caught there attention until now and I find that somewhat disturbing. However I linked so many videos from at least a year ago onwards that they couldn't really ignore it any longer - I guess :S IF that issue gets fixed, that would go a long way to getting me back to playing. So I can only assume others feel the same way.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1202	Posted - 2013.12.06 16:09:00 - [42] - Quote We're having two tests today, filming it with various configurations. . __ `/.)\ spamming these = you have no opinion in anything Dust 514 related` \ __ /
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4211	Posted - 2013.12.24 09:02:00 - [43] - Quote [UPDATE: 12/24/2013] As my previous corp (ANONYMOUS) has fallen apart there's been some (major) delays in the actual Lag Hunt testing. I did, however, manage to re-shoot the original Equipment test with the PVR, so it's now in HD and far more effective. I'm currently waiting for it to render and once that it done I'll be posting up the video. What's different in this video? Was a bit more organized and we had a lot more equipment on the ground. This wasn't so much to test the equipment lag as much as a theory I had recently in that if I had a bunch of stuff running in the background on the PS3 it might have had some effect. The FPS drop is minimal but it is notable. There was some good recovery afterward however during the next test. A few things worth noting: - Texture warps seemed more prominent. I'll be making a post about this in the bug thread. - Small decrease in FPS when facing the cluster, same as before. - Increase in performance during second test - likely caused by switching to 480i. Requires further testing. - Disconnected both times when attempting to change sound profiles mid-game. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4211	Posted - 2013.12.24 22:05:00 - [44] - Quote So, on the theory that the sound of Nanohives/Drop-Uplinks is what is causing the framerate drops I have a bit of speculation and would like some further input from the community. In the video linked above, during the first test, I noticed that the sound of the nanohives was more or less synchronized and the audio waveforms in the video editor support that. I highly doubt that we coincidentally placed our nanohives down all at the exact same timing. The second part of the video (low resolution and all background applications turned off) however, the sound of the equipment was constant and overlapping, rather than synchronized. Curious as to whether or not this has something to do with it. Anyone more familiar with this that may know if it has an impact? forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 200	Posted - 2013.12.24 22:56:00 - [45] - Quote Hmm I only have speculation myself, I don't know much about how these things work. What might help rule some things out is if you tried placing your equipment always in the same spot, or at least, similar spots if you can't get that same spot on the map you happen to be in. For example, if there's, say, echo built into the game, that might explain the difference in the synchronisation sounds. When you're on that hill, does echo make it sound like it's out of synch, but when you were on the flat with not much in the way of solid obstacles around you, there is no echo? Which might mean that actually, equipment sound is always in synch? Long shot, but you can make what you want to of my wild theorising :) The other thought that crossed my mind was what happens if you walk far enough away for the sound of your equipment to disappear, then come back? Does that change the synch effect? I couldn't really tell from watching, but you typed something in the 2nd part of the vid in the low res test - no lag, right? So there was lag (frame rate drop) in the first one? I mean, what about wilder theories like, was your squad all on mics with PTT off? And if so, could it be something silly like feedback loops causing more network data? Like you know when you can hear someone with their mic on and no headphones - you can hear them shooting and the announcments etc. What if that sound from all the equipment was causing some form of feedback? I'm not aware of why the video res should affect sound directly. I tried to play on 576p or whatever option my PS3 (slim) gave me not long ago and found it unplayable, those weird all-caps fonts like you saw there and no text fitting on the screen properly. Anyway, I digress. Perhaps there is optimisation code that says, ahh this PS3 is only using this much RAM, or this much CPU, or we've (CCP) done our baselines and know that when you run the game at a lower res., we can optimise some of the effects. This, based on the theory that they could save some CPU / RAM by synchronising the sound of the same equipment, and keep track of just the one. No idea really. It might also be interesting to see you turn all the sound off before you step into a battle, so it doesn't crash, and see how performance is then. If it's related to sound, you could be onto something. Then if that works, you could try turning all the sounds on to try and get your comparison. Pity you can't change video res mid-game hey - that would be a smoking gun I suspect. Sorry it's all speculation, hopefully you get some more knowledgeable peeps here to help ;-) Good stuff by the way. Thanks you all you guys helping out there.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 831	Posted - 2013.12.26 19:24:00 - [46] - Quote If you need a district to test this **** on just contact me Aeon and we'll see if we can't get it sorted. ROFL PC Coordinator Fix framerate by 1.8 Pony
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4223	Posted - 2013.12.27 03:39:00 - [47] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: If you need a district to test this **** on just contact me Aeon and we'll see if we can't get it sorted. We'll see what happens. What The French offered this service up but stopped talking when I asked them about it O.o; forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 192	Posted - 2013.12.27 17:03:00 - [48] - Quote Aeon, I noticed in a few battles against ANON when you guys were using EM orbitals to destroy our equipment lag was greatly reduced. I'd like to see a test ran on that if at all possible. I have some friends with PFC districts that I'm sure would be more than willing to lend out their district for testing purposes. Message me in game if you need any assistance with any of the testing.
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 292	Posted - 2013.12.27 17:51:00 - [49] - Quote When testing, are you using scanners also? In the few PC matches I played, lag seem to spike when both scanning towards enemy equipment and while being scanned. Watch this video and notice the progression. Someone also suggested that the number of fittings I have, and cycling all of them between deaths may be a factor. http://youtu.be/4Ul_LHsLSCY I have a PVR, and more than willing to run test with you. Level 5 on all my equipment so I can deploy everything. YouTube 30D Recruiting
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1838	Posted - 2013.12.27 17:53:00 - [50] - Quote It can only be uplink spam. Every time I scanned massive hive nest my frame wrath would go down to zero. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

CrotchGrab 360 1169	Posted - 2013.12.27 18:51:00 - [51] - Quote There's not much you can do when running maps this large on a console with memory limitations.


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